How good is Booker?

[JCSunsfan]

Dirk is 7'1 and has never been a good shot blocker. It wasn't until his 3rd year that he averaged more than 1 a game.

TO BE CLEAR I'M NOT SAYING BENDER IS LIKE DIRK, ONLY THAT BEING 7+ FEET TALL DOESN'T MAKE ANYONE A GOOD SHOT BLOCKER.

This is hilarious. You have to post ridiculous disclaimers to avoid the “Bender is absolutely NOTHING like Dirk” indignant posts.

Well. Thank you for being clear.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

I would have agreed with you last year. This year, he has regressed significantly. I am not overly excited about Bender, but he's showing me some stuff- better shooting, fewer mistakes, better defense. Len (though gone from Phoenix after this year) is doing a better job rebounding and scoring. With Chriss, there is nothing that he is doing better than last year. Same applies to Ulis.

To be clear, I definitely think Chriss has regressed this year. I'm just pointing out that he was on a swift upward trajectory prior to this year, which gives me hope that this season has been a temporary setback rather than a career killer.

 

[Cheesebeef]

This is hilarious. You have to post ridiculous disclaimers to avoid the “Bender is absolutely NOTHING like Dirk” indignant posts.

Well. Thank you for being clear.

Indignant posts... lol.

If you don’t want to make comparisons to players, don’t bring those players names up in the conversation. It’s pretty simple.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Indignant posts... lol.

If you don’t want to make comparisons to players, don’t bring those players names up in the conversation. It’s pretty simple.

Cmon Cheese. Almost every comparison is about a particular aspect of a players game, style, size etc. Every comparison can be ripped by your standards. It’s just being argumentative rather than trying to see the point.

 

[Haunting]

I would have agreed with you last year. This year, he has regressed significantly. I am not overly excited about Bender, but he's showing me some stuff- better shooting, fewer mistakes, better defense. Len (though gone from Phoenix after this year) is doing a better job rebounding and scoring. With Chriss, there is nothing that he is doing better than last year. Same applies to Ulis.

I wonder if you backed up any of your opinions ever with actual facts. You are actively spreading misinformation and blatant lies.

Chriss has improved alot of his game. The thing that regressed is his shooting efficiency which can largely be blamed on downgrading from Bledsoe to the worst PG rotation in the NBA.

Chriss rebound rate, assist rate and block rates are all up and he leads the team in defensive rating and defensive box plus minus.

Our best lineup

But I give up, you are not going to understand that.


Booker + Chriss 2man lineup has a net rating of -0.4

Booker + Bender 2man lineup has a net rating of -15.1

https://stats.nba.com/lineups/advan...ET_RATING&dir=1&CF=MIN*GE*200&GroupQuantity=2

 

[Haunting]

Ironic that I'm with you on Bender, but Chriss--he needs significant improvement (last game notwithstanding) to change my mind about him.

Jesus, help me

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I guess you must talk about recent play. Afterall Bender is averaging 5.2ppg 2.3rpg on 32.4%FG in 21mpg in December.

 

[elindholm]

I watched the entire Grizzlies game. Chriss's defensive activity was excellent. He constantly made himself available as an interior help defender with good timing and good positioning. That's part of the reason he got so many rebounds (12 of his 13 were on the defensive end). Yes, he was confused on offense and made some costly turnovers, but he commanded enough attention to open up opportunities for his teammates.

Bender's pass on the last play was outstanding, and he made one three-pointer (against four misses), but otherwise he contributed nothing offensively, and he was a severe liability on defense. In this one game, Chriss outplayed Bender by a large margin. I won't make any broader comparisons about what they've done this season or whose potential is higher, but in this one game, it was Chriss in a landslide.

 

[Ronin]

 

[elindholm]

Ha! Yes, I didn't even realize what thread I was posting in. Sorry about that.

 

[Chaplin]

Jesus, help me

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I guess you must talk about recent play. Afterall Bender is averaging 5.2ppg 2.3rpg on 32.4%FG in 21mpg in December.

What you don't get (outside of spewing stats without watching games), is that this isn't an outright comparison of Bender to Chriss. It is a FACT that even marginally, Bender has improved over last season. It is ALSO A FACT that Chriss has significantly regressed this year. That is a big deal, regardless of what your stats tell you. Bender is trending upward, however slowly, but Chriss is trending downward at an alarming rate. You and Eric can quote the last game all you want, but until he consistently has that performance game in and game out, it is simply an anomaly, and should be treated as such.

 

[Haunting]

What you don't get (outside of spewing stats without watching games), is that this isn't an outright comparison of Bender to Chriss. It is a FACT that even marginally, Bender has improved over last season. It is ALSO A FACT that Chriss has significantly regressed this year. That is a big deal, regardless of what your stats tell you. Bender is trending upward, however slowly, but Chriss is trending downward at an alarming rate. You and Eric can quote the last game all you want, but until he consistently has that performance game in and game out, it is simply an anomaly, and should be treated as such.

Except it is not. But you can't argue based on facts because they disprove your opinion.

What is FACT is that you never provide any evidence for your claims. Go and look up what FACT means, it certainly does not mean Chaplin's opinion.

Bender has gotten significantly worse as a rebounder. His block rate is down and his steal rate is also down.

Bender is trending upward! LOL - Bender is averaging 5ppg 2rpg on 32%FG in December. His offensive rating is under 90 in December.
Chriss played less minutes than Bender in December and averaged 6.3 4.8 on 43%FG. More than doubled his rebounding production in less minutes.

Season    Age  Tm  Lg Pos  G   MP PER  TS% 3PAr  FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV%  USG%  OWS DWS   WS   WS/48 OBPM DBPM  BPM VORP
2016-17    19 PHO NBA  PF 43  574 5.3 .440 .627 .068  4.2 15.6  9.7  5.5  0.8  3.1 16.2  14.4 -0.7 0.3 -0.3  -0.029 -4.0 -0.3 -4.3 -0.3
2017-18    20 PHO NBA  PF 36  762 6.7 .501 .681 .108  1.8 14.3  8.0  5.9  0.6  2.2 14.6  12.5 -0.2 0.3  0.1    .005 -2.6 -0.4 -3.0 -0.2
Career                NBA 79 1336 6.1 .473 .656 .090  2.8 14.8  8.7  5.7  0.7  2.6 15.3  13.3 -0.9 0.6 -0.3  -0.010 -3.2 -0.3 -3.6 -0.5

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Generated 12/28/2017.

The only things Bender notably improved (SO FAR) are his shooting percentage which was hard not to since he was tied for dead last last year and his PER which is still barely half of the league average and last year was among the worst 60 in NBA history for a player with at least X minutes.

And why do I write so far? Because Bender's shooting percentages are plummeting like a rock already. For December he is back down to 46%TS approaching his his historically bad 44% mark from last year.

 

[Chaplin]

Except it is not. But you can't argue based on facts because they disprove your opinion.

What is FACT is that you never provide any evidence for your claims. Go and look up what FACT means, it certainly does not mean Chaplin's opinion.

Bender has gotten significantly worse as a rebounder. His block rate is down and his steal rate is also down.

Bender is trending upward! LOL - Bender is averaging 5ppg 2rpg on 32%FG in December. His offensive rating is under 90 in December.
Chriss played less minutes than Bender in December and averaged 6.3 4.8 on 43%FG. More than doubled his rebounding production in less minutes.

Season    Age  Tm  Lg Pos  G   MP PER  TS% 3PAr  FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV%  USG%  OWS DWS   WS   WS/48 OBPM DBPM  BPM VORP
2016-17    19 PHO NBA  PF 43  574 5.3 .440 .627 .068  4.2 15.6  9.7  5.5  0.8  3.1 16.2  14.4 -0.7 0.3 -0.3  -0.029 -4.0 -0.3 -4.3 -0.3
2017-18    20 PHO NBA  PF 36  762 6.7 .501 .681 .108  1.8 14.3  8.0  5.9  0.6  2.2 14.6  12.5 -0.2 0.3  0.1    .005 -2.6 -0.4 -3.0 -0.2
Career                NBA 79 1336 6.1 .473 .656 .090  2.8 14.8  8.7  5.7  0.7  2.6 15.3  13.3 -0.9 0.6 -0.3  -0.010 -3.2 -0.3 -3.6 -0.5

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Generated 12/28/2017.

The only things Bender notably improved (SO FAR) are his shooting percentage which was hard not to since he was tied for dead last last year and his PER which is still barely half of the league average and last year was among the worst 60 in NBA history for a player with at least X minutes.

And why do I write so far? Because Bender's shooting percentages are plummeting like a rock already. For December he is back down to 46%TS approaching his his historically bad 44% mark from last year.

You STILL haven't refuted anything about actually watching games. You love your stats, but you don't watch basketball. And you expect us to take you like you're some John Hollinger NBA expert?

Keep regurgitating stats all you want. Maybe you should find another board that will worship you, since that is exactly what you crave.

 

[Haunting]

You STILL haven't refuted anything about actually watching games. You love your stats, but you don't watch basketball. And you expect us to take you like you're some John Hollinger NBA expert?

Keep regurgitating stats all you want. Maybe you should find another board that will worship you, since that is exactly what you crave.

Keep being ignorant. You are basically the basketball fan version of a tea party voter. Talking to you about basketball is like talking to "Dude" about politics. When confronted with facts/stats you resort to avoiding any actual valid argument.

You have no clue how much basketball I watch. But I know one thing you have zero understanding of what you are watching and don't even bother to validate your own claims.

 

[Chaplin]

Keep being ignorant. You are basically the basketball fan version of a tea party voter. Talking to you about basketball is like talking to "Dude" about politics. When confronted with facts/stats you resort to avoiding any actual valid argument.

You have no clue how much basketball I watch. But I know one thing you have zero understanding of what you are watching and don't even bother to validate your own claims.

Typical slinslin quote, and what got you banned in the first place. I have no respect for people like you.

 

[Haunting]

Typical slinslin quote, and what got you banned in the first place. I have no respect for people like you.

You are so funny man.

You talk about respect but you contribute nothing to an argument except your opinion and then get defensive when confronted with actual facts that invalidate your opinions.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Typical slinslin quote, and what got you banned in the first place. I have no respect for people like you.

I am not convinced it is Slin yet (though the name Haunting like a ghost of a former poster does make me wonder).

Anyway, please stop with the attacks Haunting.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I am not convinced it is Slin yet (though the name Haunting like a ghost of a former poster does make me wonder).

Anyway, please stop with the attacks Haunting.

Has he denied it?

 

[JCSunsfan]

You are so funny man.

You talk about respect but you contribute nothing to an argument except your opinion and then get defensive when confronted with actual facts that invalidate your opinions.

And you still have not said how much actual basketball you watch.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

I am not convinced it is Slin yet (though the name Haunting like a ghost of a former poster does make me wonder).

Anyway, please stop with the attacks Haunting.

If that's not Slin, he is a master impressionist.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Has he denied it?

That’s what convinced me, he hasn’t. Not once.

 

[Dude]

I am not convinced it is Slin yet (though the name Haunting like a ghost of a former poster does make me wonder).

Anyway, please stop with the attacks Haunting.

That guy is in now in P&R throwing mud. Haunting???

I'm here to learn about Booker.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

That guy is in now in P&R throwing mud. Haunting???

I'm here to learn about Booker.

Booker is a beast

 

[Cheesebeef]

I am not convinced it is Slin yet (though the name Haunting like a ghost of a former poster does make me wonder).

Anyway, please stop with the attacks Haunting.

I think @JCSunsfan totally busted him in another thread where Slaunting accidentally outed himself posting something that said: “I said over and over again last year...” in regards to an old Slin argument about him being right.

I know you want to give people the benefit of the doubt, but come on Chris. This is pretty obvious.

 

[SirStefan32]

And he repeated the same argument he used when he claimed Magic was not the point guard. It's Slin, there is no question about it.

 

[Mainstreet]

The hilarity of a problem poster in P&R picking on Haunting is overwhelming.