Kyler Murray Debate Thread

[BirdGangThing]

You would know my man.

don't bogart pass that ish

 

[kerouac9]

You compared the dude to Geno Smith and Derek Carr just this year.

My point is that a lot can change when you have talent on a roster which we have very little of.

Geno Smith is good. Derek Carr was an MVP candidate late in the year at one point in his career.

I know you're sad that you didn't get to make the "Do people still wanna say Hurts is as good as Kyler?!" post that you had planned for the past two weeks. Sorry about that.

But Hurts has played in two Super Bowls and is the reigning Super Bowl MVP. He's a two-time Pro Bowler. He's CLEARLY better than Kyler.

Hurts is not a better quarterback if you limit your definition of quarterback to ability to throw the football.

Sadly, it's much more than that and Hurts is much better at all those things.

I dunno. Hurts is arguably a better passer than Kyler is rn.

 

[Shane]

Went to the doctor today, and this was surprisingly still in the waiting room lol

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[BritCard]

I dunno. Hurts is arguably a better passer than Kyler is rn.

Hard to come up with anything solid to back that up though after a 193.5 YPG season with 18 passing TD's. Sure, there are all kinds of scheme reasons for that but still, no evidence.

Kyler has been pretty rough down field but it's my belief that a lot of his issues stem from processing rather than ability to throw the ball.

 

[kerouac9]

Hard to come up with anything solid to back that up though after a 193.5 YPG season with 18 passing TD's. Sure, there are all kinds of scheme reasons for that but still, no evidence.

Kyler has been pretty rough down field but it's my belief that a lot of his issues stem from processing rather than ability to throw the ball.

I mean, I guess if you're going to look at counting stats.

Hurts: 68.7% completions, 8.0 YPA, 103.7 passer rating, 6.93 adjusted net yards per attempt, 4.2 completed air yards per attempt

Murray: 68.8% completions, 7.1 YPA, 93.5 passer rating, 6.23 adjusted net yards per attempt, 3.5 completed air yards per attempt

I don't really care what the reasons are. Kyler was documentably a worse passer in 2025 than Jalen Hurts.

 

[PDXChris]

I mean, I guess if you're going to look at counting stats.

Hurts: 68.7% completions, 8.0 YPA, 103.7 passer rating, 6.93 adjusted net yards per attempt, 4.2 completed air yards per attempt

Murray: 68.8% completions, 7.1 YPA, 93.5 passer rating, 6.23 adjusted net yards per attempt, 3.5 completed air yards per attempt

I don't really care what the reasons are. Kyler was documentably a worse passer in 2025 than Jalen Hurts.

Jalen also just finished his 4th year as a starter and has been to two Super Bowls, winning one. Also, scoring over 30 points in each SB game! I'd have to think 27 teams would take him over what they have.

The exceptions are Ravens, Chiefs, Bills and Washington. Maybe Houston?

This is the end of season NFL.com ranking. It's hilarious!

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[kerouac9]

Jalen also just finished his 4th year as a starter and has been to two Super Bowls, winning one. Also, scoring over 30 points in each SB game! I'd have to think 27 teams would take him over what they have.

The exceptions are Ravens, Chiefs, Bills and Washington. Maybe Houston?

That NFL.com ranking is crazy, but it's a good reminder that Philly's ascendency wasn't as clear as it looks today.

Jalen Hurts is a little like Russ Wilson 2.0. Good arm, good accuracy, good running ability. Makes you crazy, but likely to disappoint anyone who embarks on a Let Him Cook campaign.

I imagine that the Bengals, Chargers, Bears (upside), Pats (also upside) and maybe Jags and Fins wouldn't make that deal, even if contracts didn't matter.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Went to the doctor today, and this was surprisingly still in the waiting room lol

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They're keeping it in case they have a shortage of toilet paper.

 

[602 Native]

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[kerouac9]

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You can get better value at BetMGM. He's +5000 there. Longer MVP odds that Tua or Dak Prescott.

 

[BirdGangThing]

You can get better value at BetMGM. He's +5000 there. Longer MVP odds that Tua or Dak Prescott.

how many other qbs in front of him there?

 

[PDXChris]

That NFL.com ranking is crazy, but it's a good reminder that Philly's ascendency wasn't as clear as it looks today.

Jalen Hurts is a little like Russ Wilson 2.0. Good arm, good accuracy, good running ability. Makes you crazy, but likely to disappoint anyone who embarks on a Let Him Cook campaign.

I imagine that the Bengals, Chargers, Bears (upside), Pats (also upside) and maybe Jags and Fins wouldn't make that deal, even if contracts didn't matter.

Those are all fair choices too. Tua is the only one I disagree with just because he might be one concussion away from retirement. I love Tua otherwise.

 

[kerouac9]

how many other qbs in front of him there?

16

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Derek Carr was an MVP candidate late in the year at one point in his career.

Carr's new coach, Kellen Moore - as QB of the Boise St. Broncos - defeated Carr's Fresno St. Bulldogs in 2011 by a score of 57-7. Awkward. LOL