I'm Taking Names

[Arizona's Finest]

Guys i am starting to get pissed about all the Lienart bashers that are coming out of the woodwork

I know the sentiment around the Valley must be crazy about the Cards right now (and the Suns and Dbacks too with all the recent success) but living out in South Florida, i began to realize there is a HUGE East Coast bias and no respect for SC's program. Generally I have been getting alot of garbage about how Lienart doesn't have what it takes.

Now i don't need to list all his attributes (but as an aside let me list one story i read in a Michael Smith article about Leinart and Young after the Rose Bowl that should make all Cardinals fans smile. Many scouts and GM's were approaching Pete Carroll and asking him who he would rather have; Palmer or Lienart? His response was to the effect "Would you rather have God's perfect QB (he ment physically) or would you rather win Championships?". I have been trying like hell to get this quote of the article but its for Insider's only. Might be my favorite thing i have read about the kid though) but the main negative i keep hearing is abouot his arm strength and how he won't be able to make NFL throws.

This ignorance is really starting to piss me off. How many QB's have been drafted in the first round, and were unsuccessful because they couldn't "make all the throws"? I really cant think of any. If you were really that physically unable, you wouldn't get drafted or at least until after the first day. Now lets think of supposed weak armed QB's who have had success:

Tom Brady
Chad Pennington
Joe Montana
Peyton Manning

Now how about "tools guys" who are spectacular faliures:
Cade McNown
Akili Smith
Tim Couch
Kyle Boller
Jim Druckenmiller
JP Losman
and on and on......

Ideally you would combine the two (Rothelesberger, Marino, Palmer) but if i had to choose, I would much rather have my QB have a lesser arm than the other guys and be mentally acute. Hell Leinart spent his senior season STUDYING NFL DEFENSES AND QB'S!!!!!!!!! and every throw i have seen him make was a tight spiral right on the money....Rod Woodson made a comment the other day saying after watching Leinart on film and referring to different throws he made " I would have picked that off and that off...."

Uh no you wouldn't have Rod. You know why? Besides the fact that you are now 60 years old, he wouldn't have made that throw where he did if there was a chance you would be in that area. He would have checked down or thrown it away.

Jaws, Mayock, Mortensen and on and on just make me so mad. I'm really happy that Cutler can make "all the throws"....So while we are winning Super Bowls, Cutler will be a three time winner of the QB challenge. I'm not saying Cutler doesn't have it. but the precedence shows that it is MUCH more likely that he will be a bust than Matt.

I know my football and I have been conviced from his Junior season on that what ever team got Lienart, would be a perrinnial winner. I just never in my wildest dreams thought the Cards had a chance at him. Everyone out here keeps comparing him to Ken Dorsey. If i hear that one more time i am going to knock someone the f--k out! I watched Dorsey, its obvious that frial girl did not have the ability to play in the NFL. Combined that with the fact that his mental capacity is much less than Leinart and you have a bust. The best comparison, and the one that has been made over and over is Brady. Both throw the ball the same, both sit in the pocket the same, and both are tirless workers.

So I am so convinced that Leinart will be a success and i want to start a list of all the doubters so i can send them one huge email laughing at why the get paid for this "analysis" and how i rightfully deserve their check for the year 2008. Add to the list so we can call these jokes out for what they are. Ignorant.

The Anti-Lienart List:

Jaworski
Mayock
Merril Hodge
Mortensen
Rod Woodson
My Cousin Sam (hes a bitter ND fan.....)

 

[football karma]

a small clarification:

Jaworski and Mayock arent anti-Leinart so much as they just think that Cutler is a better NFL prospect.

Both had very nice things to say about Leinart as a QB and think that he will be very good.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

a small clarification:

Jaworski and Mayock arent anti-Leinart so much as they just think that Cutler is a better NFL prospect.

Both had very nice things to say about Leinart as a QB and think that he will be very good.

actually you maybe right on Mayock as i dont have the NFL network, but i know for a fact that Jaws said the he thought Kellen Clemens was the better prospect. Thats blatant disrespect. I love Jaws but he can't get out of his own way sometimes.....

 

[seesred]

Time will tell, but for trying to judge talent..I would take Lienart over all of this years QB's for just one reason...He is a champion, award winning and had the best record won -lost of all of them. I guess you could count that as three reasons, but if you put every QB that was in this years draft and you had to pick one that can take you to a championship game if you didn't pick Lienart you were making a major mistake,.

Two years from now who really can tell. But just using what we know now we got a gift from God!

GBR
40

 

[JC_AZ]

My Dad is skeptical of ML because of this ties to the "Hollywierd Set" and the temptation to stay in his USC Hero mindset rather than actually accept a seat in the rear of the bus as a rookie Cardinal...we disagree, but I suppose there is some skepticism allowed at this point!

 

[wierwolf]

People will have their thoughts one way or another. It really don't matter until we see how they perform on the field. You know? I still think we got the better QB... But we'll see...

 

[vinnymac]

People will have their thoughts one way or another. It really don't matter until we see how they perform on the field. You know? I still think we got the better QB... But we'll see...

well said. you have to play before you can be judge. so the cardinals and us will find out in antoher 3 to 4 years from now to see if he is a bust or not.

 

[HookemCards]

Time will tell, but for trying to judge talent..I would take Lienart over all of this years QB's for just one reason...He is a champion, award winning and had the best record won -lost of all of them. I guess you could count that as three reasons, but if you put every QB that was in this years draft and you had to pick one that can take you to a championship game if you didn't pick Lienart you were making a major mistake,.

Two years from now who really can tell. But just using what we know now we got a gift from God!

GBR
40

I have to disagree with you here. I think Leinart will be a very good QB in a year or two, and I'm very happy we have him. I think we got lucky that he fell to us. But I wonder if you actually watched college football, and more specifically the Rose Bowl this year. Vince Young beat USC with alot less talent around him than ML did. USC had 8 or 9 guys off that offense drafted in the 2006 draft, and also had 3 future first round pick WRs to throw to. ML didn't carry his team to any championships, he was part of a championship team his junior year. But VY carried the Longhorns to the championship.

 

[Zeno]

I have to disagree with you here. I think Leinart will be a very good QB in a year or two, and I'm very happy we have him. I think we got lucky that he fell to us. But I wonder if you actually watched college football, and more specifically the Rose Bowl this year. Vince Young beat USC with alot less talent around him than ML did. USC had 8 or 9 guys off that offense drafted in the 2006 draft, and also had 3 future first round pick WRs to throw to. ML didn't carry his team to any championships, he was part of a championship team his junior year. But VY carried the Longhorns to the championship.

Talk about your revisionist history. USC didn't lose the Rose Bowl because of Matt Leinart he threw for 365 yards--which is about 100 more than Young. Young is a phenom athlete for sure but Leinart is by far a better QB and more of a sure thing.

As a Junior in the Orange Bowl he threw for 332 yds and 5 TDs...against an Oklahoma team that Vince Young managed 8 of 23 passing for 86 yards and no TDs.

As a Sophomore in the Rose Bowl he threw for 327 yds and 3 TDs and had another TD on a reception.

Thats an average of over 340 yds per National Championship game where he went 2 -1.

I am not a Vince Young hater but anyone that thinks he is anything more than a project is fooling themselves. Leinart will be ready next year, Young will still be getting used to lining up under center.

 

[nurnay]

I have a friend here in Chico, CA (a Raider fan) who is Mr. Negative & maybe the most obnoxiously loud sports fan you've ever met. Particularly when talking about other teams & their players. We had a bet back in January. He said Leinart would fall in the draft and I said he would go top 3. Obviously, I lost the bet, but it was a win for me overall (he fell to us).

When I paid the bet, he said "wow, you lost twice. Not only are you out $10, you're stuck with Leinart!".

I just said, "time will tell...".

 

[HookemCards]

Talk about your revisionist history. USC didn't lose the Rose Bowl because of Matt Leinart he threw for 365 yards--which is about 100 more than Young. Young is a phenom athlete for sure but Leinart is by far a better QB and more of a sure thing.

Where did I say USC lost because of Leinart?? I said UT won because of VY.

 

[Duckjake]

Thats an average of over 340 yds per National Championship game where he went 2 -1.

Leinart only played in two National Championship games.

USC was named National Champion by some polls after they beat Michigan in the Rose Bowl the season LSU beat OU in the BCS title game. Of course everyone but the BCS people know USC should have been playing LSU and Auburn should have played USC the following year.

Oddly enough both Leinart and Young QB'd their teams to wins over Michigan in the Rose Bowl the year before winning the National Championship.

 

[Zeno]

Leinart only played in two National Championship games.

USC was named National Champion by some polls after they beat Michigan in the Rose Bowl the season LSU beat OU in the BCS title game. Of course everyone but the BCS people know USC should have been playing LSU and Auburn should have played USC the following year.

Oddly enough both Leinart and Young QB'd their teams to wins over Michigan in the Rose Bowl the year before winning the National Championship.

USC still was considered National Champions even though they weren't in the BCS title game. They just had a co-share of the National title because the polls were split.

I totally agree with you on the BCS matchups being so wrong. After they dismantled Oklahoma there is no way that the BCS couldn't have said Auburn would have been the better match up.

 

[Redrage]

I loved Vince Young and I think he'll make a good pro QB. I also tink that there are three things that people overlook when discussing the Rosebowl:

1) The TExans actually have a very good o-line.

2) The skill players around Young are incredibly underrated.

3) Many of the attributes that contributed to his win over the Trojans will not benefit him as much in the NFL. He will be facing Dlineman and Line Backers that are as fast as him.

 

[Duckjake]

I loved Vince Young and I think he'll make a good pro QB. I also tink that there are three things that people overlook when discussing the Rosebowl:

1) The TExans actually have a very good o-line.

2) The skill players around Young are incredibly underrated.

3) Many of the attributes that contributed to his win over the Trojans will not benefit him as much in the NFL. He will be facing Dlineman and Line Backers that are as fast as him.

1. The offensive line was good but Jon Scott was drafted in the 5th round and Will Allen was not even drafted. The other 3 starters were underclassmen.

2. Except for David Thomas and Selvin Young all of Texas skill position players were freshmen or sophomores. Other than Young only one Texas offensive player was drafted on the first day this year.

3.Young used those attributes to beat an NFL rookie team in Columbus last year.

USC meanwhile is sending 11 players to the NFL. 7 of them first day selections. 20 USC players have been drafted in the last 3 years.

So you could say that Leinart benefited just a little more from the talent around him than Young did.

However, now that both QB's are in the NFL I hope Leinart has far more success.

 

[SeaChicken]

As a Southern Cal resident and diehard SC fan, I about cried when Detroit passed on Leinart because I knew where he was going. Leinart is money. Once he gets on the field, people will see it.