How good is Booker?

[pokerface]

Oh no. You are walking it back after saying, "I'm not thinking about a tank beyond this season."

Well if the suns keep dropping games in massive amounts what am I supposed to root for? It's not on me dawg...If you think I like the suns losing every season then you are way off base. I want them to bottom out and turn the corner as much as anyone. But when they eventually turn the corner I want them to have tools at their disposal. I don't want them to improve just enough to attain first round playoffs exits over and over. I want sustained improvement. Make the playoffs...then make the second round...etc etc.

 

[SirStefan32]

You'd be happy tanking ten years in a row.

 

[pokerface]

You'd be happy tanking ten years in a row.

I will say this...If the suns actually tanked the last seven years instead of their half baked retooling efforts we might be much further along right now. But then again maybe not because we have gotten high picks in the last five years starting with Len. Plus Booker wasn't a high pick and we scored with him.

 

[JS22]

I want the players to play good and develop. That doesn't always translate to wins. Other teams are improving too.

But it may lead to wins. Which is fine. (And good!) Plus you gotta keep Booker happy. Wins will do that.

 

[BC867]

I only said couple drafts because Chandler is here this season and next season.

Thank you, Mainstreet. I just got home and was about to search for the post where pokerface referred to tanking for the next couple of seasons. You've saved me a lot of time.

Pokerface, please! You've been denying that you said it, even after I highlighted your post. And now you're rationalizing it -- "I only said couple drafts..."

You have yet to open your eyes to the realization that Suns fans have seen enough losing. Your sarcastic posts such as “it sure would be great if we lost tonight” have gone too far. I am not one for attacking posters personally but, when I read that, I thought -- doesn't that make you a troll?

Your constant, repetitive, negative posts are demoralizing and depressing. Worst of all, even if you got your wish and, years from now, this unbalanced young team becomes competitive, there is no doubt that Booker would not waste his career waiting for it. He is already giving those vibes.

There are other ways to take the next step, then the next step. Drafting is one of them. But a skilled Front Office (or fanbase) doesn't put all of its eggs in one basket and hope for years of constant losing.
You don't have to believe that, of course. But you've more than stated your point.

This thread is entitled, "How good is Booker?" I am asking you to confine your tank comments to a Tank thread so we can decide if we want to be depressed by reading it or not. Really!

 

[pokerface]

But it may lead to wins. Which is fine. (And good!) Plus you gotta keep Booker happy. Wins will do that.

Yeah Booker needs to be happy in general but not necessarily this season.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Thank you, Mainstreet. I just got home and was about to search for the post where pokerface referred to tanking for the next couple of seasons. You've saved me a lot of time.

Pokerface, please! You've been denying that you said it, even after I highlighted your post. And now you're rationalizing it -- "I only said couple drafts..."

You have yet to open your eyes to the realization that Suns fans have seen enough losing. Your sarcastic posts such as “it sure would be great if we lost tonight” have gone too far. I am not one for attacking posters personally but, when I read that, I thought -- doesn't that make you a troll?

Your constant, repetitive, negative posts are demoralizing and depressing. Worst of all, even if you got your wish and, years from now, this unbalanced young team becomes competitive, there is no doubt that Booker would not waste his career waiting for it. He is already giving those vibes.

There are other ways to take the next step, then the next step. Drafting is one of them. But a skilled Front Office (or fanbase) doesn't put all of its eggs in one basket and hope for years of constant losing.
You don't have to believe that, of course. But you've more than stated your point.

This thread is entitled, "How good is Booker?" I am asking you to confine your tank comments to a Tank thread so we can decide if we want to be depressed by reading it or not. Really!

This from the guy who REPEATEDLY ******* and complains about not having a C in almost EVERY POST and accuses Colangelo of being a circus promoter instead of caring about winning.

As long as he’s not attacking other posters, I see no reason Poker can’t say whatever he wants, in whatever thread no matter what garbage you think it is. Others put up with your repeated trashing of the team in the present and future. Learn to do the same and quit this blatant hypocrisy. Really!

 

[pokerface]

You have yet to open your eyes to the realization that Suns fans have seen enough losing. Your sarcastic posts such as “it sure would be great if we lost tonight” have gone too far. I am not one for attacking posters personally but, when I read that, I thought -- doesn't that make you a troll?

That was put on the tank thread. The same thread you and your comrades invaded to put us down for wanting a high draft pick. Looked like trolling to me..by you guys!

 

[Raze]

Steph's a next-level passer that Booker will never be. He can get better passing, but Steph's got that natural eye-popping ability that only comes around a couple times per generation.

Steph is not a great passer. Flashy, yes. Great, no.

Currently he's 22rd on the PG list this season for A/TO ratio. His career averages are 6.8 apg to 3.2 topg. At 2.16 a/to ratio, he's right behind Jason Terry (2.17). That's hardly next-level or eye-popping or even "couple times per generation" talent when it comes to passing.

I'm not saying that Booker will be a better passer than Steph anyway. I wasn't even bringing up passing. I was just saying that Booker could be a similar offensive weapon that Steph can if he's given the same talent around him on the defensive end.

 

[GatorAZ]

People are underrating Curry's early years. He was an elite shooter from day 1 in the league.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Thank you, Mainstreet. I just got home and was about to search for the post where pokerface referred to tanking for the next couple of seasons. You've saved me a lot of time.

Pokerface, please! You've been denying that you said it, even after I highlighted your post. And now you're rationalizing it -- "I only said couple drafts..."

You have yet to open your eyes to the realization that Suns fans have seen enough losing. Your sarcastic posts such as “it sure would be great if we lost tonight” have gone too far. I am not one for attacking posters personally but, when I read that, I thought -- doesn't that make you a troll?

Your constant, repetitive, negative posts are demoralizing and depressing. Worst of all, even if you got your wish and, years from now, this unbalanced young team becomes competitive, there is no doubt that Booker would not waste his career waiting for it. He is already giving those vibes.

There are other ways to take the next step, then the next step. Drafting is one of them. But a skilled Front Office (or fanbase) doesn't put all of its eggs in one basket and hope for years of constant losing.
You don't have to believe that, of course. But you've more than stated your point.

This thread is entitled, "How good is Booker?" I am asking you to confine your tank comments to a Tank thread so we can decide if we want to be depressed by reading it or not. Really!

You know what’s demoralizing? Posters like you taking out your frustrations over the suns on guys who just speak their opinions in a public forum. Pokerface has ZERO impact on whether the suns do well, suck, or tank. They are just hisnopinion on how he believes the suns can best improve. Your comments, on the other hand, attack him personally and criticize him because you don’t agree with him. What’s more demoralizing?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

.l

This thread is entitled, "How good is Booker?" I am asking you to confine your tank comments to a Tank thread so we can decide if we want to be depressed by reading it or not. Really!

You ask him to do this but then people attack him in the tank thread. Dude can’t speak his mind? Cmon. Lame. And any of us should be able to speak about anything suns related in a suns forum.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

This from the guy who REPEATEDLY ******* and complains about not having a C in almost EVERY POST and accuses Colangelo of being a circus promoter instead of caring about winning.

As long as he’s not attacking other posters, I see no reason Poker can’t say whatever he wants, in whatever thread no matter what garbage you think it is. Others put up with your repeated trashing of the team in the present and future. Learn to do the same and quit this blatant hypocrisy. Really!

Amen

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Steph is not a great passer. Flashy, yes. Great, no.

Currently he's 22rd on the PG list this season for A/TO ratio. His career averages are 6.8 apg to 3.2 topg. At 2.16 a/to ratio, he's right behind Jason Terry (2.17). That's hardly next-level or eye-popping or even "couple times per generation" talent when it comes to passing.

I'm not saying that Booker will be a better passer than Steph anyway. I wasn't even bringing up passing. I was just saying that Booker could be a similar offensive weapon that Steph can if he's given the same talent around him on the defensive end.

I think what steph has that Booker lacks is a physical trait/skill that puts pressure on the defense. I believe it’s his ballhandling. He’s got the ball on a string. It compromises the d. Booker is a Mich better ball handler than any of us expected, but he’s no wizard with the ball the way Steph is. That’s not a knock on Booker. Rather it’s why steph was an mvp and I don’t think Booker will ever reach near that level.

 

[SirStefan32]

I think what steph has that Booker lacks is a physical trait/skill that puts pressure on the defense. I believe it’s his ballhandling. He’s got the ball on a string. It compromises the d. Booker is a Mich better ball handler than any of us expected, but he’s no wizard with the ball the way Steph is. That’s not a knock on Booker. Rather it’s why steph was an mvp and I don’t think Booker will ever reach near that level.

Fair enough, but Booker has qualities that Curry will never have- size. Also, keep in mind that Booker has spent his career playing with Warren, a bunch of D-league talent, a has-been or two, and ball-stopping point guards. I think people will be surprised how good Booker is once he has a real point guard and some actual NBA-level talent playing with him.

 

[JCSunsfan]

People are underrating Curry's early years. He was an elite shooter from day 1 in the league.

Steph Curry was older than Booker is now on day 1. Booker's year this year or next would compare with Curry's first year.

 

[Mainstreet]

People are underrating Curry's early years. He was an elite shooter from day 1 in the league.

Curry changed the game for sure. The Suns were disappointed that the Amare trade didn't happen.

I keep wanting to go back and sweeten that deal.

 

[Ronin]

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[ArizonaSportsFan]

Gah - I hate tweets in these threads. My work site (and many others I would gather) bans all social media...

Definitely NOT throwing shade on you, Ronin.

 

[Ronin]

Gah - I hate tweets in these threads. My work site (and many others I would gather) bans all social media...

Definitely NOT throwing shade on you, Ronin.

Here you go.

Only 5 players are averaging at least 22 points, 4 rebounds, 4 assists while shooting 35% from three:

Devin Booker
LeBron James
James Harden
Kevin Durant
Steph Curry

 

[BC867]

Gah - I hate tweets in these threads. My work site (and many others I would gather) bans all social media...

My career was in upper middle management, so my reaction to your post is . . . didja ever consider that a work site is meant for work rather than play?

Before I retired, I worked in a couple of call centers and saw co-workers playing online when they were getting paid to work. Company equipment, company time. And, ultimately, extra costs for consumers.

'Nothing personal, ASF. Just a reaction to your post.

 

[SirStefan32]

As a current upper-middle management in a call center, I am fine with my employees and their employees being online as long as it's not affecting their performance. If folks are doing their jobs, I don't care if they look at social media or sports sites. Happy employees will take care of your customers. Silly rules have negative effect on employees.

 

[ArizonaSportsFan]

My career was in upper middle management, so my reaction to your post is . . . didja ever consider that a work site is meant for work rather than play?

Before I retired, I worked in a couple of call centers and saw co-workers playing online when they were getting paid to work. Company equipment, company time. And, ultimately, extra costs for consumers.

'Nothing personal, ASF. Just a reaction to your post.

I completely understand your point of view. At the same time, I was posting during lunch at my desk...

 

[ArizonaSportsFan]

As a current upper-middle management in a call center, I am fine with my employees and their employees being online as long as it's not affecting their performance. If folks are doing their jobs, I don't care if they look at social media or sports sites. Happy employees will take care of your customers. Silly rules have negative effect on employees.

I can see both sides. But we were generally happier as a large multi-national company without many of these rules before being purchased by a larger multi-national company with many more restrictions. I just don't think that they do as they are intended. As software developers, we are online a lot. So, if people want to be bad employees, they certainly can be. And they will be weeded out. Anyways, back to Booker.

I hope he gets this toe thing figured out.

 

[Mainstreet]

Gah - I hate tweets in these threads. My work site (and many others I would gather) bans all social media...

Definitely NOT throwing shade on you, Ronin.

I couldn't get my browser to load tweets for the longest time until I found a way to disable it so I feel the pain. This is one of the reasons I still copy and paste tweets.