Is Kingsbury a good coach for Murray?

[phillycard]

I think that KK has this offensive line playing absolutely out of its head, and did more with a garbage WR unit than maybe any coach in the NFL could have.

Fair enough Kerouac. I won't entirely say he's been completly horrible as far as the O is concerned. Again my focus is on things like team preparation, focus, execution, etc. We're woefully deficient in all of those areas, and that rightfully should fall on the head coach. I'm livid at how bad the WR's have been. These are KK"S hand picked weapons for HIS offense and it's been alarming the mediocrity.

 

[FB94]

Both rookies. Give them another year.

 

[kerouac9]

Fair enough Kerouac. I won't entirely say he's been completly horrible as far as the O is concerned. Again my focus is on things like team preparation, focus, execution, etc. We're woefully deficient in all of those areas, and that rightfully should fall on the head coach. I'm livid at how bad the WR's have been. These are KK"S hand picked weapons for HIS offense and it's been alarming the mediocrity.

What would you point to to validate that? Yes, we're 5th in penalties, but we're 8th in penalty yardage. That's not great, but I don't see things like, say the punter missing the signal on a fake punt.

 

[82CardsGrad]

What would you point to to validate that? Yes, we're 5th in penalties, but we're 8th in penalty yardage. That's not great, but I don't see things like, say the punter missing the signal on a fake punt.

I dunno... I think it's fair to suggest that the execution of the offense was pretty decent for the first 10 games... but, over the last three games, Murray hasn't put up more than 194 yards. He's been sacked 15 times over those 3 games and his 4 INT's over this span is nearly equal to the INT's he had over the first 10 games.
Those stats, and the eye-test, suggest to me that the execution of the offense has stalled, if not gone in reverse...

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Kliff won 4 games with a QB who shattered records and won the MVP 2 years later as a starter in the NFL.

This is true, but they had a very good offense in the process. Problem is that they also had a terrible defense largely due to very poor talent on that side of the field.

 

[kerouac9]

I dunno... I think it's fair to suggest that the execution of the offense was pretty decent for the first 10 games... but, over the last three games, Murray hasn't put up more than 194 yards. He's been sacked 15 times over those 3 games and his 4 INT's over this span is nearly equal to the INT's he had over the first 10 games.
Those stats, and the eye-test, suggest to me that the execution of the offense has stalled, if not gone in reverse...

I haven't had time to go through the All-22, but it seems to me from watching the games that Murray is running into a lot of pressure and making things harder on himself. It wasn't Kingsbury's scheme that caused Murray to throw the ball directly to T.J. Watt.

 

[82CardsGrad]

I haven't had time to go through the All-22, but it seems to me from watching the games that Murray is running into a lot of pressure and making things harder on himself. It wasn't Kingsbury's scheme that caused Murray to throw the ball directly to T.J. Watt.

True... but, it is Kingbury's responsibility to place Murray in positions where he has the best chance to succeed. It seems to me that, particularly over the past 3 games, Murray is being placed in situations that might not offer the best chances for success. I would argue the Kliff's scheme(s) have been somewhat sniffed out by the league. Defenses are better prepared than they were earlier in the season. Murray looks woefully rookie-ish, if not downright scared the second he has his hands on the ball. And who can blame him? He is running for his life virtually each time he drops back. His confidence is dropping as a result, seen in throws like yesterday when he overthrew a WIDE Open Larry Fitzgerald, as well as the number of times he dropped to the turf in what appeared to be a choice, rather than fight for yards or an escape route...

Not suggesting none of the above isn't able to be overcome... but there is some serious mental scar-tissue beginning to pile up on Murray. Kliff needs to find the way to place him in better, more winnable situations...

 

[kerouac9]

True... but, it is Kingbury's responsibility to place Murray in positions where he has the best chance to succeed. It seems to me that, particularly over the past 3 games, Murray is being placed in situations that might not offer the best chances for success. I would argue the Kliff's scheme(s) have been somewhat sniffed out by the league. Defenses are better prepared than they were earlier in the season. Murray looks woefully rookie-ish, if not downright scared the second he has his hands on the ball. And who can blame him? He is running for his life virtually each time he drops back. His confidence is dropping as a result, seen in throws like yesterday when he overthrew a WIDE Open Larry Fitzgerald, as well as the number of times he dropped to the turf in what appeared to be a choice, rather than fight for yards or an escape route...

Not suggesting none of the above isn't able to be overcome... but there is some serious mental scar-tissue beginning to pile up on Murray. Kliff needs to find the way to place him in better, more winnable situations...

Larry Fitzgerald was wide open, but it's Kingsbury's fault that Murry overthrew him?

What a world you must live in.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

In a lot ways the whole front office and coaches are

They have to be. Otherwise what do they have? Not even hope.

 

[HGC]

This is true, but they had a very good offense in the process. Problem is that they also had a terrible defense largely due to very poor talent on that side of the field.

The level of competition is not the same. We’ll see.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Yes

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

The level of competition is not the same. We’ll see.

My basic point was that it's not like he had this amazing QB and had a terrible offense. Yes their team record wasn't good, but it's not because he didn't run a very good offense with that very good QB (Mahomes).

 

[82CardsGrad]

Larry Fitzgerald was wide open, but it's Kingsbury's fault that Murry overthrew him?

What a world you must live in.

LOL... yea, that was precisely my point. [emoji2957]

It’s Kingsbury’s responsibility to understand that he likely has a QB who is feeling the physical and mental wear & tear of a pathetically bad season. So let’s see if Kliff can make the adjustments to properly deal with the situation...

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Is Kingsbury a good coach.

Lets start with that.

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[SoonerLou]

My basic point was that it's not like he had this amazing QB and had a terrible offense. Yes their team record wasn't good, but it's not because he didn't run a very good offense with that very good QB (Mahomes).

A lot of people give Kliff a pass imo.

1. He didn't run his offense in preseason
2. He's practically learning on the fly what can and what can't work in the NFL.
3. This leads to no real identity on offense.
4. We're at our best when Kyler is running no huddle.


As someone who watched A LOT of Texas Tech games.

The question is simply is Kyler dynamic enough to overcome Kliff's shortcomings/growing pains.

Cause thats where his real success stems from. Kyler is not Russell Wilson in terms of making magic happen behind the los and throwing those scramble passes. He's not Mahomes who can be in trouble and heave a prayer in the right spot. He wasn't what Manziel did to get Kliff his job. Just making crazy plays with no real rhyme or reason.

Instead he's a rhythmic passer who paired with a great play caller can be electric.

He was the 4th best play caller in the Big 12 last year.

I'm optimistic for Kliff because I do believe he'll work to get better. However, his learning curve is steeper than Kyler's right now.

Kyler would be a Raider right now if it wasn't for Kliff though. So they are tied together.

Kyler hasn't played well at all the last two games. Rams destroyed Wilson and the Seahawks and the Steelers have a great defense as well (picked off Lamar 3 times)

I think Kliff is a solid play caller with not a lot of great talent around him either. Both would have benefitted with a better draft/free agency.

 

[overseascardfan]

Everyone plays a part of this suckage. Kingsbury's scheme is a fit for Murray but his play calling sucks. Murray makes a lot of mistakes each game that aren't Kingsbury's fault: missing throws, throwing into double coverage, running into sacks, not getting rid of the ball, etc. The OL is garbage and the defense is a dumpster grease fire. Throw in an incompetent GM and you have the perfect storm of ineptitude.

On top of all that, ARZ has played some really good defenses the last 4 weeks so that didn't help. Too bad we can't play the NYG, ATL or CIN 16 times this year so we could get to 8 wins.

 

[SoonerLou]

Also watch a lot of other young QBs on Sunday.

Where are the rollouts? Where are the clearouts?

Saw some of the Jags game which was a disaster and still some play calls that can help a young QB out.

When Kliff is dialed in its beautiful to watch (usually when Kyler is in no huddle) but we've got nothing when teams take away our fast ball.

Trent Dilfer said that in Kliff's offense there's going to be some really high highs and some REALLY low lows with this offense.

We saw that the last two games.

Kliff REALLY needs to learn how to incorporate the run action into our offense. That takes away some of the pressure Kyler faces and its not so he's overwhelmed.

 

[Solar7]

A lot of people give Kliff a pass imo.

1. He didn't run his offense in preseason
2. He's practically learning on the fly what can and what can't work in the NFL.
3. This leads to no real identity on offense.
4. We're at our best when Kyler is running no huddle.


As someone who watched A LOT of Texas Tech games.

The question is simply is Kyler dynamic enough to overcome Kliff's shortcomings/growing pains.

Cause thats where his real success stems from. Kyler is not Russell Wilson in terms of making magic happen behind the los and throwing those scramble passes. He's not Mahomes who can be in trouble and heave a prayer in the right spot. He wasn't what Manziel did to get Kliff his job. Just making crazy plays with no real rhyme or reason.

Instead he's a rhythmic passer who paired with a great play caller can be electric.

He was the 4th best play caller in the Big 12 last year.

I'm optimistic for Kliff because I do believe he'll work to get better. However, his learning curve is steeper than Kyler's right now.

Kyler would be a Raider right now if it wasn't for Kliff though. So they are tied together.

Kyler hasn't played well at all the last two games. Rams destroyed Wilson and the Seahawks and the Steelers have a great defense as well (picked off Lamar 3 times)

I think Kliff is a solid play caller with not a lot of great talent around him either. Both would have benefitted with a better draft/free agency.

Yet another great post from you.

 

[DVontel]

Yet another great post from you.

A good one from you as well.

 

[Solar7]

A good one from you as well.

Enjoying the sarcasm man. How much am I supposed to defend our 3-9-1 team before I'm a real fan?

 

[DVontel]

Enjoying the sarcasm man. How much am I supposed to defend our 3-9-1 team before I'm a real fan?

There was no sarcasm there at all.

 

[Solar7]

There was no sarcasm there at all.

Well then I <3 you too!

 

[Arz101]

Only thing I want Kliff to do more is throw the f*****g ball downfield more

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[Chopper0080]

Only thing I want Kliff to do more is throw the f*****g ball downfield more

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Kliff doesn't play QB anymore.

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[Solar7]

Kliff doesn't play QB anymore.

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