I have chosen to be all in on Rosen

[unseenaz]

Even that is an over generalization. It's simply the people that perpetuate the stereotype that give us a bad name regardless of age.

such a millennial thing to say lol

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

such a millennial thing to say lol

Born in 82' so I could really be generation X or millennial, but I don't feel like I fall into the stereotypes for a millennial.

 

[unseenaz]

Born in 82' so I could really be generation X or millennial, but I don't feel like I fall into the stereotypes for a millennial.

maybe maybe not, just in the context of that conversation that is exactly what a millennial woulda said lol. was funny.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

maybe maybe not, just in the context of that conversation that is exactly what a millennial woulda said lol. was funny.

To each his own. I think it is simply something that some one who is open-minded would say.

 

[TJ]

Josh Rosen just has a face you want to punch. I totally get why he rubs people the wrong way.

Ben Roethlisberger is supposedly a ginormous a-hole. I remember years ago finding this blog written by a Pittsburgh radio personality that documented just how big of a jerk Ben R is. He's the guy who goes out with friends to restaurants, has a huge tab, belittles and talks crap to his waiter/waitress, and then tips $3. There were literally 100s of comments on the blog, and many were locals who had run into him and said he is the biggest jerk you will ever meet.

Well guess what? He won two Super Bowls, and I hope Rosen does the same.

What excites me is that Rosen could be this teams QB in the year 2030. This team hasn't had that kind of QB in my lifetime (I'm 37).

Yeah, he definitely comes off as a douche bag to people, which increases the pressure on him to be successful. Because if not, he's going to get the much deserved vitriol that similar unsuccessful douche bags got, like Jay Cutler.

That said, I think he's going to succeed and his douchiness will just be something we accept.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Yeah, he definitely comes off as a douche bag to people, which increases the pressure on him to be successful. Because if not, he's going to get the much deserved vitriol that similar unsuccessful douche bags got, like Jay Cutler.

That said, I think he's going to succeed and his douchiness will just be something we accept.

I dont really see the Jay Cutler comparison much other than having a perceived undesirable personality.

Cutler is just not that outgoing and isn't the leader of men type. Rosen seems to be, but he just comes off as pompous and cold. Rosen just doesn't exude warmth as a person. Nothing wrong with that it's just his affect.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Yeah, he definitely comes off as a douche bag to people, .......

That said, I think he's going to succeed and his douchiness will just be something we accept.

With all due respect, speak for yourself.

Success, intelligence and confidence is one thing, but to call him a D.B. for it.....well, you have a right to your opinion, and I will leave it at that.

I certainly do not see it.

That all being said, I do agree that all negatives will be accepted, and/or erased with winning football games. Something he has already stated himself.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Rosen seems to be, but he just comes off as pompous and cold. Rosen just doesn't exude warmth as a person. Nothing wrong with that it's just his affect.

Agreed. Rosen is not being paid to be nice to people, he is being paid to win football games, and lead men.

 

[TJ]

With all due respect, speak for yourself.

Success, intelligence and confidence is one thing, but to call him a D.B. for it.....well, you have a right to your opinion, and I will leave it at that.

I certainly do not see it.

That all being said, I do agree that all negatives will be accepted, and/or erased with winning football games. Something he has already stated himself.

Reread my post. I never said that he comes off that way to me, that's why I specifically said "to people." (this is evident by others' perception of him locally and nationally).

To me, he comes off as very confident and determined. I could see a scenario in which if things turned sideways, he could make headlines for all of the wrong reasons.

That said, I think he's going to be very successful in Arizona.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Even that is an over generalization. It's simply the people that perpetuate the stereotype that give us a bad name regardless of age.

Unfortunately there are a TON of them. I do a lot of hiring and we have a large young workforce. Even the best of your age group has some of the stereotypical traits - but the best also have some new extremely valuable traits that prior generations didn’t.

I’ve done a bunch of research regarding training millennials and creating an effective workplace for them (because I know it’s never a “this generation knows the right way and that one doesn’t” situation). I’ve also sought out training on effective communication with millennials. They are an interesting, but challenging bunch to manage. Interesting because they require different motivation while desiring the same comp (quicker). Challenging because, on average, they don’t seem accept whatever paradigm into which they get hired. Disruptors are good for growth and evolution, but only so far as the disruption is creative and positive. Destructive or inefficient disruption is a killer to any business.

I’m lucky because my company, while in a very stodgy established old school industry, is run by entrepreneurs whose spirit permeates the entire organization. So positive disruptors are not only recognized but rewarded. But concurrent with that is a complete intolerance for negative disruptors. In my experience most millennials need to learn the difference and how to consistently be the former and avoid becoming the latter.

 

[TJ]

I dont really see the Jay Cutler comparison much other than having a perceived undesirable personality.

Cutler is just not that outgoing and isn't the leader of men type. Rosen seems to be, but he just comes off as pompous and cold. Rosen just doesn't exude warmth as a person. Nothing wrong with that it's just his affect.

That's the point. He's already rubbing people the wrong way from a personality standpoint. Mayfield is doing the same. You don't hear these attributes about Darnold and Allen. I have no problem with his affect one bit, but those who're easily triggered by people with big personalities are already perceiving him in a negative light.

 

[Cheesewater]

I like that he's unafraid to be an open atheist.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Reread my post. I never said that he comes off that way to me, that's why I specifically said "to people." (this is evident by others' perception of him locally and nationally).

To me, he comes off as very confident and determined. I could see a scenario in which if things turned sideways, he could make headlines for all of the wrong reasons.

That said, I think he's going to be very successful in Arizona.

My bad on poor reading comprehension, thank you for the clarification.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

In my experience most millennials need to learn the difference and how to consistently be the former and avoid becoming the latter.

100%. I am in the same boat, and that is my goal.

The ones that are a negative usually end up leaving or doing something so stupid, it is easy to fire them.

 

[BigRedRage]

maybe maybe not, just in the context of that conversation that is exactly what a millennial woulda said lol. was funny.

yeah okay

 

[slanidrac16]

Living in Chicago Cutler was perceived WAY differently than Rosen. No one would call Cutler “fiery” in any way. He never showed real passion for the game. His demeanor was more like passive. Not saying for one minute that he was that way but the fans of the Bears were not crying when he left. Cut Rosen a little slack. He is now going to be surrounded by professionals that will set him straight in certain areas and take him under their wing in others. Give him some time to shape his professional personality. He’s going to be fine as long as we can put the preconceived notions behind us.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

maybe maybe not, just in the context of that conversation that is exactly what a millennial woulda said lol. was funny.

Complete with a bitter old man response to it, too.

 

[Solar7]

Unfortunately there are a TON of them. I do a lot of hiring and we have a large young workforce. Even the best of your age group has some of the stereotypical traits - but the best also have some new extremely valuable traits that prior generations didn’t.

I’ve done a bunch of research regarding training millennials and creating an effective workplace for them (because I know it’s never a “this generation knows the right way and that one doesn’t” situation). I’ve also sought out training on effective communication with millennials. They are an interesting, but challenging bunch to manage. Interesting because they require different motivation while desiring the same comp (quicker). Challenging because, on average, they don’t seem accept whatever paradigm into which they get hired. Disruptors are good for growth and evolution, but only so far as the disruption is creative and positive. Destructive or inefficient disruption is a killer to any business.

I’m lucky because my company, while in a very stodgy established old school industry, is run by entrepreneurs whose spirit permeates the entire organization. So positive disruptors are not only recognized but rewarded. But concurrent with that is a complete intolerance for negative disruptors. In my experience most millennials need to learn the difference and how to consistently be the former and avoid becoming the latter.

I do question the positioning on "comp (quicker)." I think we want what we feel is fair compensation - the kind that will let us own a home, eat reasonably, and maybe have a little on the side to put away for the future and a vacation (or for many of us, pay off student loans). It's a slap in the face to see what some employers expect us to start at and "prove our worth," when it's readily apparent that no companies have any interest in providing the stability that our predecessors were afforded. No longer does a pension exist, healthcare and benefits are nonexistent, and "raises" are a meager 1.5% if they even happen at all. The only way to move up the ladder is to monkey branch.

I work in digital ad tech for a Fortune 500 company. People with my skillset are rare, but I can't tell you how many times I'll fire up a job recruiting site and see "Wanted: Digital Marketing Manager. 3-4 years of experience required. Must be proficient in SEO, SEM, Social Media Management software, Adobe Creative Cloud, HTML5, Java, eCommerce enterprise applications, media & planning software, GoogleAdWords, DoubleClick Bid Manager, and Programmatic display buying.

Salary: $25,000. May be required to work nights and weekends."

That's ridiculous for someone's market value. And not enough to live unless you have three roommates all sharing a 30 year old home in a bad part of town.

It's hard to be "money motivated" when the reality of our lives is that most of us are never going to actually see retirement. And when businesses are frequently disorganized and constantly change your job role or responsibilities claiming they need to "see more."

Rant over, haha. I'm very passionate about this because I spent a good chunk of my 20s without a permanent address, or sleeping in a room with nothing but an old futon pad and a lamp, and had to struggle insanely to get where I am today, which is finally a decent spot in my career.

 

[Chopper0080]

If Rosen doesn't turn into Andy Dalton at least, it will be a organizational/coaching reason. That much, I am convinced of.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Pretty sure y’all know where I stand here...

 

[oaken1]

I do question the positioning on "comp (quicker)." I think we want what we feel is fair compensation - the kind that will let us own a home, eat reasonably, and maybe have a little on the side to put away for the future and a vacation (or for many of us, pay off student loans). It's a slap in the face to see what some employers expect us to start at and "prove our worth," when it's readily apparent that no companies have any interest in providing the stability that our predecessors were afforded. No longer does a pension exist, healthcare and benefits are nonexistent, and "raises" are a meager 1.5% if they even happen at all. The only way to move up the ladder is to monkey branch.

I work in digital ad tech for a Fortune 500 company. People with my skillset are rare, but I can't tell you how many times I'll fire up a job recruiting site and see "Wanted: Digital Marketing Manager. 3-4 years of experience required. Must be proficient in SEO, SEM, Social Media Management software, Adobe Creative Cloud, HTML5, Java, eCommerce enterprise applications, media & planning software, GoogleAdWords, DoubleClick Bid Manager, and Programmatic display buying.

Salary: $25,000. May be required to work nights and weekends."

That's ridiculous for someone's market value. And not enough to live unless you have three roommates all sharing a 30 year old home in a bad part of town.

It's hard to be "money motivated" when the reality of our lives is that most of us are never going to actually see retirement. And when businesses are frequently disorganized and constantly change your job role or responsibilities claiming they need to "see more."

Rant over, haha. I'm very passionate about this because I spent a good chunk of my 20s without a permanent address, or sleeping in a room with nothing but an old futon pad and a lamp, and had to struggle insanely to get where I am today, which is finally a decent spot in my career.

so...you chose a career with poo pay and it is someone elses fault?
that is really what it boils down to. careers that "make you happy: rarely ever pay the bills...I wanted to be a youth drug counselor... but couldnt live on $8 an hour.

So I became a driller instead, got my six figure income, spent most of my time away from my family, and broke my body down.

"Career satisfaction" would have been better as a youth drug counselor. But a choice had to be made, ...be satisfied with my work or provide a better life for my family.

I was told they call that "Growing up"...making the hard choices, sacrificing in order to meet your responsibilities

 

[Solar7]

so...you chose a career with **** pay and it is someone elses fault?
that is really what it boils down to. careers that "make you happy: rarely ever pay the bills...I wanted to be a youth drug counselor... but couldnt live on $8 an hour.

So I became a driller instead, got my six figure income, spent most of my time away from my family, and broke my body down.

"Career satisfaction" would have been better as a youth drug counselor. But a choice had to be made, ...be satisfied with my work or provide a better life for my family.

I was told they call that "Growing up"...making the hard choices, sacrificing in order to meet your responsibilities

I didn't choose a poo career. I now make my six figures. But the path to get there was a poopy path, and it's bothersome as all hell to be told you're "entitled, spoiled, expect too much, etc.," when nearly every single Boomer was able to go to college (while working a summer job to pay for the whole thing), be handed a career, purchase a home that a family can live in, and stay in their company for the next 40 years, until they retire with a pension that will ensure that they don't go hungry or lose their homes when they're too old to work.

I'm not even saying that jobs need to "make you happy," but that doesn't mean someone should serve you up poo on a plate and you should smile for the privilege to eat it because you're hungry.

The realization that most millennials are coming to is that the "your responsibilities" part of this entire equation isn't actually necessary. You can make your responsibilities what you want them to be. There are now alternative versions of what people view as success, and I sure as hell will you right now that I value "being happy" over struggling to feed and clothe a family for "reasons." Millennials are asking why they should participate in an exhausting marathon that doesn't have a finish line, and questioning that is perfectly valid.

I'm not looking for handouts here, simply saying that the system is broken.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I didn't choose a **** career. I now make my six figures. But the path to get there was a ****** path, and it's bothersome as all hell to be told you're "entitled, spoiled, expect too much, etc.," when nearly every single Boomer was able to go to college (while working a summer job to pay for the whole thing), be handed a career, purchase a home that a family can live in, and stay in their company for the next 40 years, until they retire with a pension that will ensure that they don't go hungry or lose their homes when they're too old to work.

I'm not looking for handouts here, simply saying that the system is broken.

You are correct. The system is broken, and it will never come back to what it once was.

The path you took, is the same I took, and will be the same others will have to take. The path is going to be crapola on a stick, but you did what you needed to do, and that is create value in your craft, and leverage at your job.

Congrats on that, by the way.

In the end, you sacrificed other things in your life to get the job you want, AND the pay you want for it.

 

[Zeno]

How did this thread get sidetracked so easily?

 

[oaken1]

I didn't choose a **** career. I now make my six figures. But the path to get there was a ****** path, and it's bothersome as all hell to be told you're "entitled, spoiled, expect too much, etc.," when nearly every single Boomer was able to go to college (while working a summer job to pay for the whole thing), be handed a career, purchase a home that a family can live in, and stay in their company for the next 40 years, until they retire with a pension that will ensure that they don't go hungry or lose their homes when they're too old to work.

I'm not even saying that jobs need to "make you happy," but that doesn't mean someone should serve you up **** on a plate and you should smile for the privilege to eat it because you're hungry.

The realization that most millennials are coming to is that the "your responsibilities" part of this entire equation isn't actually necessary. You can make your responsibilities what you want them to be. There are now alternative versions of what people view as success, and I sure as hell will you right now that I value "being happy" over struggling to feed and clothe a family for "reasons." Millennials are asking why they should participate in an exhausting marathon that doesn't have a finish line, and questioning that is perfectly valid.

I'm not looking for handouts here, simply saying that the system is broken.

I agree the system could use repairs. But it is easy to say previous generations had it easier when that aint necessarily the case. Every generation thinks their predecessors had it easier than they. But certain opportunities are harder to come by. My father in law never graduated high school, tried one day as a roofer and decided he didnt want to sweat for a living. so he took a job with a small company called Hewlitt-Packard as a janitor. he worked his way up and retired 40 years later as the southwest regional manager making 250k.... pretty solid for a guy without a high school education.....opportunities like that are really hard to find. in any generation.
my mom on the other hand worked 45 years for the same company and for the first 40 she never made more than 14 bucks an hour. her manager changed her "classification" to mechanic for her last five years so she got more money and a better pension. Lots of my family and people I went to school with still work at the same factory where she retired. Those opportunities are still there. They wont net you a porsche and a 500k house,...but a working class life with minimal education.

regardless of what generation one is born into one thing remains the same. those who are willing to work hard and sacrifice will generally gain more than those who are not.

but even hard work and sacrifice does not guarantee you win the game