Is there a reason why we don't fire Kliff today?

[Chopper0080]

They gain they ability to negotiate with a replacement before others can.

I personally don't believe that would stop them.

 

[Chopper0080]

Interesting.



It's pretty naïve to think that candidates aren't making themselves available to teams right now, TBH.

Yeah. If Bidwill is the one who is going to make the decision to fire Kliff, he is already talking to any high profile candidates who are not active NFL coaches (Payton) and he is making it known to agents that the Cardinals will have an opening. If Payton was ready to sign, he would fire Kliff but Payton is waiting to see all of his options as he should.

 

[Chopper0080]

I guess it doesn't necessarily matter if Bidwill fires both GM and HC right after the season or not. Hard to imagine a world where a top GM would say he wants to retain Kliff.

 

[kerouac9]

Yeah. If Bidwill is the one who is going to make the decision to fire Kliff, he is already talking to any high profile candidates who are not active NFL coaches (Payton) and he is making it known to agents that the Cardinals will have an opening. If Payton was ready to sign, he would fire Kliff but Payton is waiting to see all of his options as he should.

If Kliff had any respect in NFL circles they might say, “I could never talk about another man’s job.” But I don’t believe he has any respect among the NFL brotherhood.

It’s possible that Michael is actually too cowardly to fire Kliff himself and either relies on Adrian Wilson to do it or waits and make it the next official GMs first order of business.

 

[lobo]

They gain they ability to negotiate with a replacement before others can.

Harry I think we both know that is certainly not in their playbook...proven over and over again albeit a good idea...
"stop making sense please!!!"

 

[MadJack]

I’m on the Madjack bandwagon after witnessing that in person today! I was furious yelling fire Klownsbury in the stadium repeatedly today as he went for two. I will not attend another game until this clown is sent packing!!!

Right on, Mike. I too was screaming congrats every time the Broncos scored: “yeah TD!! We need a new coach so keep it up!”

Bronco fans thought I was nuts but pretty funny. Very somber crowd. Pathetic really stadium was half full.

MadJack.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Right on, Mike. I too was screaming congrats every time the Broncos scored: “yeah TD!! We need a new coach so keep it up!”

Bronco fans thought I was nuts but pretty funny. Very somber crowd. Pathetic really stadium was half full.

MadJack.

As I walked out of the stadium yesterday, the steward at the door yelled 'Go Broncos!'

Decked out in all of my Cards gear, I also yelled 'Go Broncos! Thanks for the higher draft pick.' That must have been the funniest thing he had heard all day. I heard him laugh until I was out of hearing range.

 

[Stout]

My main concern would be, just who is Michael consulting with to make these decisions? Fredo?

I know it was Fredo!

 

[QuebecCard]

I personally don't believe that would stop them.

True. But if you haven't yet fired KK or at least informed him that he'll be terminated, there's a chance that these feelers are leaked. The Cards would add to the public perception of being a 'bush league' organization and probably not warm themselves to their key H-C targets.

 

[football karma]

True. But if you haven't yet fired KK or at least informed him that he'll be terminated, there's a chance that these feelers are leaked. The Cards would add to the public perception of being a 'bush league' organization and probably not warm themselves to their key H-C targets.

1. the reaching out to coaches' agents is being done by proxies, not Mike
2. the entire NFL follows this program

 

[QuebecCard]

If Kliff had any respect in NFL circles they might say, “I could never talk about another man’s job.” But I don’t believe he has any respect among the NFL brotherhood.

It’s possible that Michael is actually too cowardly to fire Kliff himself and either relies on Adrian Wilson to do it or waits and make it the next official GMs first order of business.

It's still a 'Brotherhood' and if he's seen as treated shabbily, it begs the question, 'how would they treat me?'

 

[QuebecCard]

1. the reaching out to coaches' agents is being done by proxies, not Mike
2. the entire NFL follows this program

So you know it's through proxies, everybody knows it's via proxy, ergo it falls on MB if or when it leaks.

 

[AZCB34]

Funny that most people in the two point play argument want the Cards to lose for draft positioning. And there you are getting all wound up by a failed play in a game some has already turned off.

I don’t want them to lose…never want teams I root for to lose.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Funny that most people in the two point play argument want the Cards to lose for draft positioning. And there you are getting all wound up by a failed play in a game some has already turned off.

I don’t want them to lose…never want teams I root for to lose.

Definitely some irony on display.

 

[Zalixar]

Funny that most people in the two point play argument want the Cards to lose for draft positioning. And there you are getting all wound up by a failed play in a game some has already turned off.

I don’t want them to lose…never want teams I root for to lose.

Everyone has their own way of rooting for their team.

Sometimes losing is better for winning in the long term instead of short term gratification.

 

[AZCB34]

Definitely some irony on display.

Not sure what the irony is but, ok

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Not sure what the irony is but, ok

I'm agreeing with you.

 

[slanidrac16]

Funny that most people in the two point play argument want the Cards to lose for draft positioning. And there you are getting all wound up by a failed play in a game some has already turned off.

I don’t want them to lose…never want teams I root for to lose.

My point in the argument had nothing to do about winning or losing the game. It was more to point out the total incompetence of our head coach to understand the situation… once again.

 

[daves]

You are wrong. By failing on the two point attempt it literally ended the game. It turned it into a two possession game with 3:30 left. It took any pressure of turning the ball back over to the cardinals a moot point.
The extra point ( assuming it was good) would have kept it a one possession game. Ridiculous to see it any other way.
If anyone can’t see that you need to get hired with Kliff wherever his next coaching is.

What's ridiculous is that you keep comparing a scenario where we KNOW they didn't make the two-point conversion, to a scenario where you IMAGINE they WOULD make it later.

If they're going to miss the two-point conversion, their chances were slightly higher by missing it early and knowing they needed two more scores, than by FALSELY believing they would make it later, and planning for only one more scoring drive, thus eliminating any chance of winning.

...dave

 

[daves]

Daves, I'm sorry but I don't get the article or your point. You still have to hustle to score. You don't have any less sense of urgency if you're only down 8. You're still losing, and the possibility is still very real that you MIGHT not get the needed 2 pt conversion. I always expect my team to play with its hair on fire if you're losing in the 4th whether it's 15 or 5. To your argument, if you DO go for it down 15 on the first touchdown, do you then breathe easy and lighten up knowing you're down only 7? I just don't get it. I don't want my team putting itself in further peril by getting ahead of itself un-necessarily. You don't have to respond since you don't want to belabor the point, but that's just my thought on the matter.

I'll try to keep it as simple as possible for everyone.

If you are going to make the two-point conversion, it doesn't matter whether you make it early or later. (Well, those who think there might be some psychological edge could argue that making it earlier puts more pressure on the opponent, but I'm not making that argument.)

If you're going to miss the two-point conversion, it's better to miss it early when you still have time to do something about it, rather than to miss it with no time on the clock.

People keep comparing a scenario where the conversion is missed early, to one where they imagine it might be successful later. OF COURSE making the two-point conversion is better than missing it. But that's a false comparison.

...dave

 

[Stout]

I'll try to keep it as simple as possible for everyone.

If you are going to make the two-point conversion, it doesn't matter whether you make it early or later. (Well, those who think there might be some psychological edge could argue that making it earlier puts more pressure on the opponent, but I'm not making that argument.)

If you're going to miss the two-point conversion, it's better to miss it early when you still have time to do something about it, rather than to miss it with no time on the clock.

People keep comparing a scenario where the conversion is missed early, to one where they imagine it might be successful later. OF COURSE making the two-point conversion is better than missing it. But that's a false comparison.

...dave

You still obstinately refuse to acknowledge that sports psychology exists, eh? That players and teams play in a vacuum without being affected by morale and momentum? You're not usually this stubborn. Becoming demoralized when missing that early 2-point conversion has very real effects. Deny it if you want, but that doesn't negate the fact.

 

[BritCard]

Funny that most people in the two point play argument want the Cards to lose for draft positioning. And there you are getting all wound up by a failed play in a game some has already turned off.

I don’t want them to lose…never want teams I root for to lose.

People just want to be angry. Even if it means being angry at two diametrically opposite things.

 

[kerouac9]

You still obstinately refuse to acknowledge that sports psychology exists, eh? That players and teams play in a vacuum without being affected by morale and momentum? You're not usually this stubborn. Becoming demoralized when missing that early 2-point conversion has very real effects. Deny it if you want, but that doesn't negate the fact.

Yes but MAKING the 2-point conversion early also has real effects, so what’s the difference?

 

[Stout]

Yes but MAKING the 2-point conversion early also has real effects, so what’s the difference?

The (wrong) argument is that missing it late is sooo much worse than missing it early, which just misunderstands sports psychology or pretends it doesn't exist. Missing it early crushes the comeback, because what was a realistic expectation of tying the game at the end becomes a monumentally harder proposition requiring two scores.

Making it early does make a real difference--only if you make it. If you can guarantee that result, then sure, it's the better option. I'll try to not utterly demoralize my team early in the comeback, thanks.

 

[slanidrac16]

What's ridiculous is that you keep comparing a scenario where we KNOW they didn't make the two-point conversion, to a scenario where you IMAGINE they WOULD make it later.

If they're going to miss the two-point conversion, their chances were slightly higher by missing it early and knowing they needed two more scores, than by FALSELY believing they would make it later, and planning for only one more scoring drive, thus eliminating any chance of winning.

...dave

What really makes your view ridiculous is this. It’s really simple. Kick the extra point and make it a one score game. Miss the two point attempt AT THAT POINT and the game is now a two score game and essentially over.