How do you feel about Josh McCown as our QB?

[SECTION 11]

Let's get it all out there. One big group therapy session.

 

[BigRedMO]

Big gamble. If he is the real deal they will be competitive in a lot of games. If he is a bust they will be pathetic unless they can find a veteran who can play. By the time they figure that out, it may be too late to find a good veteran. If he is a bust, next season may be one of the ugliest in NFL history.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I think we are 5 seconds and one incomplete pass from having an entirely different QB.

I think he couldn't lead the offense in the end zone.

I think he holds the ball way too long and was sacked a rediculous number of times.

I think he bounces too many passes off his o-linemen's head.

I think he plays scared.

I don't think he plays very smart.

I don't think he has a future as our starting QB.

I do think he will be benched midway through the season.

 

[azdad1978]

He has potential but potential don't cut it in the NFL.

 

[jerryp]

I think ESPN NFL2k4 has is pass arm strength rated too low.

 

[SECTION 11]

Poll added. Weeeee!

 

[Chris_Sanders]

He has potential but potential don't cut it in the NFL.

Precisely. He has great athletic tools, I will gladly admit it. But I have seen nothing to indicate his ability to lead a team successfully down the field on a consistent basis.

He makes a ton of mental errors during a game and holds the ball way too long. Now if anyone can make a decent player out of McCown, it is Green...but until I see it...I am going to lay off the kool-aid.

 

[SECTION 11]

Those poll options kinda suck, huh?

 

[CaptTurbo]

I think we are 5 seconds and one incomplete pass from having an entirely different QB.

I think he couldn't lead the offense in the end zone.

I think he holds the ball way too long and was sacked a rediculous number of times.

I think he bounces too many passes off his o-linemen's head.

I think he plays scared.

I don't think he plays very smart.

I don't think he has a future as our starting QB.

I do think he will be benched midway through the season.

You got all that from a handful of experiences eh? Maybe I should hire you as my broker with your fortune telling expertise. lol

 

[azdad1978]

Those poll options kinda suck, huh?

Yes they do

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

a) he's obviously got physical talent up the wazoo.

b) i'm a big believer in dg's ability to raise qbs.

c) the fact that he had to take a major step down in collegiate competition to be successful scares me on two fronts: (1) he could succeed against the best; (2) he didn't have the mental make-up and intestinal fortitude to make it at a high level, so he tucked his tail and ran to compete against lesser talent. that, my friends, is scared.

 

[SunCityCarl]

OK S11 I think at least with the little we saw of Josh he is smack dab in the middle, though I wouldn't complain if he limited the bonehead plays!

 

[jstadvl]

Wasn't he

playing behind someone else in college? I'm not sure,but I think, there was another reason he went to a lower division.

 

[CardinalChris]

I think we are 5 seconds and one incomplete pass from having an entirely different QB.

I think he couldn't lead the offense in the end zone.

I think he holds the ball way too long and was sacked a rediculous number of times.

I think he bounces too many passes off his o-linemen's head.

I think he plays scared.

I don't think he plays very smart.

I don't think he has a future as our starting QB.

I do think he will be benched midway through the season.

Most of this describes the majority of young QBs in the NFL. The question is if he can improve on the things he did do well last year and if Denny can help him get there. The move makes me nervous too, but it is one we'd all better get used to!!!

 

[jstadvl]

P.s.

I think he's gonna pull a Jake. All the nay sayers will have tons of excuses why he made it happen, other than he was good.He's going to have a great year. When that O line gels, with these receivers, backs and TE, he'll be the "STUFF".
GIMME RED!

 

[Chris_Sanders]

You got all that from a handful of experiences eh? Maybe I should hire you as my broker with your fortune telling expertise. lol

Well I am basing it on his play on the field.

I would LOVE to be wrong here. If I am wrong, I get to storm the field again when we make the playoffs.

 

[Krangodnzr]

c) the fact that he had to take a major step down in collegiate competition to be successful scares me on two fronts: (1) he could succeed against the best; (2) he didn't have the mental make-up and intestinal fortitude to make it at a high level, so he tucked his tail and ran to compete against lesser talent. that, my friends, is scared.

That's a buncha' bull dunk.

Yeah he did step down to Sam Houston State, but Southern Methodist isn't exactly a really good program. Southern Methodist ran an option attack, and McCown wasn't well suited for that style of offense.

It had nothing to do with being "scared", it was more about wanting to win (which he did, as Sam Houston went deep into the playoffs, beating Preston Parson's NAU team) and wanting to play in an offense where he could throw the ball...

 

[Mr.Dibbs]

Big gamble. If he is the real deal they will be competitive in a lot of games. If he is a bust they will be pathetic unless they can find a veteran who can play. By the time they figure that out it may be too late to find a good veteran. If he is a bust, next season may be one of the ungliest in NFL history.

I agree, but by start of the preseason Green should know if he's not going to cut it. Thankfully there are a lot of vet QBs floating around this year.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

eh, the poll options are ok.

Josh dosen't strike me as the Elway, Vick or Farve type, that can carry a team on his shoulders. But then neither do Tom Brady or Jake Delahome.

McCown will need help from his teamates on offense and defense.

Both of those sources of help are questionable at this point. Yeah, our WR corp is potentially great, but Fitz hasn't play a down, and BJ has yet to step up. Our oline might be better, but, it might not. RB is definitely a ?

And we all know the D is a question mark.

Josh might develop into a superstar. He's got the physical tools, he seems reasonably intelligent, and DG can coach him up. But I can't tell you McCown is going it make the Pro bowl.

I DO know that I'm cool with giving him a shot this year.

how many days till the first preseason game for goodness sakes? IM DYIN' over here!

 

[az jam]

The key is getting the offensive line to gel as jstadvl stated. The talent is there (OL) and Denny knows it. I really think that the Cards will have a very explosive offense this year. The defense will improve but need another year of free agents, draft picks and experience. IMO McCown will have 25 td passes with perhaps 12 -16 ints. and 3,000 yds. He may have more interceptions as young qbs need the experience to read defenses and that takes time.

 

[Russ Smith]

playing behind someone else in college? I'm not sure,but I think, there was another reason he went to a lower division.

Nope. McCown reportedly said the coach was misusing him wanting to install a sort of option offense. Now Josh can run of course but he felt that offense was the wrong one to run if you want to impress NFL scouts, so he transferred.

I've said that all along, my biggest concern with josh is his capacity to handle the mental part of the game. i'm not even suggesting he's dumb, I'm suggesting that a QB simply can't afford to have a problem with being too nervous and needing time to calm down. So far everyone is saying he's a different guy now the job is his, I hope that's true.

If you look at his college numbers, he did nothing to persuade his coach to change his plans on offense. He didn't play well enough at SMU to make me convinced. When we hired DG my opinion changed because I believe DG knows QB's.

In the end it's a calculated risk, he has all the physical tools needed, he just needs experience, calm, and to have the game slow down for him. There were numerous situations last year where he could be accused of panicking, but they DID diminish as the year went on. Too early to write off but I have to admit I was stunned when Blake was released.

 

[Russ Smith]

That's a buncha' bull dunk.

Yeah he did step down to Sam Houston State, but Southern Methodist isn't exactly a really good program. Southern Methodist ran an option attack, and McCown wasn't well suited for that style of offense.

It had nothing to do with being "scared", it was more about wanting to win (which he did, as Sam Houston went deep into the playoffs, beating Preston Parson's NAU team) and wanting to play in an offense where he could throw the ball...

Well I agree that he didn't get to throw the ball, and that it hurt his pro chances, but McCown is an athlete and the option definitely DOES fit that.

And if he was so good, why didn't SMU's coach change the offense?

I am more than willing to give him time, DG has proven he knows QB's, but at the college level Josh had only one good year and that was after dropping down in competition, his last year was very comparable to parsons at the same level, he's just a much better athlete than Preston. He has the tools but he had the tools at SMU also and yet the coach decided not to throw the ball around.

 

[vikesfan]

Well I agree that he didn't get to throw the ball, and that it hurt his pro chances, but McCown is an athlete and the option definitely DOES fit that.

And if he was so good, why didn't SMU's coach change the offense?

I am more than willing to give him time, DG has proven he knows QB's, but at the college level Josh had only one good year and that was after dropping down in competition, his last year was very comparable to parsons at the same level, he's just a much better athlete than Preston. He has the tools but he had the tools at SMU also and yet the coach decided not to throw the ball around.

Josh knew he would not make it in the NFL as a running type QB. College coaches do not change their offensive schemes for 1 player. That's nuts.

 

[vikesfan]

1. This guy was the 3rd QB in his draft class iirc.

2. This guy went in the 3rd round.

3. This guy has physical tools and leadership skills.

4. This guys has been broken down on film by Denny Green.

5. Jake gets 5 years and Josh gets 3 games?

6. Lots of QBs looked horrid starting out like Bradshaw. Look at some terrible numbers put up by Elway Peyton etc in year one. This kid has played essentially in 3 games.

7. Saying he won't make it now is not backed up with anything more then your gut feeling. You cannot judge him off 3 games.

8. It is just insulting and patronizing to say DG picked him because of 1 pass completion.

 

[seesred]

He is going to be great, fantastic, unbeilivable, the cats meow, the top of the group, the ultimate QB, the next coming of Johnny U, the first QB in space, the first to run and tyhrow for 2,000 yards, the only QB to catch his own pass for a TD. I Believe!

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Can't be serious nobody knows how he is going to be, so he might as well be guessed as great!