I just want to get a feel for the Board. McCown or King

[MrY]

As pretty much everyone has observed the Oline is so bad it probably won't make much difference who is playing. I voted for Josh as I feel he has more long term upside

 

[dmoney]

I voted for King. But where is my John Navarre option. That is who I really want to see.

I have never been a McCown fan, Shaun King, well he certainly looks a lot more composed than McCown, but I don't think he is the answer either.

Jeff George? I certainly would prefer that to McCown or King, but he is not a long-term solution at QB given his age.

Navarre looks like he might be good. But with our piss poor OL he would get decapitated!

 

[Russ Smith]

King. I don't know how McCown can get this team to believe in him again. Shaun King had a pocket to pass out of. McCown doesn't protect the ball, doesn't have a feel for the rush, and makes his offensive linemen look back by running backwards fifteen steps before getting sacked. That give DLs a much better pass-rush angle.

McCown looks scared and totally lacking any leadership. I wouldn't put him in charge of my team. Maybe we can make Shaun King our "red zone" specialist or something.

The killer is WHEN he's doing it too. Last week takign sacks in FG range that put us out of FG range, yes they were all over him, but you just have to avoid sacks in scoring range.

This week fumbles in the redzone, you just have to be more careful.

Mistler seemed to be implying without saying it that the whole team was losing confidence in him and that's why the switch was made.

Remember the comment from Graves last year about him being so nervous it permeated through the whole offense?

The talent is obvious, but right now he's got to improve a lot or teams will just blitz us at will.

 

[BradMannTX]

KING.

Did anyone notice how totally different (read: "better") the O-Line looked with King in? He dropped back, the pocket formed, he stepped up, made the read(s), threw the ball. Bing, bang, boom.

Even if King is average, I think the O-line is not built to protect a scrambling QB. Half of Josh's problem is that the line cannot block what Josh is thinking in his head. AND, when Josh is skiddish, he runs around and ends up making the line have to block 3 or four times longer than a regular snap.

As far as running the ball, Emmitt is just plain too slow and not able to make people miss anymore. Give Hambrick and Scobey a turn. It can't be any worse back there.

 

[Evil Ash]

McCown, I want to see how how he reacts after being benched. We'll find out if he learns from his mistakes or if he regresses.

I've seen enough of King's play over the years to know he's not the full-time answer.

 

[Russ Smith]

Navarre looks like he might be good. But with our piss poor OL he would get decapitated!

Mistler said on air that a coach told him that without Josh's feet, he'd have been sacked 12 times last week. Nothing about how manyof those were him misreading a blitz or holding the ball too long, just his raw ability to avoid the sack.

navarre is the polar opposite of Josh.

 

[joshstmarie]

Marcus Vick in '06

 

[CardinalLaw]

KING.

Did anyone notice how totally different (read: "better") the O-Line looked with King in? He dropped back, the pocket formed, he stepped up, made the read(s), threw the ball. Bing, bang, boom.

Even if King is average, I think the O-line is not built to protect a scrambling QB. Half of Josh's problem is that the line cannot block what Josh is thinking in his head. AND, when Josh is skiddish, he runs around and ends up making the line have to block 3 or four times longer than a regular snap.

As far as running the ball, Emmitt is just plain too slow and not able to make people miss anymore. Give Hambrick and Scobey a turn. It can't be any worse back there.

by the way EVIL ASH is that name from Army of Darkness, Evil Dead

 

[artp]

I haven't given up on Josh as being the QB who will take us to the Playoffs in the next few years. But, I think he should sit the next couple of games. Josh looks lost to me, and is playing scared. of course, the terrible OL play has a lot to do with that, but I think King has more poise and experience to play behind that OL. Right now, I think King gives the Offense a better chance to win ballgames.

 

[Evil Ash]

by the way EVIL ASH is that name from Army of Darkness, Evil Dead

Yup, 3 of my favorite movies (Evil Dead 1, 2 , and Army of Darkness).

Now back to the subject ... I think people need to come to the realization that young QBs are going to make mistakes. The question with McCown is whether or not he will bounce back and learn from it or not.

Now I have a question...

If King had such better pocket pressence and leadership as some people here seem to think, then why didn't he audible out of the running play that we ran at 3rd and 3 when it was an obvious blitz?

 

[OmahaCardsFan]

King. No question. There are 10 other guys out there to consider.

 

[Hordispack]

Mc Cown wasn't that bad today. He did not deserve to be pulled.

Plummer won.

A QB is not the answer to this team. IMO>

 

[Stout]

I'll take 20 for 26 any day of the week.... The TD's will come

McCown

And let's take a gander at how he was 20 for 26...WILL NOT try and throw the ball away...takes the sack...WILL NOT throw the ball unless he's almost 100 percent positive it's a wide open play...takes the sack instead...will not throw deep...takes the sack instead...are we seeing a trend? He either eats the ball and ruins our chances, or he has a guy open and he KNOWS he's open.

 

[KingofCards]

All these posts about King are giving me a complex.

I guess I'll have to wait until the "King sucks." etc start happening. (knock wood)

Makes me think everyone is talking about me.

 

[Cardiac]

This offense is soooooooooooo bad that we need to get a better idea of what is the root cause. My eyes tell me the O-line is the main culprit but maybe a change at QB will help. If King gets killed and the offense doesn't improve then we know for sure the O-line is the biggest issue.

It would also be good for McCown to take a break and get his head back on straight. Watch and learn for a little bit.

 

[OmahaCardsFan]

This offense is soooooooooooo bad that we need to get a better idea of what is the root cause. My eyes tell me the O-line is the main culprit but maybe a change at QB will help. If King gets killed and the offense doesn't improve then we know for sure the O-line is the biggest issue.

It would also be good for McCown to take a break and get his head back on straight. Watch and learn for a little bit.

I think RB is an issue to. We some speed back there.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

The reason McCown was benched after that blindside sack is because it was a 3 step drop and a quick throw. That's it. Instead, he held the ball and it cost us a chance to tie.

I have been critical of the system, but if he isn't following the system then we have to go somewhere else.

Certainly the offense looked MUCH better under King.

 

[john h]

I say lets give King a shot.

If you want to win go with King. If you want to develop McCown go with McCown. What was King? 5 for 5? I got the sense the team sort of woke up when he came in. He can read a defense. Josh had some good short passes but he still lacks some field sense and I do not think is seeing the entire field. He could have thrown some balls away but took a sack. On occasion he did not sense a blind side rush. He looked better this game than any other with those short crisp passes. Apparenly some of his audablles were not liked by Green. Smith days as a runner are well behind him. Green needs to start one of the other backs. Is Smith the oldest starter as a RB in the league? If not he is close. Our defense is playing better than I thought they could. Our runs into the middle of the line on 1st down was a clear mistake. Williams was outstanding until the deadly fumble at the end. We are now 3 games without a TD. Something has to be done. The entire season cannot be about McCown. You got to think about the rest of the team and if it means starting King then do it. Josh is just not getting the ball into the endzone either during this season or in preseason. In the final analysis it is all about winning.

 

[john h]

I vote for King. If McCown is the QB of the future you don't want him getting killed today. Hide Josh on the bench until they get a little Dutch Boy in to coach the Offensive Line.

Three losess in a row and not a TD yet in not acceptable. It is time to give King a go. The team is not about McCown. It is about the team and winning games.

 

[john h]

What was the point of taking McCown out after he got clobbered from the back side?

Take him out after the 2nd fumble maybe, but the third one he had no chance!

He was 20-26 for gosh sakes! When was the last time we had a QB go 20-26? It upset me when Denny pulled him. That was probably my least favorite Green decision to date.

Maybe he thought Josh had had enough. McCown had been sacked about 6 times at that point. But McCown was still hanging in there. Still throwing strikes.

I don't know... At least we had a chance to win.

A lot of experienced QB's would have sensed that blind side hit comming. Their internal clock would have told them to look back.

 

[Evil Ash]

Three losess in a row and not a TD yet in not acceptable. It is time to give King a go. The team is not about McCown. It is about the team and winning games.

Just a minor correction: Emmitt did have a rushing TD in game 1, we don't have any passing TDs yet.

As far as the rest of the post it depends on if the priority is going to win now or to build for the future.

King gives us the better chance of winning now based on the mistakes McCown has made thus far.

However, if Dennis Green really thinks that McCown is the future let him play because there is only so much he can learn from the sidelines (even if that means living with mistakes from his young QB)

BTW Is anybody going to answer my question on the 3rd and 3 play?

 

[MadCardDisease]

Aside from the fumbles I thought McCown looked pretty sharp today. He made some very nice throws. Atlanta has a solid defensive line and they put good pressure on McCown. I just hope that McCown works on protecting the ball more when he starts to scramble. Plus he needs to get rid of the ball quicker and not hang on to it so long.

How many of you think that Vick should be benched? He had a much worse game than McCown???

 

[ajcardfan]

Really, is there any question?

BOLDIN said King would be the starter before the year was out, before training camp even started.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Aside from the fumbles I thought McCown looked pretty sharp today. He made some very nice throws. Atlanta has a solid defensive line and they put good pressure on McCown. I just hope that McCown works on protecting the ball more when he starts to scramble. Plus he needs to get rid of the ball quicker and not hang on to it so long.

How many of you think that Vick should be benched? He had a much worse game than McCown???

Gee - slight difference is that Vick lead his team to 23 points in week one and 34 points in Week two and has his team at 3-0 instead of being one of the main reason his team has scored a measely 25 points in three games. That comparison is just stupid.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Just a minor correction: Emmitt did have a rushing TD in game 1, we don't have any passing TDs yet.

As far as the rest of the post it depends on if the priority is going to win now or to build for the future.

King gives us the better chance of winning now based on the mistakes McCown has made thus far.

However, if Dennis Green really thinks that McCown is the future let him play because there is only so much he can learn from the sidelines (even if that means living with mistakes from his young QB)

BTW Is anybody going to answer my question on the 3rd and 3 play?

Emmitt has 2 rushing TDs.