Solar7
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In the past few hours, he's had interviews up on YouTube with AZSports. He's the first player drafted from Harlem. He seems focused on growth, and like a good human.
I hope he emerges!
I hope he emerges!
I'm really rooting for Elijah Jones
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Krangodnzr
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Eh I don't agree... because Jones is a fifth year player.
The cornerback group is now a lot more talented, the Cardinals just need someone to emerge.
kerouac9
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He’s 18 months older than Garrett Williams.
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And a worse prospect.
Only reason Garrett got drafted where he did was because he was recovering from a torn ACL.
Krangodnzr
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What I like about the Cardinals plan at CB is that they hedged their bets AND built some young depth. Even if Max Melton doesn't work out, the Cardinals also have Jones and Williams.
SMB is a decent NFL CB, not a star, but a decent player.
SMB is a decent NFL CB, not a star, but a decent player.
What's that got to to with my liking what I've seen of him more than Williams last year?
I thought Williams was worth a flyer in the 3rd but watching him at Syracuse it wasn't apparent he was better CB than that spot.
Williams might develop more and end up better, he might not. That's not something you have ever allowed to factor into your Beej discussions.
kerouac9
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Because he’s a man playing among boys if you’re watching 2023 tape. Williams played in 32 college games. Jones played in 60.
You can be impressed or whatever. Doesn’t mean anything to me. But you’re being impressed by a full-grown man playing against children and future personal trainers most of the time.
I wasn’t impressed with Beej’s college tape, either. Saw the same stuff his rookie year.
kerouac9
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He’s also on essentially a deal where the Cards have an option on him every year. he’s not that much better than Hamilton.
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At least you're saying he's better than Hamilton, so , I guess that's an upgrade. Way to go, Monti.
Krangodnzr
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He's better than Hamilton for sure, though Hamilton is a solid NFL player.
Hamilton is solid in that...he can play NFL football. Just dont look at his stats after the game. But honestly he is the guy that should be getting called up from the practice squad a few times a season.
Krangodnzr
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Coverage stats place him at giving up a 90.8 QB Rating, with the average QB Rating in the modern NFL being a 92, Hamilton is pretty much giving you league average play.
The only CB on the Cardinals roster who played better was Garrett Williams. Cardinals fans are mostly sleeping on him, but he did give up only a 79.6 QB Rating while also only missing 4.2% of his tackles. Williams was already plus defender last year on limited snaps.
Me too
kerouac9
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Coverage stats are garbage tho
Garthshort
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Always liked the late round, as long as I didn't have to buy.
Krangodnzr
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Really? Garrett Williams had 1st round tape. It was only because of the knee injury that he dropped. Williams will make the biggest 2nd season improvement.
kerouac9
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How do Marco Wilson’s 2022 coverage stats look?But DVOA is supreme!
SoonerLou
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I would have drafted a WR with his pick. Hope he pans out though.
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Solar7
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Which one?
Edit: I should also ask - would you have taken them and considered them an upgrade over Wilson, or not signed Zay Jones?
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I think the Jags think Zay Jones is cooked.
Jalen McMillian, Luke McCaffrey, Javon Baker.
I also liked Devontez Walker and would have been ok with Troy Franklin there as well.
I like Wilson. Seems like he's had an awesome offseason. I think health is just such a gamble that I would have wanted more protection. And guys like McMillian, MCCaffrey and Baker might have been able to step into the slot day 1 over Dortch.
I obviously hope all the guys we have become awesome. Just cynical side of me sees injury prone wr, possibly cooked Wr and a 5'7" WR as our main depth. Again they may be awesome this year though. Hope so.
Krangodnzr
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Fine, and he seemingly took a step forward in 2022....and then blew major chunks just like he did in 2021.
You're knowledgeable enough to know that is common with CBs. Even some really bad CBs have played reasonably well for a season or two. Marco Wilson was awful 2/3 seasons so far.
Krang and K9 have some serious Sam and Diane vibes. When does the bickering stop and the...
