I am not sure I have the heart to show up for the Pittsburgh game...

[Cheesebeef]

Bro cheese I don't really care what you think people are holding on to. You can be as miserable as you want.

I'm not miserable... i just see it differently than you do. but thanks for the pretty unnecessary slam but that should be expected from you so i'm not surprised.

That's not me so you have your misguided opinions and I will have my own misguided ones as well. You don have to be the champion of gloom and it doesn't make anybody else ignorant because they fail to see things the way you do.

huh? just saying I think people perpetuate this myth that the Cardinals always win this type of game when I just don't believe it be true, then showed my reasons why. You don't have to take it so personal. jeez.

But since you made a misguided attempt to follow my post I'll go over the actual facts to support my point:

2010: Saints, Dallas

i said the Saints game was a ridiculous one. But Dallas? Dallas was 6-10 last year and playing their third string QB. That's a big surprise win?

2009: Minnesota
2008: Dallas
2007: Pittsburgh

All of these games won were won by GOOD teams. Good teams win tough ball-games. Again, this current team is soooooooo far removed from being a good team so I don't really see how the above games figure into shocking wins. What was our record when we beat Minnesota? We were a 7-5 ball club, who had won 3 of our last 4 and Wiz had already established the dome as a tough place to play. Against Dallas in 2008, we were 3-2 and coming off our biggest win of the season against the Bills. And again, the Pittsburg game was a solid team that beat them.

All three of Wiz's first three teams were actually GOOD ball-clubs. Those weren't miracle wins by one of the worst teams in the league, which is what we are now.

2006: Seattle

Forgot about that game. That was the one game in DG's time that we actually had a surprise W. but even that game... that was a really mediocre 9-7 Seattle team, it's last gasp. But, they were coming off a Super Bowl at the time and we were starting a rookie QB.

None of those teams were teams we should have beat and that was at the time of the game, not with the benefit of hindsight like you currently have.

I'm sorry, but I just don't buy this. Like I said, those were good teams playing good teams. You're going to win some of those and they might be a surprise, but they were still wins by GOOD teams. This team just isn't even close to being a good team... and I'm still kinda chuckling at Dallas with their third string QB last year being a huge shock.

Alright I'm leaving again. Don't have time to wallow in my own self pity and be made to feel like I'm an idiot because I am not looking to fire any coaches or cut any players. Yet.

didn't mean to make you feel like an idiot. just pointing out a difference of opinion. sorry if i made you feel that way.

funny though that you completely ignored the fact that THIS team just lost one of these games to the Giants, kinda showing that they don't do what you believe previous Cardinals teams do.

also, most of the wins above came when the Cardinals were actually not only good teams, but playing pretty good football. Prior to the Vikings game we had just won 3 of 4 and finally seemed to hit our stride, against Dallas we had just destroyed the previously unbeaten Bills by a score of 41-17 and against the Steelers, we were playing good football and Warner had just gotten his first shot, really testing the Ravens on the road the prior week. All that is a WORLD of difference from a team that's lost 4 in a row and is coming off getting down 28-0 in the first quarter against one of the most pathetic teams in the league.

 

[Cheesebeef]

However, in 2009 a game "the Cards were not supposed to win" had a totally different meaning than in 2000 or 2002 or 2003 or 2010.

THIS.

i don't get how people don't see the difference in what Duck has just posted.

 

[Mulli]

Wonderful. A squabble about what the phrase "not supposed to win" means.

Where is Nidan to start a new thread about this.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Wonderful. A squabble about what the phrase "not supposed to win" means.

Where is Nidan to start a new thread about this.

honest question Mulli... do you not see a difference between miracle type wins by horrible cardinals teams v. surprising wins by good cardinals teams?

 

[Mulli]

honest question Mulli... do you not see a difference between miracle type wins by horrible cardinals teams v. surprising wins by good cardinals teams?

I see a difference, but that is not what AF posted. He posted "should not have beat"

 

[conraddobler]

Meh, any fan that has survived the Mac years will have no problem getting excited about Cardinal football ever again IMO.

I have a hunch that the Bye week means we'll come out swinging with some stuff fixed and make much more of a game of this then everyone thinks we will.

Long term this dosen't mean we've fixed anything it's just exactly what I expect to happen.

Whiz knows the Steelers, he wants to beat them, it's in our house, we have two weeks to get ready for this game, it has all the hallmarks of an out of the blue win.

Then, things will implode again.

That's my take on it.

 

[Mulli]

I also am of the opinion that even when the Cards "had talent" games like Philly and NE in 2008 (and countless times the Cards didn't show up to games), the Cards had games that they should not have won and didn't come close. So when they won when they "should not have won" it was pretty much on the same level as when they were/are horrible.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I see a difference, but that is not what AF posted. He posted "should not have beat"

yeah, but there's a difference between... ah forget. i guess it's easier to argue black and white points than to actually try to have nuanced discussion here.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I also am of the opinion that even when the Cards "had talent" games like Philly and NE in 2008 (and countless times the Cards didn't show up to games), the Cards had games that they should not have won and didn't come close. So when they won when they "should not have won" it was pretty much on the same level as when they were/are horrible.

that makes very little sense to me, but to each their own.

 

[Mulli]

yeah, but there's a difference between... ah forget. i guess it's easier to argue black and white points than to actually try to have nuanced discussion here.

I know what you are saying. I get it. I really do.

 

[Mulli]

that makes very little sense to me, but to each their own.

Was just kind of thinking out loud. Dangerous for anyone to try to decipher.

 

[Duckjake]

yeah, but there's a difference between... ah forget. i guess it's easier to argue black and white points than to actually try to have nuanced discussion here.

I'm with you cheese. I don't get how people+ can't get the difference between say the Patriots not supposed to win a game vs the Ravens in Baltimore and the Cardinals not supposed to beat Green Bay in 2003.

We all know why the Cards lost to Philly and NE and Minny in 2008. Like Dockett said when after scoring a TD CKW told him to act like he'd been there before "but coach, I've never been there before." Proof that the Cards were celebrating early? They beat both Carolina and Philly, teams that beat them in the regular season, in the playoffs.

 

[desertdawg]

I'm just gonna say it, Cheese kinda does get off on the Cards losing, I don't know why. Bad childhood, girls dissed him when he wasn't Mike Jones, I don't know. But he has the respect cards from a lot of folks in here so I be listening. I used to date this chick that wasn't happy unless she was unhappy, I know not what I type. It's easy to pick out the flaws, I do it all the time. But I am one of those "save the relationship" guys so I might just suck. I just want to wait till it's dead in the water before I declare it's dead in the water.

Cheesy, fo sheesy, yadda yadda, this is where I say I like your knowledge about the squad but I still can root because either way I am Cardinals fan, win or lose homie. We all type what should have been done but no one types the same thing, meaning ...

I'm sure you would have done things differently (I would change the play call to suit our talents, but I'm living in my own world here), signings, looks like Graves scoers the disired menu, but nobody likes the initial taste. Nothing taste good right away, you have to slow cook the good ****.

You da man Cheese, that's why I know you can have a real discussion, if you put me on your friends I'll buy you a dank beer.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

The question that should be asked is: "Does the team have the heart to show up for the Steelers game?"

 

[Duckjake]

I'm just gonna say it, Cheese kinda does get off on the Cards losing, I don't know why. Bad childhood, girls dissed him when he wasn't Mike Jones, I don't know. But he has the respect cards from a lot of folks in here so I be listening. I used to date this chick that wasn't happy unless she was unhappy, I know not what I type. It's easy to pick out the flaws, I do it all the time. But I am one of those "save the relationship" guys so I might just suck. I just want to wait till it's dead in the water before I declare it's dead in the water.

Cheesy, fo sheesy, yadda yadda, this is where I say I like your knowledge about the squad but I still can root because either way I am Cardinals fan, win or lose homie. We all type what should have been done but no one types the same thing, meaning ...

I'm sure you would have done things differently (I would change the play call to suit our talents, but I'm living in my own world here), signings, looks like Graves scoers the disired menu, but nobody likes the initial taste. Nothing taste good right away, you have to slow cook the good ****.

You da man Cheese, that's why I know you can have a real discussion, if you put me on your friends I'll buy you a dank beer.

You have it backwards dawg. Cheese is one of the few people who actually calls out the franchise for repeated failures. He wants the team to win and believes the fans deserve a quality product for their money.

To many Cards fans it doesn't matter if the Cards win or lose. In fact most posters on here like talking about the draft and free agency more than they do the actual games. A result of too many years of 5-11.

I figure you might be one of the type fans who doesn't care about the outcome of the game as long as you get to run some smack. I've known a few of those guys as well. Every teams needs some or it wouldn't be NFL football.

 

[THESMEL]

Drink more beer

you may need to pull up your big girl panties and quit whining like a lil witch?

thats may be what you need to do?

I can see it already... a stadium full of ignorant transplants and bandwagoners hootin and hollering. A Cardinal team that stops putting in effort in the second half after they lose the stadium... a running game that can't get anywhere against the Steelers D-line and a passing game still lacking in creativity.

I just don't know if I can do it.

 

[D-Dogg]

I also am of the opinion that even when the Cards "had talent" games like Philly and NE in 2008 (and countless times the Cards didn't show up to games), the Cards had games that they should not have won and didn't come close. So when they won when they "should not have won" it was pretty much on the same level as when they were/are horrible.

that makes very little sense to me, but to each their own.

I speak mulli and had no clue what the hell he's saying here.

 

[Duckjake]

you may need to pull up your big girl panties and quit whining like a lil witch?

thats may be what you need to do?

Maybe he would if the players would put on their big boy pads, stop playing like they're the Junior girls team in a Powder Puff football game and HIT somebody.

By the way did you write the dialogue for Jar Jar Binks in the Star Wars movies?

 

[D-Dogg]

I'm just gonna say it, Cheese kinda does get off on the Cards losing, I don't know why. Bad childhood, girls dissed him when he wasn't Mike Jones, I don't know. But he has the respect cards from a lot of folks in here so I be listening. I used to date this chick that wasn't happy unless she was unhappy, I know not what I type. It's easy to pick out the flaws, I do it all the time. But I am one of those "save the relationship" guys so I might just suck. I just want to wait till it's dead in the water before I declare it's dead in the water.

Cheesy, fo sheesy, yadda yadda, this is where I say I like your knowledge about the squad but I still can root because either way I am Cardinals fan, win or lose homie. We all type what should have been done but no one types the same thing, meaning ...

I'm sure you would have done things differently (I would change the play call to suit our talents, but I'm living in my own world here), signings, looks like Graves scoers the disired menu, but nobody likes the initial taste. Nothing taste good right away, you have to slow cook the good ****.

You da man Cheese, that's why I know you can have a real discussion, if you put me on your friends I'll buy you a dank beer.

Cheese is the barometer of the team - he knows the score. Darkside runs deep within him, but there is dormant koolaid in his veins. if the koolaid is activated, you know we are in good shape. You should have seen him super bowl season. You wouldn't have known who he was - not saying he was bandwaggoning either, he was on board for the Super Bowl before ANYONE else. He was captain Koolaid.

Sometimes cheese might make you frustrated because often he speaks of deep truths on the team we don't really like to talk about at dinner parties, but we want him on this board, we need him on this board!

If I have beef with cheese it comes from him wanting deep changes such as Graves leaving, while I'm more concerned with the team on the field at the moment. I feel Graves problem won't be fixed, and he feels we can't fix the field issues with him in place.

 

[THESMEL]

Mulli Mulli

the 2008 playoff run was games we were not suppose to win! Hey we ususually beat a couple of great teams, even in our worse years. But we would stink it up when playing teams we were suppose to beat.

I think 08 and 09 screwed us Card fans up! For me I never expected as much from a Cardinal Head Coach as I expected from Whiz! and I have been very nasty toward his stupidity of behavior, trying not to be nasty to his person.

I still think we have the talent to win the NFCW this year, It all starts with 400 Beanie Wells carries and 100 Fitz's receptions. Other teams wish they had our problems!!!!! expect and accept no charity.

WE STILL PLAY THE NINERS TWICE IN OUR DIVISION! I hoped for a better record coming off the bye week. but it is what it is- and the Steelers are down compared to other years regardless of what our Cards are like in 2011.

I aint COWERING to no Steelers or stupid NINERS!

( in old English accent)
They can stick it ups their butts!

I speak mulli and had no clue what the hell he's saying here.

 

[D-Dogg]

Smel, did you just translate Mulli into Smel?

If so, can desertdawg come in here and translate the translation? It could be some serious babelfish up in here.

 

[Duckjake]

Since 1991 only 3 players have had 400 rushing attempts in a season: Jamal Anderson, Eddie George and Larry Johnson.

Around 320 for Beanie should work just fine.

 

[THESMEL]

nope

were they 23 years old with 2 years of NFL experience? I cut my teeth on Jim Brown and Leroy Kelly. I could be wrong but I do not think I am. The Bean is better than both at 2 out of 3 major RB skill sets. Beanie is a huge 6' 1" 228 lbs!

That 27 carries for 138 yards and 3 TDS could be his average each game for the next 5 years. He needs protected and handled like a star to do so,( see walker and Dickerson) Yea he needs luck also (not Andrew)

Like we have a better option than to give him the ball... finally. Why we have to be forced into running Beanie Wells like the man that he is.... makes me disgusted in Whiz and Grimm.

25 carries a game for 400 carries 5 yard average for 2000 yards 5 season in a row-- is less than Beanies goals as he left Ohio State for the NFL.
The Bean Dream was Jim Brown's records, Whiz cut his nuts off, for no good reason.

Feed the Bean Dream, don't casterate your franchise player- NFL HC 101

If you don't think it is viable, look at Kurts records, Fitz's playoff records, while some pile crap on the OLINE that made them possible!

Since 1991 only 3 players have had 400 rushing attempts in a season: Jamal Anderson, Eddie George and Larry Johnson.

Around 320 for Beanie should work just fine.

 

[Duckjake]

were they 23 years old with 2 years of NFL experience? I cut my teeth on Jim Brown and Leroy Kelly. I could be wrong but I do not think I am. The Bean is better than both at 2 out of 3 major RB skill sets. Beanie is a huge 6' 1" 228 lbs!

That 27 carries for 138 yards and 3 TDS could be his average each game for the next 5 years. He needs protected and handled like a star to do so,( see walker and Dickerson) Yea he needs luck also (not Andrew)

Like we have a better option than to give him the ball... finally. Why we have to be forced into running Beanie Wells like the man that he is.... makes me disgusted in Whiz and Grimm.

25 carries a game for 400 carries 5 yard average for 2000 yards 5 season in a row-- is less than Beanies goals as he left Ohio State for the NFL.
The Bean Dream was Jim Brown's records, Whiz cut his nuts off, for no good reason.

Feed the Bean Dream, don't casterate your franchise player- NFL HC 101

Jim Brown averaged 20 carries a game. Leroy Kelly 12.7.

20 carries is plenty. Unless it is 20 carries for 60 yards.

Of course you write 400 carries for 2000yds a season for 5 years knowing it is ridiculous just to see if you can get someone to argue with you about it.

20 carries for 95 yards will work for me Sunday.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I'm just gonna say it, Cheese kinda does get off on the Cards losing, I don't know why.

Riiiiiiiiight... cause i HATED when we were winning.

Bad childhood, girls dissed him when he wasn't Mike Jones, I don't know.

Wow. This is completely unneccessary as is the rest of the your post.

You write an entire post that has nothing to do with football, slam my childhood, etc. etc. and you know we can be boys and have a discussion? Sorry man... that ain't a discussion I really care to have.

When the Cards are good, I heap praise, drink the Kool-aid and celebrate like there's no tomorrow. Sadly, that's been 3 out of 23 years year. Sorry if I can't delight when peanuts are served within the **** sandwich the Cardinals which they've been serving us the last two years.