"I Was Wrong" -- James Conner Version

[Krangodnzr]

Ironically, as much as I defend the darksiders I think many of my macro (team) and micro (individual players) perspectives have been close to yours.

LOL we argue around the margins of arguments, not the overall meat of the argument.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Right, but here's the thing: The Cardinals were an 8-8 football team, and led by a young coach and young QB. They added quite a bit to roster. It was pretty damn UNREALISTIC to assume that they would be significantly worse like some suggested. Our range was correct based on historical evidence of having a young ascending QB with a team that was around .500 and added significant talent to the team. It was pessimistic, not realistic, to think otherwise.

And the proof is in the pudding that it was not realism.

It's not physical courage, it's more academic courage. Just going off of the idea that the Cardinals are usually not good, so they won't be good is the cowards way of being afraid to be wrong.

I'm rarely crazy off on the Cardinals record, because I usually try to not get too optimistic or too pessimistic. Recently, the only season that I was way off was the 2018 season because I thought that Wilks wasn't going to be a total trainwreck.

I've learned with this team you have to have guarded optimism if you have any, so I'm not as anti-darksider as you may think I am, but when I see what could be a good-great season, I'm more than willing to go out on a limb and say so. I don't see that often from darksiders.

A) you ignore we had a very easy schedule last season and this seasons was projected to be much difficult. You also ignore that our division was projected to be much better too to bottom. Most people even saying the team would be better thought .500 due to those two reasons.

B) there’s nothing about cowardice in not wanting to be wrong. In fact, I think the use of courage/coward is a somewhat stupid purposefully inflammatory misuse of language. By using “going out on a limb” you’re literally stating that it’s not the conventional thinking. And typically conventional wisdom exists due to it being based in reality. No one earns a badge of courage. You don’t receive the cowardly lion’s courage for going out on a limb. Lol.

C) as for being epically wrong on wilks - that’s just the polar opposite of this season. So you get the same denigration for blowing that season that you’re doling out at darksiders for underrating this season.

Also, I could be wrong, but i don’t think anyone saw a “good-to-great” season. Eve you saw a mediocre-to-good season with a 7-11 win forecast. Let’s not revise our own history shall we?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

LOL we argue around the margins of arguments, not the overall meat of the argument.

That’s where the fun is!!!!

 

[Krangodnzr]

A) you ignore we had a very easy schedule last season and this seasons was projected to be much difficult. You also ignore that our division was projected to be much better too to bottom. Most people even saying the team would be better thought .500 due to those two reasons.

Heh I thought the Rams were maybe better, but the Seahawks? And we have ample proof that the Niners were going to give at least one win to the Cardinals. You know my thoughts on Shanahan's team ad nauseum.

Schedules have a way of looking a lot more difficult from a distance, and the Cardinals did beat a number of playoff teams last year including the 13-3 Buffalo Bills.

B) there’s nothing about cowardice in not wanting to be wrong. In fact, I think the use of courage/coward is a somewhat stupid purposefully inflammatory misuse of language. By using “going out on a limb” you’re literally stating that it’s not the conventional thinking. And typically conventional wisdom exists due to it being based in reality. No one earns a badge of courage. You don’t receive the cowardly lion’s courage for going out on a limb. Lol.

It's a type of moral courage. People hate being wrong and will take the easier prognostication just to not be wrong. Hell I advocated drafting Conner Cook! I don't care about being wrong on this message board. LOL

C) as for being epically wrong on wilks - that’s just the polar opposite of this season. So you get the same denigration for blowing that season that you’re doling out at darksiders for underrating this season.

What I learned from the Wilks season is that we have to at least see SOMETHING on the field before we can believe. As much as last season sucked, there was a clear reason for why the team went down the tube during the tail end of the season.

Also, I could be wrong, but i don’t think anyone saw a “good-to-great” season. Eve you saw a mediocre-to-good season with a 7-11 win forecast. Let’s not revise our own history shall we?

11 wins is a great year by Cardinals standards. Obviously not what it used to be, but an 11-6 record would be one of the best seasons in franchise history.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Last season collapse had many of us questioning the team character and coaching staff

I am one

To have all the moves come together and work is really nice

But we've seen many times this team get built and kick us in the groin once again

I stand by my preseason feelings of less than 9 wins. No denying it

In extremely happy we are exceeding it and the team is playing at a high level

Bottom line is that the season isn't over so I'm not counting my chickens before they hatch

Too many variables and when you are on top you have a target on you

Are we ready for that?

We'll see

 

[CardLogic]

Well according to this poll, after preseason, 60% of the members of the board predicted a losing season.
Cardnots predicted < 5 wins.
Lots of hilariously bad takes in that thread!

...dave

Looking back, it almost seems that the Cardinals made the decision to not give a **** about preseason! Because this team's performance in preseason was atrocious! So much so that in week 1 of the season, I know I wasn't alone in thinking, "Where in the hell did this team come from?" LOL!!!

In today's NFL pre-season is not the same as it was just 3-5 years ago.

 

[slanidrac16]

Looking back, it almost seems that the Cardinals made the decision to not give a **** about preseason! Because this team's performance in preseason was atrocious! So much so that in week 1 of the season, I know I wasn't alone in thinking, "Where in the hell did this team come from?" LOL!!!

In today's NFL pre-season is not the same as it was just 3-5 years ago.

Pre-season will never be looked at the same way. In the “ old days” teams didn’t see the players from January until camp. Now players are working and studying year round. Now the mindset is get to the opener 100% healthy.

 

[Ronin]

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[Ronin]

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[Shane]

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Great pic

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I’ve been both a darksider and kool-aid drinker.
It’s just based on what I think of the team. I thought the Cards had to most talented roster in the league Palmer/Arians last 2 years together and said so.

I thought this year was going to be bad with KK calling the shots , not sure Murray would progress, and not thrilled with the draft.

I guess I’ll combine it and say I’m a dark beer drinker

 

[slanidrac16]

I’ve been both a darksider and kool-aid drinker.
It’s just based on what I think of the team. I thought the Cards had to most talented roster in the league Palmer/Arians last 2 years together and said so.

I thought this year was going to be bad with KK calling the shots , not sure Murray would progress, and not thrilled with the draft.

I guess I’ll combine it and say I’m a dark beer drinker

That’s me to a T. I evaluate the team and form my opinion. I thought we would suck this year.

Man, I couldn’t have been more wrong and I’m happy!

 

[TheCardFan]

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[BulldogCard]

Dillon really put a big hit on Seattle and maybe John Conner will

 

[Solar7]

I'd give the guy an extension at this point. 2-3 years.

 

[TheCardFan]

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[Mainstreet]

The way I look at philosophically, the Cardinals can afford to overpay Conner going forward because they underpaid for what he has contributed this season.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

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That list is ridiculous considering the price/production factor.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

The way I look at philosophically, the Cardinals can afford to overpay Conner going forward because they underpaid for what he has contributed this season.

Would be great if a salary cap worked that way.

 

[Mainstreet]

Would be great if a salary cap worked that way.

That's why I used the word philosophically. Conner has earned a new contract and I hope the Cardinals consider his production this season in the negotiations. I'd rather they slightly overpay than lose him.

 

[DVontel]

That's why I used the word philosophically. Conner has earned a new contract and I hope the Cardinals consider his production this season in the negotiations. I'd rather they slightly overpay than lose him.

Overpaying, even slightly, a RB is bad business.

 

[Mainstreet]

Overpaying, even slightly, a RB is bad business.

Paying players that are injured a lot or don't produce is bad business as well.

 

[DVontel]

Paying players that are injured a lot or don't produce is bad business as well.

And James Conner was both prior to this year. I doubt you really want to take that risk if you believe in your own words.

 

[Mainstreet]

And James Conner was both prior to this year. I doubt you really want to take that risk if you believe in your own words.

So are you going to draft his replacement and hope he produces?

 

[DVontel]

So are you going to draft his replacement and hope he produces?

That or sign another FA RB.