Hey coach what about Cooper

[DeAnna]

Arians was just on the radio now with Bickley ... said the same thing - No, Cooper is not going to be inserted into the starting lineup. He may get a few snaps here and there, but that's it. Doesn't want to disrupt the chemistry of the o-line.

 

[TJ]

Trust the coaches know what's happening--unless it has to do with guys so bad they can't get on the field. Then it's okay to "withhold judgement."

If Cooper doesn't get on the field, doesn't that say something about his quality as a player, or is this another Ryan Williams situation where the coaches are sitting a potential Pro Bowler for reasons that are mysterious but fine.

This is where I disagree with coaching. Larsen and/or Fanaika get their butts whipped more than anyone on the line throughout games.

Recently, Arians was praising Cooper about his work in practice, so I'm not sure coaches are as down on him as fans want to think. While I understand chemistry and continuity are paramount, I also preach having your best 5 out there protecting the QB. I can't imagine the first guard picked in the 2013 draft doesn't have the ability to be an impact player, and I can't imagine that the coaches don't have a plan for getting him out on the field eventually. Plus, the interior is struggling to create any holes up the middle. For a guy like Ellington who can't force his way through big LBs, that's important.

This is not a Ryan Williams situation. Williams was a healthy scratch for every game last season. Cooper is active and ready to go at any given moment.

Fanaika becomes a UFA this offseason; and I doubt he gets re-signed based on his play this season. That will be Coop's opportunity to break the starting lineup.

 

[kerouac9]

This is where I disagree with coaching. Larsen and/or Fanaika get their butts whipped more than anyone on the line throughout games.

Recently, Arians was praising Cooper about his work in practice, so I'm not sure coaches are as down on him as fans want to think. While I understand chemistry and continuity are paramount, I also preach having your best 5 out there protecting the QB. I can't imagine the first guard picked in the 2013 draft doesn't have the ability to be an impact player, and I can't imagine that the coaches don't have a plan for getting him out on the field eventually. Plus, the interior is struggling to create any holes up the middle. For a guy like Ellington who can't force his way through big LBs, that's important.

This is not a Ryan Williams situation. Williams was a healthy scratch for every game last season. Cooper is active and ready to go at any given moment.

Fanaika becomes a UFA this offseason; and I doubt he gets re-signed based on his play this season. That will be Coop's opportunity to break the starting lineup.

1) Can you find a link to Arians praising Cooper's work in practice, or the OC's? I know that Keim has been doing it, but the most I've heard from the guys on the sidelines is that Coop isn't limping--as much.

2) Sounds like what people were saying about Earl Watford and Cooper last offseason.

3) Paul Fanaika plays a different position than Cooper.

 

[TJ]

1) Can you find a link to Arians praising Cooper's work in practice, or the OC's? I know that Keim has been doing it, but the most I've heard from the guys on the sidelines is that Coop isn't limping--as much.

2) Sounds like what people were saying about Earl Watford and Cooper last offseason.

3) Paul Fanaika plays a different position than Cooper.

1) Mike Jurecki made mention of it on the radio on a number of occasions.

2) Apples and oranges. Watford is simply not going to make an impact on this team, and Cooper won't have lingering injuries/conditioning issues to deal.

3) I'm well aware of that. Larsen would be moved to RG, as has been discussed. Thought this was common knowledge.

You honestly think they've completely written him off already with 2 1/2 years left on his deal? He has one more year on his contract before cutting him would be more cost efficient than keeping him (2016 $5.3 cap hit, $2.9 if released).

The only thing I can say is that Cooper > Fanaika and Larsen based on the eye test. If Cooper were playing any other position that didn't require as much continuity with the other players around, Coop would be out there, IMO.

 

[Chopper0080]

So, I'm not an insider, but I do know a little about a little. The belief in continuity for an offensive line is a really big one in some coaches. Some believe you can mix and match, others are adament that the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts. I don't believe this to the level that our coaches are saying they do, but I do know that some hold this to be very true. You don't tinker with it, and the only changes you make are those forced due to injuries.

It may be a year until we know the full story, but it isn't shocking to hear this coming from Goodwin and Arians who come with some very old school principles.

 

[kerouac9]

1) Mike Jurecki made mention of it on the radio on a number of occasions.

2) Apples and oranges. Watford is simply not going to make an impact on this team, and Cooper won't have lingering injuries/conditioning issues to deal.

3) I'm well aware of that. Larsen would be moved to RG, as has been discussed. Thought this was common knowledge.

You honestly think they've completely written him off already with 2 1/2 years left on his deal? He has one more year on his contract before cutting him would be more cost efficient than keeping him (2016 $5.3 cap hit, $2.9 if released).

The only thing I can say is that Cooper > Fanaika and Larsen based on the eye test. If Cooper were playing any other position that didn't require as much continuity with the other players around, Coop would be out there, IMO.

I don't know if they've written him off already. Maybe in 2013 Cooper was better than those guys based on the eye test, but based on this preseason, Cooper was struggling mightily against a lot of guys who are not getting on the field either. There isn't much opportunity for Cooper to show that he can play in practices at this time of year; you can't hit.

I guess my POV is pretty much what other people were saying: If Cooper were illustrating in limited practice reps what made him the 7th overall selection in the 2013 NFL draft, that talent would override the continuity question. That Cooper can't get on the field right now speaks pretty loudly, IMO.

Cooper's salary and draft position are a sunk cost right now. I'm not sure why the comparison between "Cooper's totally going to earn a LG job" and "Watford is totally going to earn the RG job" is "apples and oranges" except that you (now) think that Watford has no value (although I'm pretty sure that he's been as active on game day as Cooper has) while you think that Cooper is going to seize the starting job.

I expect that Cooper will be given every opportunity to earn that job next offseason, but I see very little evidence to suggest that he'd earn it any more than Kevin Minter managed to do.

Draft position seems to matter very little to Bruce Arians once the bullets start flying.

 

[juza76]

I don't know if they've written him off already. Maybe in 2013 Cooper was better than those guys based on the eye test, but based on this preseason, Cooper was struggling mightily against a lot of guys who are not getting on the field either. There isn't much opportunity for Cooper to show that he can play in practices at this time of year; you can't hit.

I guess my POV is pretty much what other people were saying: If Cooper were illustrating in limited practice reps what made him the 7th overall selection in the 2013 NFL draft, that talent would override the continuity question. That Cooper can't get on the field right now speaks pretty loudly, IMO.

Cooper's salary and draft position are a sunk cost right now. I'm not sure why the comparison between "Cooper's totally going to earn a LG job" and "Watford is totally going to earn the RG job" is "apples and oranges" except that you (now) think that Watford has no value (although I'm pretty sure that he's been as active on game day as Cooper has) while you think that Cooper is going to seize the starting job.

I expect that Cooper will be given every opportunity to earn that job next offseason, but I see very little evidence to suggest that he'd earn it any more than Kevin Minter managed to do.

Draft position seems to matter very little to Bruce Arians once the bullets start flying.

thats the reason he has a great score as head coach

 

[Japes]

Cooper looks like a bust so far but I hope for his sake he at least gets some run at G this year. Hes pretty good in Madden, got a 78 overall compared to Fanaika who is like 60 or something overall. Hmm

 

[Azlen]

At his press conference today Arians said that the best players were on the field and that Cooper wasn't there yet.

 

[Finito]

http://blog.azcardinals.com/2014/11/12/cooper-not-yet-one-of-the-best-players/

And there you have it straight from the horses mouth. Nothing to do with messing up chemistry or any of that B.A straight up he ain't there yet and if he was hell yeah I'd put him in

 

[Cheesebeef]

http://blog.azcardinals.com/2014/11/12/cooper-not-yet-one-of-the-best-players/

And there you have it straight from the horses mouth. Nothing to do with messing up chemistry or any of that B.A straight up he ain't there yet and if he was hell yeah I'd put him in

well, that's disconcerting.

 

[Austin Zonie]

well, that's disconcerting.

It really is. Starting to feel like this is more than a motivational push from BA.


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[LoyaltyisaCurse]

At his press conference today Arians said that the best players were on the field and that Cooper wasn't there yet.

http://blog.azcardinals.com/2014/11/12/cooper-not-yet-one-of-the-best-players/

And there you have it straight from the horses mouth. Nothing to do with messing up chemistry or any of that B.A straight up he ain't there yet and if he was hell yeah I'd put him in

BUH-BUH-BUH-BUST! He is going the way of Ryan Williams.

 

[Redneck Voodoo]

Awful small sample size with which to judge Cooper. He needs to get on the field first, which I think will happen next season.

I'm withholding judgement until then. If he doesn't get on the field next season, or does and poops his pants, he's done.

I agree, that would be unacceptable but he would be remembered around here for years to come. POOPER Cooper would be legendary.

Sorry K9, I know you don't like to give out nicknames, but this one would irresistible.

 

[BigRedRage]

1) Can you find a link to Arians praising Cooper's work in practice, or the OC's? I know that Keim has been doing it, but the most I've heard from the guys on the sidelines is that Coop isn't limping--as much.

2) Sounds like what people were saying about Earl Watford and Cooper last offseason.

3) Paul Fanaika plays a different position than Cooper.

I dont want to search out the link but a few weeks ago Goodwin and Arians both came out and said Cooper is looking much better.

 

[Chopper0080]

That pretty much says it all. Ugh. I give next training camp as Cooper's final shot. I am officially adding La'el Collins LSU as an OG to the round 1 list.

Side note...I might be out on college OGs be taken early vs college OTs being moved to OG.

 

[GatorAZ]

So let's go with another guard in the first round!

 

[juza76]

so with this first round contract that problem has almost guarantee money,he is like a dead weight

 

[kerouac9]

Let's not get crazy here, guys. He has value on that rookie contract. No trade value right now, but he's basically the cost of a mid-tier free agent like Daryn College. Can he play at that level? Apparently not right now, but he's going to be on the shelf with only him, Larsen, and Watford under contract in 2015.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

So let's go with another guard in the first round!

We whiffed on Leinart. Better not ever draft a QB in the first round again. Mighty short-sighted, don't ya think?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I dont want to search out the link but a few weeks ago Goodwin and Arians both came out and said Cooper is looking much better.

Pretty sure there was an article with Keim saying that he expected Cooper to play 'soon.'

 

[desertdawg]

Pretty sure there was an article with Keim saying that he expected Cooper to play 'soon.'

I thought Arians doesn't mess with te line mid-season unless it's a must?

 

[BigRedRage]

Pretty sure there was an article with Keim saying that he expected Cooper to play 'soon.'

there was and somewhere afterwards the coaches said something about him improving. Thats what k9 was asking for

 

[BigRedRage]

Goodwin has seen improvement from Cooper since then, and said the 24-year-old is playing with less hesitation after being psychologically affected by the injury early on.

"The biggest thing I thought going throughout this process with him coming off the injury is losing that limp," Goodwin said. "Going back to when we played San Diego, having to watch film from the last preseason game and seeing him play, he's cringing and stuff.

"I said, 'Hey man, you've got to get over it. It's up to God. If you're going to get hurt, you're going to get hurt. Let it go.' And he's done that and he's finally getting better."

http://www.azcentral.com/story/spor...art-of-season-for-arizona-cardinals/17029425/

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I thought Arians doesn't mess with te line mid-season unless it's a must?

I don't necessarily disagree with the decision. I just think it is way too soon to label him a bust.