Is BA done?

[oaken1]

There were many people that had the Cards as playoff contenders prior to the season. The division was basically considered a 2 team race. I remember when NFL network went game by game through the Cards schedule, the worst prediction of the panel was 10-6, best was 12-4. There were questions about the loss of talent on the defense, no question about that.

And, really, pre-season predictions, as the Cards case demonstrates, mean nothing. Most "pundits" had Dallas winning the NFC and playing GB in the NFC championship. Both will likely miss the playoffs as, like the Cards, their season has been marred by star players being out of action. Who had the Rams and Saints at 7-2?

I think people forget how big a loss David Johnson was. He was at/near the top of the candidate list for MVP of the league and he played about 2/3 of a game. He was the focal point of the offense. Look how putrid Dallas looked last week without Elliott and their starting LT. The Cards have played almost their entire season without those 2 positions. Look at GB after Rodgers went down. Rodgers is better than Palmer but CP was as also very important to the Cards offense.

If you don't think the Cards would have been a MUCH better team with a healthy CP, Johnson, Humphries, Golden, and to a lesser extent John Brown et al, then I don't know what to say. That's Trump level deniability.

But the injuries did happen and they now stink. That's part of the NFL.

Trump level deniability, lol...that's rich... but wrong forum.

how many games did we play with our starting RB and QB?

and how did that go exactly? against a team that isnt even winning their division...

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Trump level deniability, lol...that's rich... but wrong forum.

how many games did we play with our starting RB and QB?

and how did that go exactly? against a team that isnt even winning their division...

I'm not a political guy at all. I just was referring to his Trump reference(and getting a dig in ).
We have not played 1 full game with our starting RB and QB.

 

[oaken1]

I'm not a political guy at all. I just was referring to his Trump reference(and getting a dig in ).
We have not played 1 full game with our starting RB and QB.

yeah...as you mentioned we got 3/4 of a game... but we still got our arse handed to us by the lions... I aint saying Palmer and DJ wouldnt help the record,..that of course would be ridiculous, lol...but they wouldnt be the difference between 5-11 and 10-6 with this team.

personally I think they really screwed up swapping DJHump and JV...we are paying JV to be LT and we should have left him there until his contract expired. Hump will be up for an extension and now we will have to pay him as an LT...we could have extended him based on RT pay, then swapped him over after JV retired... would have been better for the team right now and also for longer term cap management

 

[WisconsinCard]

yeah...as you mentioned we got 3/4 of a game... but we still got our arse handed to us by the lions... I aint saying Palmer and DJ wouldnt help the record,..that of course would be ridiculous, lol...but they wouldnt be the difference between 5-11 and 10-6 with this team.

personally I think they really screwed up swapping DJHump and JV...we are paying JV to be LT and we should have left him there until his contract expired. Hump will be up for an extension and now we will have to pay him as an LT...we could have extended him based on RT pay, then swapped him over after JV retired... would have been better for the team right now and also for longer term cap management

Except for the fact that DJ was not a RT (at least a good one), and you think his agent would let him negotiate a contract at RT money? No way the whole world knew the man was drafted to play LT, it's his natural position. They would have held out and this thing get nasty. I think DJ is worth paying as a LT if he could stay healthy. Now I have my doubts if he can do that, so in essence that could save cap dollars too, if he is will to gamble on himself and sign an incentive laden contract.

 

[pmacLean]

This is the same supporting cast we had in 2013,2014, & 2015.

and now we are talking 2018, not ancient history. The drum beat goes on and on to get rid of aging 'stale' players (even Fitz was not immune to that nonsense) but the the aging 'stale' coaches/mgmt are immune ?

 

[Jetstream Green]

There were many people that had the Cards as playoff contenders prior to the season. The division was basically considered a 2 team race. I remember when NFL network went game by game through the Cards schedule, the worst prediction of the panel was 10-6, best was 12-4. There were questions about the loss of talent on the defense, no question about that.

And, really, pre-season predictions, as the Cards case demonstrates, mean nothing. Most "pundits" had Dallas winning the NFC and playing GB in the NFC championship. Both will likely miss the playoffs as, like the Cards, their season has been marred by star players being out of action. Who had the Rams and Saints at 7-2?

I think people forget how big a loss David Johnson was. He was at/near the top of the candidate list for MVP of the league and he played about 2/3 of a game. He was the focal point of the offense. Look how putrid Dallas looked last week without Elliott and their starting LT. The Cards have played almost their entire season without those 2 positions. Look at GB after Rodgers went down. Rodgers is better than Palmer but CP was as also very important to the Cards offense.

If you don't think the Cards would have been a MUCH better team with a healthy CP, Johnson, Humphries, Golden, and to a lesser extent John Brown et al, then I don't know what to say. That's Trump level deniability.

But the injuries did happen and they now stink. That's part of the NFL.

Lindley magazine had us winning the division... I did not go hog wild on that assumption but thought we had a chance to get a wildcard with the way the NFL is now

 

[cardncubfan]

and now we are talking 2018, not ancient history. The drum beat goes on and on to get rid of aging 'stale' players (even Fitz was not immune to that nonsense) but the the aging 'stale' coaches/mgmt are immune ?

2 years is ancient history?

 

[Mitch]

Check out where ESPN ranks BA as a play caller: (He's no longer top 10, but this ranking is surprising, although what they say echoes much of what many of us have been saying).

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/pag...lers-all-32-nfl-teams-how-their-offense-ranks

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

Check out where ESPN ranks BA as a play caller: (He's no longer top 10, but this ranking is surprising, although what they say echoes much of what many of us have been saying).

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/pag...lers-all-32-nfl-teams-how-their-offense-ranks

Inability to adjust is why Arians is at the bottom of the list.

 

[pmacLean]

2 years is ancient history?

In the NFL, 1 year is ancient history.

 

[football karma]

yeah...as you mentioned we got 3/4 of a game... but we still got our arse handed to us by the lions...

the Cards scored a TD to take an 8 point lead with 10 mins to play in the 3rd quarter. The play before the TD happened to be the play where DJ hurt his wrist

post kick off, Cards d forced a Lions three and out. The first offensive play, DJ gains 5 yards and then fumbles the ball -- Lions get the ball inside the 15 and score.

Who knows what happens with a healthy DJ -- but the Cards were winning during that 3/4 of a game, and, his injury led directly to a Detroit TD.

 

[b8rtm8nn]

After yesterday's 4th down run play (stupid), taking responsibility(good), throwing players under the bus for not blocking on the 4th down play(revert to stupid)...


I would say he is done.

 

[TRW]

He should be. He has defended his coaches time and time again, blamed his players and been obstinate as hell in his (obviously) ineffective game plans. Sure, there have been injuries and other factors that have contributed to this decline but he has to have lost some credibility with his team.

He was right, it is a short fall from the penthouse to the s***house and he has taken the plunge. Time for him and his Over-The-Hill Gang to go.

 

[JeffGollin]

Re: BA: Eternally hopeful...Realistically er realistic.

 

[AZ Native]

I still like BA. But his "loyalty" to the coaches cannot continue to take precedence over the team.

 

[Cards_Campos]

He is Buddy Ryan who caught lightening in a bottle with our team. His chuck it deep mentality hit a perfect storm with Palmer and the offense. Once teams figured how to defend it....done!

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Except for the fact that DJ was not a RT (at least a good one), and you think his agent would let him negotiate a contract at RT money? No way the whole world knew the man was drafted to play LT, it's his natural position. They would have held out and this thing get nasty. I think DJ is worth paying as a LT if he could stay healthy. Now I have my doubts if he can do that, so in essence that could save cap dollars too, if he is will to gamble on himself and sign an incentive laden contract.

DJ wouldnhave held out and it would’ve gotten nasty. Lol. For a dude that didn’t play one season and ended another two on IR. Yeah I’m sure the league will be clamoring for that guy. Bidding war!

 

[Cheesebeef]

He is Buddy Ryan who caught lightening in a bottle with our team. His chuck it deep mentality hit a perfect storm with Palmer and the offense. Once teams figured how to defend it....done!

He never showed an ability to adjust. And he was blessed with an OUTRAGEOUS amount of talent in 2015. That year might have gotten to his head... which would be confusing with embarassing losses two of the last three games.

 

[Paso Fino]

Today Arians said Gabbert would start this weekend because Stanton is not fully healed and that Stanton will start when he is. This is nonsense. It is time for Bidwill to step up and terminate Arians. If Stanton is not fully healed, why was he backup yesterday instead of Barkley? And why in the World would you continue to start Stanton when he has no future here instead of playing Gabbert to see whether or not he is worth keeping. And Arians play calling is not something that any sensible owner would abide for another six games.

 

[Snakester]

The only thing wrong with BA to me is some of his coaching staff and Steve Keim not getting the players this off-season that he needed to compete. This whole season is on Keim for doing nothing to improve the team. When we lost CC he wasn't replaced. We needed a #2 CB and nothing was done. We needed at least one quality WR and nothing was done. Keim used two draft picks Reddick and Budda to try and fix the inside linebacking and safety spots. Reddick didn't have the experience to start with. Its going to take him a couple of years to get good. At least Budda looks like he will be solid this year.

 

[THESMEL]

Well BA remembered to try to run effectively too late, now he’s trying to adjust to what he should done in the first place, He could remember that next offseason, or he he could go back to passing a minimum of 2 times to every run. Cards can not depend on the big play every game, they got to be able to win a fundamentally sound game consistently. So if BA is done or not is completely up to him. DJ will not be his most effective in this current configuration,

 

[JeffGollin]

BA doesn't even go after the officials like he once did. The fire seems to be dimming. He did a great job with the Cardinals. Also don't believe he will be back.

I think there's a back story here, and I'd want to hear all of it bfore I passed judgment on MB, SK or BA.