I Was Clearly Wrong

[Ronin]

This place is unbelievable. It was BA first and now Keim. BA and Keim are not perfect but be very very careful what you wish for.

+1

 

[CardsFan88]

Let's put this into perspective. Has there been more or less news regarding the Cards HC position than say Indy or Detroit or NY? Even Tenn.?

Suddenly because people on this board aren't hearing what they want the instant they want this job is some how a crappy job? Are you shittin' me? There are only 32 of these available on the entire planet and they pay millions of dollars per year on top of all kinds of perks.

And the Cards are the worst of them? Who wouldn't want to come here and basically be able to assemble the offense around their vision?

They've got an owner and GM who want to win. Great weather and top notch facilities.

Many of you vastly under estimate the franchise.

Giants - Who can say with a straight face that the Giants and the Mara's are running that team competently? Oh gee, hire a head coach, he takes you to the playoffs, and a few games into his 2nd year the inmates are running the asylum. Guys are getting suspended left and right. Mutiny is afoot. Mara's are oblivious, to the point where their franchise QB with 2 Superbowl rings is benched in a power play of who is asserting control. Then they fire him after 2 seasons, 1 of which was in the playoffs.

Oh also they seem to be missing Tom Coughlin, whose team he helps oversee is now in the AFC championship. Also remember Coughlin felt so betrayed by the Mara's, he wouldn't shake Mara's hand.

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(That and the players who rubbed McAdoo the wrong way, will be there to potentially do the same thing with Shurmur, especially after Dorsey gave all the mutineers a clean slate).

Colts- Irsay, no need to say more.

Titans- Fire their head coach after 2 seasons, both of which were 9-7, they made the playoffs. A rumor comes out that he's fired if he doesn't win a playoff game. They win the playoff game. Ownership chimes in with support. Lose the next one. Then we are supposed to believe that he was going to get an extension, but instead was fired because he would not make changes on the staff. What a crapshow. If ownership wanted staff changes after a playoff win and two 9-7 seasons, they're idiots. If not, they still fired a coach after two years, both winning seasons, and a playoff victory, which makes them idiots.

2 of the 3 places people are concerned about beating us just proved they are franchises in disarray. That and to expect they could fire you in 2 years, even if you make the playoffs. Great looking jobs.

when I said this was an attractive HC job. I thought about titling this thread, “The Sins of Our Fathers.” That’s because when trying to imagine why this job was no drawing contenders, I first wondered if it was the Cards’ previous reputation. I know some thought it might be the lack of a QB. I think this observstion clearly has proven it has merit. I believe Azlen’s thread was the first to post this. If you look at the other openings there’s either a decent incumbent or a developable new guy. If fact some of the best young QBs are where the openings are. This further highlights how valuable a good QB is and how hard it is to pick a good one in the draft.

The Cards have a winning defense. The have a few stars on offense, but the lack of a QB stands out. I think it’s also possible there’s some concern about Keim’s ability or aggressive orientation to fix this issue. Despite Palmer’s fragile state and Stanton’s questionable ability to be a quality QB the Cards have made only long shot attempts to find a QBOTF.

So now the Cards are left trying to hire a head coach missing what appears to be the primary attraction. So assuming the Cards choose to go get a QB, can they still a HC who can build a staff capable of developing a QB and win in the rapidly improving NFC West? The Cards are now arguably the bottom team in the West. Also will Keim get aggressive enough to whatever it takes to draft a quality candidate to be the QBOTF.

In the end, however, I still believe money talks. If the Cards had picked their man and offered an above market contract, I think they’d have now had a HC. Time wasn’t on their side, but they just didn’t get it.

You weren't clearly wrong.

Nothing has happened but Nagy being named head coach. Everything else is pure speculation.

We don't know who our first choice was. We don't. We don't know if it was Shurmur. We don't know if Munchak was 2nd. We don't know squat but what the media has been telling us, and their track record isn't good. It's all speculation. Before Shurmur or Munchak supposedly made up their minds we were told of our interest in Wilks and Flores.

All we can go by is that we interviewed a bunch of guys, and a couple of guys with links elsewhere decided to go with what they know and/or offer in hand. Did we get all upset that Gruden didn't consider us? No, because we understood the linkages with the Raiders. Well, same thing can be said of Patricia and Munchak. Who knows with Shurmur, but he's just one guy, a guy who may have received an offer when we probably didn't extend one.

We've obviously been waiting to talk to people still in the playoffs.

We cast a wide net, and now that a couple of them are supposedly off the market, they were our guys and we suck, and we're not attractive, so on and so forth. We're on our 3rd or 4th option.

Perhaps. But there is absolutely no evidence besides gossip from various sources.

We're also having selective memory here. We've been told from this gossip that we loved Shurmur, Munchak, Flores, Wilks... maybe even a few more. But apparently the only ones that matter are the guys who have supposedly come to agreements. Not any of these other guys.

Nothing has happened. People are just so scared of the Cardinals becoming the Cardinals of old, people are already claiming it's true and looking for reason why it is true.

All in all I'm not concerned with being the top choice, because for each individual candidate there will be different metrics. We can't be on top for everyone, not unless we had a perfect track record. We don't.

The Giants, Titans, and Colts over the past few weeks to years have shown alot of idiocy and lack of competence. As I laid out above, no one should consider these franchises well run.

You're right money talks, and the Cardinals, are likely being true to their word. They likely haven't offered ANYONE a deal yet.

They are going through their process. Other teams are desperate, badly run, or know exactly who they want (tunnel vision or not). We don't.

There's nothing wrong with that. If anything, it's more honest to say we don't know, then for some of these other teams to pretend they know but likely haven't done much due diligence. Being honest to themselves and being open to seeing what's out there is a humble approach that can pay dividends.

As an individual, if someone is offering you a job, and another one isn't, bird in the hand. That doesn't mean we're undesirable, because it isn't an even choice. One place you have a job offer, the other you don't. You can't then claim as a franchise we're less desirable for whatever reason. If we both had equal offers on the table, and they chose someone else, THEN we would be less desirable, if of course the other team doesn't have some sort of ties to them (and/or familial reasons).

So it gets into the whole, are we even trying to judge this through an appropriate lens? Most situations aren't equal, but we're trying to judge them all as equal. Someone supposedly lands someone first and guess what, there might be nothing actually actionable by that to judge whether or not we are more/less desirable. Let alone was that even the guy we prefer?

Everything by our media and the media in general are guesses. Jurecki says this... but it's a guess. Gambo says this, it's a guess. ESPN says this, it's a guess.

But hey this is a message board, so of course this stuff is going to happen, but let's not get inside our own heads a bit too much and stroke negative emotions. It's not worth it.

We indeed could come out of this with the best match possible for us and whether it's first or last or anywhere in between doesn't matter.... except of course to us fans who are frustrated. We need to just hang in there.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Are you kidding me? Why wouldn't this be an attractive HC job?

Just because we haven't rushed out and hired someone does not mean the job is not attractive. Maybe our next HC is still coaching deep into the playoffs.

 

[JeffGollin]

I get the feeling we're all drawing up a bunch of scenarios and then arguing scenario vs, scenario instead of facts vs. facts.

What we do know:

- There were initially 6 or so job openings that have expanded by about 2

- Each time there's a new opening, it creates a domino effect among available position-coaches

- Roughly a half-dozen coaches said to have signd wink-wink deals.

- About 9 or so coaching candidates were in play.

- 3 candidates come out of a very unique Patriot organization (& not a good fit for certain styles or systems).

- The Cards interviewed a bunch. About half the interviewees are said to be headed elsewhere.

- We don't know how these candidates ranked on the Cardinal short list or who's still on it.

- We do know Munchak turned us down

- Shurmer and Patricia said to head elsewhere.

All else is speculation.

Far cry from "Nobody loves us." (Take a deep breath).

PS I just refuse to believe that there are only a half-dozen or so coaching candidates in the whole wide world who can help us.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Simply Making a deal for Watson would've solved everything.

 

[ARZCardinals]

I'll tell you why this job is bad...and I don't think it's been mentioned

Keim and MB are trying to shove James Betcher down the interviewers throat.

I can only imagine the conversation with Pat Patricia

Pat has had a top 3 defense every year and Keim and MB are telling Pat he needs to keep Betcher on staff....he probably left laughing at them.

When you hire a HC, you let them choose the ENTIRE staff. You don't tell someone to come in and create a new menu when the last one failed, but they must still use some of the ingredients you thought worked. NA' the new chef gets to decide EVERYTHING.

 

[BillsCarnage]

Giants - Who can say with a straight face that the Giants and the Mara's are running that team competently? Oh gee, hire a head coach, he takes you to the playoffs, and a few games into his 2nd year the inmates are running the asylum. Guys are getting suspended left and right. Mutiny is afoot. Mara's are oblivious, to the point where their franchise QB with 2 Superbowl rings is benched in a power play of who is asserting control. Then they fire him after 2 seasons, 1 of which was in the playoffs.

Oh also they seem to be missing Tom Coughlin, whose team he helps oversee is now in the AFC championship. Also remember Coughlin felt so betrayed by the Mara's, he wouldn't shake Mara's hand.

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(That and the players who rubbed McAdoo the wrong way, will be there to potentially do the same thing with Shurmur, especially after Dorsey gave all the mutineers a clean slate).

Colts- Irsay, no need to say more.

Titans- Fire their head coach after 2 seasons, both of which were 9-7, they made the playoffs. A rumor comes out that he's fired if he doesn't win a playoff game. They win the playoff game. Ownership chimes in with support. Lose the next one. Then we are supposed to believe that he was going to get an extension, but instead was fired because he would not make changes on the staff. What a crapshow. If ownership wanted staff changes after a playoff win and two 9-7 seasons, they're idiots. If not, they still fired a coach after two years, both winning seasons, and a playoff victory, which makes them idiots.

2 of the 3 places people are concerned about beating us just proved they are franchises in disarray. That and to expect they could fire you in 2 years, even if you make the playoffs. Great looking jobs.



You weren't clearly wrong.

Nothing has happened but Nagy being named head coach. Everything else is pure speculation.

We don't know who our first choice was. We don't. We don't know if it was Shurmur. We don't know if Munchak was 2nd. We don't know squat but what the media has been telling us, and their track record isn't good. It's all speculation. Before Shurmur or Munchak supposedly made up their minds we were told of our interest in Wilks and Flores.

All we can go by is that we interviewed a bunch of guys, and a couple of guys with links elsewhere decided to go with what they know and/or offer in hand. Did we get all upset that Gruden didn't consider us? No, because we understood the linkages with the Raiders. Well, same thing can be said of Patricia and Munchak. Who knows with Shurmur, but he's just one guy, a guy who may have received an offer when we probably didn't extend one.

We've obviously been waiting to talk to people still in the playoffs.

We cast a wide net, and now that a couple of them are supposedly off the market, they were our guys and we suck, and we're not attractive, so on and so forth. We're on our 3rd or 4th option.

Perhaps. But there is absolutely no evidence besides gossip from various sources.

We're also having selective memory here. We've been told from this gossip that we loved Shurmur, Munchak, Flores, Wilks... maybe even a few more. But apparently the only ones that matter are the guys who have supposedly come to agreements. Not any of these other guys.

Nothing has happened. People are just so scared of the Cardinals becoming the Cardinals of old, people are already claiming it's true and looking for reason why it is true.

All in all I'm not concerned with being the top choice, because for each individual candidate there will be different metrics. We can't be on top for everyone, not unless we had a perfect track record. We don't.

The Giants, Titans, and Colts over the past few weeks to years have shown alot of idiocy and lack of competence. As I laid out above, no one should consider these franchises well run.

You're right money talks, and the Cardinals, are likely being true to their word. They likely haven't offered ANYONE a deal yet.

They are going through their process. Other teams are desperate, badly run, or know exactly who they want (tunnel vision or not). We don't.

There's nothing wrong with that. If anything, it's more honest to say we don't know, then for some of these other teams to pretend they know but likely haven't done much due diligence. Being honest to themselves and being open to seeing what's out there is a humble approach that can pay dividends.

As an individual, if someone is offering you a job, and another one isn't, bird in the hand. That doesn't mean we're undesirable, because it isn't an even choice. One place you have a job offer, the other you don't. You can't then claim as a franchise we're less desirable for whatever reason. If we both had equal offers on the table, and they chose someone else, THEN we would be less desirable, if of course the other team doesn't have some sort of ties to them (and/or familial reasons).

So it gets into the whole, are we even trying to judge this through an appropriate lens? Most situations aren't equal, but we're trying to judge them all as equal. Someone supposedly lands someone first and guess what, there might be nothing actually actionable by that to judge whether or not we are more/less desirable. Let alone was that even the guy we prefer?

Everything by our media and the media in general are guesses. Jurecki says this... but it's a guess. Gambo says this, it's a guess. ESPN says this, it's a guess.

But hey this is a message board, so of course this stuff is going to happen, but let's not get inside our own heads a bit too much and stroke negative emotions. It's not worth it.

We indeed could come out of this with the best match possible for us and whether it's first or last or anywhere in between doesn't matter.... except of course to us fans who are frustrated. We need to just hang in there.

Well said.

We don't know who our first choice was. We don't. We don't know if it was Shurmur. We don't know if Munchak was 2nd. We don't know squat but what the media has been telling us, and their track record isn't good. It's all speculation. Before Shurmur or Munchak supposedly made up their minds we were told of our interest in Wilks and Flores.

And their #1 choice might still be their #1 choice. It sure looks like a possible #1 choice's team is still playing.

 

[ARZCardinals]

Simply Making a deal for Watson would've solved everything.

Keim was and is too chicken to put his name with 1st round qb.

He failed with getting Watson and he completely failed when it came to Jimmy G

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

Why aren't we ever talking about some of the college coaches that are available. There are several ranked very highly as perspective nfl head coaches. We only seem to be looking at coordinators from other nfl teams. Maybe we need to rethink this, or should I say our GM needs to open his mind and reach out to some of them.

 

[BillsCarnage]

I'll tell you why this job is bad...and I don't think it's been mentioned

Keim and MB are trying to shove James Betcher down the interviewers throat.

I can only imagine the conversation with Pat Patricia

Pat has had a top 3 defense every year and Keim and MB are telling Pat he needs to keep Betcher on staff....he probably left laughing at them.

When you hire a HC, you let them choose the ENTIRE staff. You don't tell someone to come in and create a new menu when the last one failed, but they must still use some of the ingredients you thought worked. NA' the new chef gets to decide EVERYTHING.

No they're not. That's gossip. No owner in their right mind is going to force an assistant onto a new HC.

Do they like Bettcher? Sure. The D played was solid for the most part. #6 overall, #14 pass, #6 rush, #8 first downs, #6 3rd downs, etc. But, they were the most penalized D in the league.

They have a D that doesn't need a major overhaul or even a scheme change. The personnel is there, but if it means losing the candidate they really want, I think they'd let Betther go.

 

[GimmedaBall]

I would suggest that you keep wildly yanking from one side of an opinion to the other so that you can eventually proven to be right. It seems to be what several people do here while playing pretend GM.

Different personality types have different decision-making approaches. I'm a person who likes to problem-solve by examining an issue from as many sides/perspectives as possible. Not done to be 'right' but to be comprehensive.

I also know that can drive some personality types up the wall---especially those who think they are right and have the answer and my approach is downright annoying to them.

The full range of decision-making approaches is on display in this forum.

A good assessment tool is the Meyer-Briggs Personality Questionnaire---available online to discover your personality type:

https://www.16personalities.com/personality-types

Access to the assessment tool is in the upper right corner of the page. No right or wrong personality type.

(Waiting to see how many are curious and interested enough in checking it out and how many hammer me for daring to post and make the suggestion. LOL)

 

[clif]

Giants - Who can say with a straight face that the Giants and the Mara's are running that team competently? Oh gee, hire a head coach, he takes you to the playoffs, and a few games into his 2nd year the inmates are running the asylum. Guys are getting suspended left and right. Mutiny is afoot. Mara's are oblivious, to the point where their franchise QB with 2 Superbowl rings is benched in a power play of who is asserting control. Then they fire him after 2 seasons, 1 of which was in the playoffs.

Oh also they seem to be missing Tom Coughlin, whose team he helps oversee is now in the AFC championship. Also remember Coughlin felt so betrayed by the Mara's, he wouldn't shake Mara's hand.

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(That and the players who rubbed McAdoo the wrong way, will be there to potentially do the same thing with Shurmur, especially after Dorsey gave all the mutineers a clean slate).

Colts- Irsay, no need to say more.

Titans- Fire their head coach after 2 seasons, both of which were 9-7, they made the playoffs. A rumor comes out that he's fired if he doesn't win a playoff game. They win the playoff game. Ownership chimes in with support. Lose the next one. Then we are supposed to believe that he was going to get an extension, but instead was fired because he would not make changes on the staff. What a crapshow. If ownership wanted staff changes after a playoff win and two 9-7 seasons, they're idiots. If not, they still fired a coach after two years, both winning seasons, and a playoff victory, which makes them idiots.

2 of the 3 places people are concerned about beating us just proved they are franchises in disarray. That and to expect they could fire you in 2 years, even if you make the playoffs. Great looking jobs.



You weren't clearly wrong.

Nothing has happened but Nagy being named head coach. Everything else is pure speculation.

We don't know who our first choice was. We don't. We don't know if it was Shurmur. We don't know if Munchak was 2nd. We don't know squat but what the media has been telling us, and their track record isn't good. It's all speculation. Before Shurmur or Munchak supposedly made up their minds we were told of our interest in Wilks and Flores.

All we can go by is that we interviewed a bunch of guys, and a couple of guys with links elsewhere decided to go with what they know and/or offer in hand. Did we get all upset that Gruden didn't consider us? No, because we understood the linkages with the Raiders. Well, same thing can be said of Patricia and Munchak. Who knows with Shurmur, but he's just one guy, a guy who may have received an offer when we probably didn't extend one.

We've obviously been waiting to talk to people still in the playoffs.

We cast a wide net, and now that a couple of them are supposedly off the market, they were our guys and we suck, and we're not attractive, so on and so forth. We're on our 3rd or 4th option.

Perhaps. But there is absolutely no evidence besides gossip from various sources.

We're also having selective memory here. We've been told from this gossip that we loved Shurmur, Munchak, Flores, Wilks... maybe even a few more. But apparently the only ones that matter are the guys who have supposedly come to agreements. Not any of these other guys.

Nothing has happened. People are just so scared of the Cardinals becoming the Cardinals of old, people are already claiming it's true and looking for reason why it is true.

All in all I'm not concerned with being the top choice, because for each individual candidate there will be different metrics. We can't be on top for everyone, not unless we had a perfect track record. We don't.

The Giants, Titans, and Colts over the past few weeks to years have shown alot of idiocy and lack of competence. As I laid out above, no one should consider these franchises well run.

You're right money talks, and the Cardinals, are likely being true to their word. They likely haven't offered ANYONE a deal yet.

They are going through their process. Other teams are desperate, badly run, or know exactly who they want (tunnel vision or not). We don't.

There's nothing wrong with that. If anything, it's more honest to say we don't know, then for some of these other teams to pretend they know but likely haven't done much due diligence. Being honest to themselves and being open to seeing what's out there is a humble approach that can pay dividends.

As an individual, if someone is offering you a job, and another one isn't, bird in the hand. That doesn't mean we're undesirable, because it isn't an even choice. One place you have a job offer, the other you don't. You can't then claim as a franchise we're less desirable for whatever reason. If we both had equal offers on the table, and they chose someone else, THEN we would be less desirable, if of course the other team doesn't have some sort of ties to them (and/or familial reasons).

So it gets into the whole, are we even trying to judge this through an appropriate lens? Most situations aren't equal, but we're trying to judge them all as equal. Someone supposedly lands someone first and guess what, there might be nothing actually actionable by that to judge whether or not we are more/less desirable. Let alone was that even the guy we prefer?

Everything by our media and the media in general are guesses. Jurecki says this... but it's a guess. Gambo says this, it's a guess. ESPN says this, it's a guess.

But hey this is a message board, so of course this stuff is going to happen, but let's not get inside our own heads a bit too much and stroke negative emotions. It's not worth it.

We indeed could come out of this with the best match possible for us and whether it's first or last or anywhere in between doesn't matter.... except of course to us fans who are frustrated. We need to just hang in there.

 

[Veer]

Once it became known around league circles that Arians vetoed trading up for a QB (apparently Mahomes) in last year's draft, the Cards, especially MB/SK, lost a lot of the reputation they won in recent years. It was so obvious that this was the draft for the Cards to pull the trigger on a QB, yet Keim didn't pull it off. And that's after he promised upon being appointed GM to go after a QB each and every year, if necessary with our high draft picks. Correct me if I'm wrong but beside Logan Thomas, who has been a BA pick anyway and shouldn't be attributed to Keim, he didn't select a QB at all. Keim crumbles under pressure when it comes to the most important position. The league takes notice of such things. And the chatter about being attractive for not having a QB in place and the HC's freedom to choose one, it's just laughable! We don't even have one single QB on our roster, and the 15th pick in the draft. Horrid situation for any HC! I'm not surprised those coaches who already have reputation at OC/DC level aren't interested in our job. So it will be a younger positional coach or special teams coach. Again, I'm fine with that choice and wish our new HC all the best! But this whole process should really open our eyes when it comes to assessing the Cardinals franchise!

 

[NJCardFan]

Come on guys, there is no doubt that this was a playoff team if it didn't lose its most important players in the first few weeks, along with its entire offensive line to injury.
That's a demonstrable fact. With regard to finding the right combination of coaches, it just has to be someone with the chops and willingness to build an offense from scratch. Maybe not bad, if someone wants to do it in their own image their own way.
We need the whole offense revamped. So....... let's get it done. We'll have two new qb's at least to start next season. We'll bring in an FA wide receiver as our big FA get this offseason I'm thinking, and we'll draft a QB and interior lineman.

There's a difference between being a playoff team and a contender. Tennessee and Buffalo were playoff teams but were they real contenders? No. They benefited playing in a week conference. I don't want to be just a playoff team. I want to be a contender.

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

Has anyone mentioned interviewing Mike Mularkey, or have we discussed that in another thread?

 

[Cheesebeef]

How do you explain Jacksonville then? There is a team that was mired in terrible seasons and lacked a good QB. They had zero fan support. They were the bottom of their division on a yearly basis.

Yet they still found a good coach and have turned things around quickly without a Franchise QB.

How?

With a kick butt Defense and a stud RB.

They also went out and spent HUGE in FA.

 

[clif]

Has anyone mentioned interviewing Mike Mularkey, or have we discussed that in another thread?

Slap me with a dirty dry eraser before that happens.

 

[Solar7]

There's a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth going on here when only 2 of the spots are officially filled. No one knows who we actually want. The hysterics need to stop - most of this year's top candidates are still in the playoffs and are delaying the process. It's as simple as that. Until we hear any report come out that we're being avoided for specific reasons by specific coaches, it's not worth the caterwaul.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

Once it became known around league circles that Arians vetoed trading up for a QB (apparently Mahomes) in last year's draft, the Cards, especially MB/SK, lost a lot of the reputation they won in recent years. It was so obvious that this was the draft for the Cards to pull the trigger on a QB, yet Keim didn't pull it off. And that's after he promised upon being appointed GM to go after a QB each and every year, if necessary with our high draft picks. Correct me if I'm wrong but beside Logan Thomas, who has been a BA pick anyway and shouldn't be attributed to Keim, he didn't select a QB at all. Keim crumbles under pressure when it comes to the most important position. The league takes notice of such things. And the chatter about being attractive for not having a QB in place and the HC's freedom to choose one, it's just laughable! We don't even have one single QB on our roster, and the 15th pick in the draft. Horrid situation for any HC! I'm not surprised those coaches who already have reputation at OC/DC level aren't interested in our job. So it will be a younger positional coach or special teams coach. Again, I'm fine with that choice and wish our new HC all the best! But this whole process should really open our eyes when it comes to assessing the Cardinals franchise!

Pretty sure BA ran the whole team and Keim was just a bystander. Not exactly what you want from a GM.

 

[Cheesebeef]

No they're not. That's gossip. No owner in their right mind is going to force an assistant onto a new HC.

Do they like Bettcher? Sure. The D played was solid for the most part. #6 overall, #14 pass, #6 rush, #8 first downs, #6 3rd downs, etc. But, they were the most penalized D in the league.

They have a D that doesn't need a major overhaul or even a scheme change. The personnel is there, but if it means losing the candidate they really want, I think they'd let Betther go.

You listed five different defensive rankings... While leaving out one big one... 19th scoring D.

The D was average. Pretty bad at the beginning of the season, then once the playoffs were out of reach, played better the last five games.

Why Bettcher is any conversation to have any role on the team moving forward makes no sense to me.

 

[football karma]

Occam's razor: most HC candidates with choices may love the organization, the roster and all that -- but know that they could very well end up starting the fourth QB taken in this years draft. They know that as a result, it could be a difficult three years working and then be blown out if said QB wasnt the right guy.

I also dont think it helps that any new HC is replacing a beloved and larger than life guy who retired --- vs replacing a guy the org decided to fire.


Factors i dont think matter:

MB and SK didnt make Arians keep anyone. Why do we assume as fact that they making people keep Bettcher?

The whole "Arians stopped Keim from taking a QB" story is heresay, yet we treat it as fact. Even if true, wouldnt that encourage a HC -- that their opinion will be listened too and acted on by the GM?

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

You listed five different defensive rankings... While leaving out one big one... 19th scoring D.

The D was average. Pretty bad at the beginning of the season, then once the playoffs were out of reach, played better the last five games.

Why Bettcher is any conversation to have any role on the team moving forward makes no sense to me.

It's because SK wants to please BA in every possible way...for whatever reason.

 

[Dan H]

There's a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth going on here when only 2 of the spots are officially filled. No one knows who we actually want. The hysterics need to stop - most of this year's top candidates are still in the playoffs and are delaying the process. It's as simple as that. Until we hear any report come out that we're being avoided for specific reasons by specific coaches, it's not worth the caterwaul.

EXACTLY.

Who's to say that we don't have a handshake deal with someone already, and that this FO isn't nearly as leaky as places like the Giants (who, as have been noted, have been run like a trainwreck here recently)?

The only thing we know 100% is what the FO has put out, and that's the list of candidates. That's it. Give it a week or two before losing your mind.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

I'll tell you why this job is bad...and I don't think it's been mentioned

Keim and MB are trying to shove James Betcher down the interviewers throat.

I can only imagine the conversation with Pat Patricia

Pat has had a top 3 defense every year and Keim and MB are telling Pat he needs to keep Betcher on staff....he probably left laughing at them.

When you hire a HC, you let them choose the ENTIRE staff. You don't tell someone to come in and create a new menu when the last one failed, but they must still use some of the ingredients you thought worked. NA' the new chef gets to decide EVERYTHING.

Well that's the thing - the menu didn't fail. We didn't can BA. He retired. Walked away as the most successful HC we've ever had. When was the last time we hired someone as HC and the vacancy was not self-created (by firing the previous coach and staff)? Aren't some of the other coaches on our staff still under contract?

 

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EXACTLY.

Who's to say that we don't have a handshake deal with someone already, and that this FO isn't nearly as leaky as places like the Giants (who, as have been noted, have been run like a trainwreck here recently)?

The only thing we know 100% is what the FO has put out, and that's the list of candidates. That's it. Give it a week or two before losing your mind.

It would've been reported...either by the team or by the coach's agent.