Isaiah Simmons

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Matt Leinart

This is #1 for me too especially after his first couple starts (thanks again Neil Chokers).

 

[Cheesebeef]

This is #1 for me too especially after his first couple starts (thanks again Neil Chokers).

Oh yeah. Without a doubt.

Ouchie and I were dancing and jumping around, celebrating at Coachella when we finally saw each other midday after watching the draft separately that morning.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Leinart just wasn't the same anymore after his collarbone injury.

 

[ajcardfan]

I hadn’t either.

Simmons may be the greatest disappointment I’ve ever had in a player. I was hopeful he was out luke keuchly. Yeesh.

He wouldn't make my top 10. Or, bottom 10, however you think of it.

 

[TheCardFan]

Leinart just wasn't the same anymore after his collarbone injury.

That was in 2007 IIRC.

He wasn't good in 2006.

 

[reebokalone2001]

I thought it probably was not his coverage responsibility live (because I hope that Ralls has more sense than VJ). But I had no evidence it wasn't. Maybe the English teacher is right here.

I actually agreed with Mitch here on the play, but I understood why Thompson moved up to pick up Kelce. Woods tried to undercut Kelce's crossing route but Kelce suddenly broke his route and sit in the wide open middle field. Thompson saw that then decided to pursue Kelce and leave the deep right side uncovered. I believe the fault was either on Clark, or the miscommunication between Clark and Woods. Clark was apparently playing zone there and he should pick up Kelce on the crossing route but he played too shallow that Woods has to tail Kelce. If Clark played tighter to cut Mahomes' throwing lane to the crossing, Woods did not have to move to his right to cut the crossing then leave the middle field uncovered. Thompson might not need to move up but tail Kelce in case he runs a deep crossing. Further, Mitch was correct that Dimukeje should not have moved inside on his rush, 'casue he then left Mahomes uncontained on the right side with nothing in front of him but green grass. I am not sure if Clark was worried that Mahomes would just run for the first so he dare not to drop back deep. Anyway, Mahomes froze him for a second or two on that play.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

That was in 2007 IIRC.

He wasn't good in 2006.

He wasn't as good, I agree. That injury though gave him the Yips.

 

[reebokalone2001]

I hadn’t either.

Simmons may be the greatest disappointment I’ve ever had in a player. I was hopeful he was out luke keuchly. Yeesh.

I had the same hope that he would become our Luke Kuechly.

 

[juza76]

I had the same hope that he would become our Luke Kuechly.

That hope can t even make a dream come true
Kuechly was one of the five best linebacker in the history of the NFL
His ceiling was derwin James

 

[Vacard]

Lienart never had an arm.

 

[JohnnyCakes]

Matt Leinart

wadsworth

 

[JohnnyCakes]

That hope can t even make a dream come true
Kuechly was one of the five best linebacker in the history of the NFL
His ceiling was derwin James

all i wanted him to be was daryl washington

 

[vince56]

wadsworth

Mark Smith.

We can go on for days like this. I’m happy to name all kinds of other terrible or dumb Cardinals players that for some reason my mind remembers.

 

[JohnnyCakes]

Mark Smith.

We can go on for days like this. I’m happy to name all kinds of other terrible or dumb Cardinals players that for some reason my mind remembers.

hell....for a 7th round pick Mark Smith was a great player!

 

[TheCardFan]

Mark Smith.

We can go on for days like this. I’m happy to name all kinds of other terrible or dumb Cardinals players that for some reason my mind remembers.

Sad but true.

However, the question is who was the biggest dissapointment of them all.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

hell....for a 7th round pick Mark Smith was a great player!

Speaking of Smith's....Antonio Smith! 5th rounder who developed nicely in AZ, but then the Cards wouldn't pay him, so he went to Houston.

 

[JohnnyCakes]

Sad but true.

However, the question is who was the biggest dissapointment of them all.

wendell bryant, robert nkemdiche, tommy knight, Wadsworth

 

[Dr. Jones]

I thought Simmons was the right pick, still do.
Jonathan Cooper was the right pick in his draft as well.

They just didn’t work out. That happens.

If you're drafting positions of less importance (G and ILB obviously qualify), you cannot miss.

FYI....... Both of these posts can be true at the same time.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

FYI....... Both of these posts can be true at the same time.

No - they can't. You can't miss at those positions. Cards missed twice. Missing on non-premium positions high in the draft is an absolute disaster.

 

[Dr. Jones]

No - they can't. You can't miss at those positions. Cards missed twice. Missing on non-premium positions high in the draft is an absolute disaster.

When the picks were made..... no one knew they were a miss. Armchair people may have made guesses, but no one knew it. The best player regardless of position was the pick in both cases. Unfortunately, the "Best Player" label is not only subjective, but technically, it's also a gamble you are making.

Both picks clearly were wrong in hindsight. We've made a lot of those. And I loved the post about picking up the 5th year options (Chopper maybe). Hopefully the people entrusted with making these decisions are better than Keim was.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Hopefully the people entrusted with making these decisions are better than Keim was.

It would be hard to have more draft futility than Keim!

 

[dreamcastrocks]

No - they can't. You can't miss at those positions. Cards missed twice. Missing on non-premium positions high in the draft is an absolute disaster.

If you want to be completely linear in the logic, then sure.

Draft picks fail for all sorts of reasons though, that sometimes doesn't have anything to do with the player directly. That doesn't matter if they were drafted #1 overall, or near the bottom of the draft.

 

[vince56]

hell....for a 7th round pick Mark Smith was a great player!

Remember his “I ain’t learned nothing about nothing” line after his contract holdout ended with him accepting the tendered offer? Good times.

 

[kerouac9]

No - they can't. You can't miss at those positions. Cards missed twice. Missing on non-premium positions high in the draft is an absolute disaster.

It's not an absolute disaster. You're catastrophizing. The Cards went to the playoffs in Simmons' second season. The Cards won 10 games the season they drafted Cooper and 34 games over the three seasons he was with us.

It's obviously not what you want, and it's especially problematic if you go to the well over and over again. But it's not the end of the world.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

It's not an absolute disaster. You're catastrophizing. The Cards went to the playoffs in Simmons' second season. The Cards won 10 games the season they drafted Cooper and 34 games over the three seasons he was with us.

It's obviously not what you want, and it's especially problematic if you go to the well over and over again. But it's not the end of the world.

By continually missing on picks, especially high picks your roster is more reliant on overpaying FA's instead of retaining your own talent.

Yes, one Jonathan Cooper does not kill a team. But looking at the last 10 years of drafting in the 1st round, miss after miss have left us with an awfully bare cupboard.

2013	7	Jonathan Cooper	North Carolina	G
2014	27	Deone Bucannon	Washington State	S
2015	24	D. J. Humphries	Florida	T
2016	29	Robert Nkemdiche	Ole Miss	DT
2017	13	Haason Reddick	Temple	LB
2018	10	Josh Rosen	UCLA	QB
2019	1	Kyler Murray*	Oklahoma	QB
2020	8	Isaiah Simmons	Clemson	LB
2021	16	Zaven Collins	Tulsa	LB
2023	6	Paris Johnson Jr.	Ohio State	OT

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An interesting breakdown of pro bowlers by draft position, and the pain of missing on a high pick.