I say "FIRE DENNIS GREEN!"

[phillycard]

I was feeling this angry yesterday myself. Partly because of the 23 oz beers I was chugging to ease the pain, and partly because he has put his self in this position. I think he has realized that it's gonna take alot more than his rep to get this team headed in the right direction. His sideline demeanor irks the **** out of me too!!!! AAGGHHH!!!

 

[jf-08]

I agree 100%.

I'm going to go on record that firing Green would be a totally stupid move at this point.

ditto

 

[clif]

Look beyond your feelings of the job that DG is doing coaching wise. Who in their right mind would want to work for this team if you fire your coach who brought you the 2 best drafts you may have ever had and you fire him after 1 year and 3 games?

 

[AZCB34]

Look beyond your feelings of the job that DG is doing coaching wise. Who in their right mind would want to work for this team if you fire your coach who brought you the 2 best drafts you may have ever had and you fire him after 1 year and 3 games?

Let me first say that, even I think it would be foolish to fire Green now, but coaches are fired all the time even after bringing in great draft classes or what have you. If you cannot win, you lose your job...it is as plain and simple as that.

Green is a very good talent evaluator but he is proving to be a horrible coach on Sundays...HORRIBLE. Way too many things he fouled up when he is prowling the sidelines to be otherwise. Case in point was the fact he left the red flag in his pocket on that catch by Boldin.

Don't frie Denny yet but this team is very close to quitting on the guy.

 

[AzKarl]

Azkarl

I think firing Green now would be a mistake because the team may quit on whoever gets the job.

I also think it'd be letting Green off easy, this is his mess and he's got to fix it or go down with the ship, don't give him a liferaft and let him leave.

It's his fault the OL is worse, it's his fault the QB situation has no viable QB of the future.

And to be fair to Green he deserves more than 19 games to put in his program, but so far this year is a disaster.

This has all the makings of the TY Willingham crap that I and other ND alums have had to bear watching that fraud Willingham who will send the Husky program into oblivion with his "coachspeak" and integrity facade. The big difference here is that I thought Denny Green knew what the hell he was doing. When you play as badly as the Cards have played there is nothing a team can do but go back to fundamentals. The tackling and overall execution and discipline seem non-existent. Injuries are piling up and that leads me to ask if conditioning is what it should be. Also, Head coaches are only as good as the Assistants they surround themselves with and Denny has apparently let his ego get in the way of hiring the best. When Norm Chow was available, why did not the Cardinals go after him? This OC is a rookie learning on the job. Not what the Cardinals needed. Ego's appear to be getting in the way of player evaluations which is shocking to me with Green. Green needs to do something quickly or he will quickly lose this team if he hasn't already.

 

[Russ Smith]

Look beyond your feelings of the job that DG is doing coaching wise. Who in their right mind would want to work for this team if you fire your coach who brought you the 2 best drafts you may have ever had and you fire him after 1 year and 3 games?

2 points, losing with bad talent is one thing, losing with good talent is much worse, so if Green has done such a good job of bringing in talent, what does that say about coaching? Look at the start of halves stat, teams score a TD on us every time, that's completely coaching it's their gameplan against ours and they're winning. That's Clancy but this defense is built to play the under that Green wants to play.

This years draft isn't so great so far, Rolle is better than he looked sunday but Arrington has struggled, Blackstock nothing, Brown struggled, Mitchell struggling, the only pick playing really well now is Eric Green. I think Rolle healthy played well too but the other guys for now are showing why they slipped and even JJ isn't playing anywhere near his draft status right now. So calling this draft good is premature.

I wouldn't fire him now but in part because I'm not sure there's a good coach out there, and in part because I want Green to finish this mess he created, he has a plan, I want to see it executed, or him executed at the end of the year.

 

[Russ Smith]

This has all the makings of the TY Willingham crap that I and other ND alums have had to bear watching that fraud Willingham who will send the Husky program into oblivion with his "coachspeak" and integrity facade. The big difference here is that I thought Denny Green knew what the hell he was doing. When you play as badly as the Cards have played there is nothing a team can do but go back to fundamentals. The tackling and overall execution and discipline seem non-existent. Injuries are piling up and that leads me to ask if conditioning is what it should be. Also, Head coaches are only as good as the Assistants they surround themselves with and Denny has apparently let his ego get in the way of hiring the best. When Norm Chow was available, why did not the Cardinals go after him? This OC is a rookie learning on the job. Not what the Cardinals needed. Ego's appear to be getting in the way of player evaluations which is shocking to me with Green. Green needs to something quickly or he will quickly lose this team if he hasn't already.

Chow is rookie OC too he's never done it in the NFL.

 

[clif]

2 points, losing with bad talent is one thing, losing with good talent is much worse, so if Green has done such a good job of bringing in talent, what does that say about coaching? Look at the start of halves stat, teams score a TD on us every time, that's completely coaching it's their gameplan against ours and they're winning. That's Clancy but this defense is built to play the under that Green wants to play.

This years draft isn't so great so far, Rolle is better than he looked sunday but Arrington has struggled, Blackstock nothing, Brown struggled, Mitchell struggling, the only pick playing really well now is Eric Green. I think Rolle healthy played well too but the other guys for now are showing why they slipped and even JJ isn't playing anywhere near his draft status right now. So calling this draft good is premature.

I wouldn't fire him now but in part because I'm not sure there's a good coach out there, and in part because I want Green to finish this mess he created, he has a plan, I want to see it executed, or him executed at the end of the year.

The point I am making is credibility. You don't fire a coach after 1 year or 2 years on the job when everyone and their momma knew it would take at least 3 years to get this team near playoff contention. The only reason I could see him getting fired is if he told Bidwill to kiss his butt, or walked off the field early a la Buddy.

I say again if you were a coach who knew this organization was dreadful, and knew you only had 2 years... would you consider coming here? We all know this place is a career killer.

 

[Russ Smith]

The point I am making is credibility. You don't fire a coach after 1 year or 2 years on the job when everyone and their momma knew it would take at least 3 years to get this team near playoff contention. The only reason I could see him getting fired is if he told Bidwill to kiss his butt, or walked off the field early a la Buddy.

I say again if you were a coach who knew this organization was dreadful, and knew you only had 2 years... would you consider coming here? We all know this place is a career killer.

True. I just keep seeing other teams turn it around much quicker, like the Dolphins this year or Cincy under Lewis, and wonder why we can't?

Green isn't doing his job coaching, he's got to roll up his sleeves and get his hands dirty the next few weeks, he's the man in charge, he's got to take charge.

 

[john h]

Look beyond your feelings of the job that DG is doing coaching wise. Who in their right mind would want to work for this team if you fire your coach who brought you the 2 best drafts you may have ever had and you fire him after 1 year and 3 games?

It is much to early to declare our draft picks with such high praise. JJ still cannot gain 1 yd a carry. Yesterday Rolle looked terrible. With Green's ego and method of leadership I would wonder just how much real support he currently has with his players. They have to wonder just like us what the hell he is doing sometimes. Teams do make major changes early in the season. If Boss Steinbrenner owned this team you can bet DG would be packed and on his way back to where ever. I still think in the final analysis that Ownership is the ultimate responsibility of over 50 years of futility. You can point to coaches, players, GM's,etc. but the one constant is Ownership. They bring in the GM's and Head Coaches who bring in the players. They say how much money the GM or Head Coach has to purchase players. Can you picture Boss Steinbrenner sitting in his luxury box eating his ice cream with the Yankees getting their butts kicked. Yes, I know we cannot do anything about it but we can recognize what the ultimate problem is. I am not sure the Bidwill's deserved a new stadium. They were not smart enough to have it in writing when they arrived. With what we have we are not going to any playoffs next year or the year after. Yes, I will still be a Cardinal fan and watch them every week because I cannot help myself. I am just totally pissed off. Now, I feel a little better for a few moments.

 

[Southpaw]

Nope

A pox on you and your gang.

 

[Wild Card]

True. I just keep seeing other teams turn it around much quicker, like the Dolphins this year or Cincy under Lewis, and wonder why we can't?

Russ:

In Miami, look at what Nick Saban has done. Specifically, he hired one of the hottest OCs in the league, Scott Linehan, away from Minnesota. Then, he brought in Hudson Houck from San Diego to coach the offensive line.

Contrast those two hires with what Dennis Green has done to address the identical needs, and you'll better understand the difference in progress of those two rebuilding projects.

WC

 

[Russ Smith]

Russ:

In Miami, look at what Nick Saban has done. Specifically, he hired one of the hottest OCs in the league, Scott Linehan, away from Minnesota. Then, he brought in Hudson Houck from San Diego to coach the offensive line.

Contrast those two hires with what Dennis Green has done to address the identical needs, and you'll better understand the difference in progress of those two rebuilding projects.

WC

Oh I grasp that, I'm the one screaming about hiring his buddies like Hargrave and Solomon and then promoting Lindsay. I was excited about Rowen and I'm still not convince he sucks, when the OL is this bad it limits what you can do.

To be honest Green is too experienced but it's like I'm watching Steve Lavin destroy UCLA all over again, come in assistants are all young and friends of his, one great recruiting class after another followed by constant underachievement and inconsistency.

Green is FAR more experienced than Lavin he won't take it that far.

Worst case scenario Green will get fed up, quit, and then go on ESPN blasting the Bidwills and Graves for failing to give him adequate support to install his program. Best case, Green's experience overtakes his ego and he digs in and fixes the problems.

 

[clif]

True. I just keep seeing other teams turn it around much quicker, like the Dolphins this year or Cincy under Lewis, and wonder why we can't?

Green isn't doing his job coaching, he's got to roll up his sleeves and get his hands dirty the next few weeks, he's the man in charge, he's got to take charge.

He certainly is the man in charge and needs to take charge, but I think he is using the formula that worked for him in Minnesota. He had great assistant coaches, which apparently meant he had to be less hands on. Obviously now that is not working so I would hope that he takes a more active role in every facet of the team.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Oh I grasp that, I'm the one screaming about hiring his buddies like Hargrave and Solomon and then promoting Lindsay. I was excited about Rowen and I'm still not convince he sucks, when the OL is this bad it limits what you can do.

To be honest Green is too experienced but it's like I'm watching Steve Lavin destroy UCLA all over again, come in assistants are all young and friends of his, one great recruiting class after another followed by constant underachievement and inconsistency.

Green is FAR more experienced than Lavin he won't take it that far.

Worst case scenario Green will get fed up, quit, and then go on ESPN blasting the Bidwills and Graves for failing to give him adequate support to install his program. Best case, Green's experience overtakes his ego and he digs in and fixes the problems.

There are two things that need to be fixed right now for this team to turn it around.

#1: The Offensive line needs to get on the same page and actually learn to block.

#2: The team needs to stop commiting penalties and execute plays. Especially the O-Line.

I think both of these are the responsibility of the Coaches right now.

 

[clif]

It is much to early to declare our draft picks with such high praise. JJ still cannot gain 1 yd a carry. Yesterday Rolle looked terrible. With Green's ego and method of leadership I would wonder just how much real support he currently has with his players. They have to wonder just like us what the hell he is doing sometimes. Teams do make major changes early in the season. If Boss Steinbrenner owned this team you can bet DG would be packed and on his way back to where ever. I still think in the final analysis that Ownership is the ultimate responsibility of over 50 years of futility. You can point to coaches, players, GM's,etc. but the one constant is Ownership. They bring in the GM's and Head Coaches who bring in the players. They say how much money the GM or Head Coach has to purchase players. Can you picture Boss Steinbrenner sitting in his luxury box eating his ice cream with the Yankees getting their butts kicked. Yes, I know we cannot do anything about it but we can recognize what the ultimate problem is. I am not sure the Bidwill's deserved a new stadium. They were not smart enough to have it in writing when they arrived. With what we have we are not going to any playoffs next year or the year after. Yes, I will still be a Cardinal fan and watch them every week because I cannot help myself. I am just totally pissed off. Now, I feel a little better for a few moments.

I am not declaring the draft anything..just merely repeating what was widely regarded as a very good draft.

 

[Russ Smith]

There are two things that need to be fixed right now for this team to turn it around.

#1: The Offensive line needs to get on the same page and actually learn to block.

#2: The team needs to stop commiting penalties and execute plays. Especially the O-Line.

I think both of these are the responsibility of the Coaches right now.

Agreed, what I would like to see is Green take a more hands on approach to the playcalling freeing up Rowen to help Linsday with the OL. That's a clear problem right now injuries, youth none of that is enough to explain how bad the OL is playing especially in the redzone.

In the old days Jake would go back to pass and I'd wince expecting a pick, now when we get in the redzone I wonder what happens first, false start, or missed block blowing up the run play?

For example there was one play yesterday(not in the redzone) where JJ got hit for a 2 yard loss. Wolfley said "that can't happen it's just backside penetration inside the TE. His whole job on that play is make the guy run around outside you so he doesn't have time to get to the hole, instead he was on his outside shoulder, guy went inside and hit JJ for the loss" He went on to say it had to be fixed by the coaches because an NFL TE has to know on that play he has one job, and the TE(not sure if it was Teyo or Bergen) clearly didn't know what his job was on that play he didn't just miss, he simply blocked the guy the wrong direction.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Agreed, what I would like to see is Green take a more hands on approach to the playcalling freeing up Rowen to help Linsday with the OL. That's a clear problem right now injuries, youth none of that is enough to explain how bad the OL is playing especially in the redzone.

In the old days Jake would go back to pass and I'd wince expecting a pick, now when we get in the redzone I wonder what happens first, false start, or missed block blowing up the run play?

For example there was one play yesterday(not in the redzone) where JJ got hit for a 2 yard loss. Wolfley said "that can't happen it's just backside penetration inside the TE. His whole job on that play is make the guy run around outside you so he doesn't have time to get to the hole, instead he was on his outside shoulder, guy went inside and hit JJ for the loss" He went on to say it had to be fixed by the coaches because an NFL TE has to know on that play he has one job, and the TE(not sure if it was Teyo or Bergen) clearly didn't know what his job was on that play he didn't just miss, he simply blocked the guy the wrong direction.

I'm just hoping we can win at least one game before the bye week. Hopefully during the bye they can work on the blocking and get healthy.