It All Starts with Murray

[kerouac9]

It will matter.

Monti, or any GM, shouldn’t focus on the trenches because their hands are tied because of bad QB play,
It should be focused because that what makes a successful football team & it’s his job to do so.

This is literally what the team that beat us Sunday did. Shifted a ton of resources from the defense to the offense, particularly the offensive line.

They rolled right over us.

It’s also what Monti is doing: top FA signing is a RT; top draft pick is LT; used a third rounder the next season on a guard. Spent $20 million in FA on two pro tackles.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Stop the Friday Night Lights cinema-fluff.

I doubt you have ever seen, in any sport, a terrible player being a good leader.

Because they don’t exist. That athlete isn’t taken seriously otherwise.

If you play good/great football, your teammates will follow.

Trent dilfer was known as a subpar QB but a good leader. He won a super bowl. They do exist.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Oh, don’t get me wrong, I’m ready to move off of Kyler and have been for a bit. He’s just an inconsistent/mediocre QB. If we can move off of him during the off-season, I’m all for it.

I’m just saying 82 has been watching too much Friday Night Lights. Kyler isn’t a bad QB because of “leadership qualities” or whatever, Kyler is a bad QB because he can’t produce on the field. That’s on him.

He’s a bad QB because he panics. He’s a bad leader because he’s a bad leader. It’s a bad combo.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Is this truly your rebuttal?

Anyways, I’ll abide.


I’ve played sport football, basketball, and baseball a majority of my life. I stuck with football in high school.

I have seen first hand what a good QB can do for a team. During my SR year of high school, we underwent a QB change because the first QB couldn’t get it done. And to be frank, the first QB was more extrovert while the second QB was more of an introvert. However, the second QB was actually good at his job and we all were able to follow because we knew what to expect and we believed in him.

That goes for any professional setting. You must be good at your own job before others can follow you. You must produce at a high level. That comes first before anything. Not the FNL fluff you’re talking about.

EDIT: You lost so much credibility when you included Jameis in that list.

Just being good at what you do doesn’t make you a leader. There’s also a LOT more to leadership than just being an extrovert. The two best leaders I e ever worked for were introverts. But they weren’t great leaders because they were just good at their jobs. They were great leaders because they understood how to identify talent, get the best out of people, inspire people, and get people to trust them.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Just out of curiosity, not trolling, have there been any accounts of Murray being a good leader? I've heard great talent, great athlete, etc. but don't remember much on being an inspiring leader. He seems to care much more this year and putting in more work but he's probably going to be known more for having a study clause placed in his contract and more interested in video games.
First impressions are hard to change and probably not many leaders have had to have clauses put in their contract to try and make their job a higher priority.

 

[WeBlitz]

Trent dilfer was known as a subpar QB but a good leader. He won a super bowl. They do exist.

I don’t think good leaders get released from a team they just won a Super Bowl with.

 

[DVontel]

Trent dilfer was known as a subpar QB but a good leader. He won a super bowl. They do exist.

Dude was such a good leader that he played on 5 different teams and did something that has never done before which was being dropped from a team directly after winning a Super Bowl(in which he literally didn’t do much at all).

Horrific example.

 

[DVontel]

This conversation has dragged enough.

Point being:

It’s possible to be a good player while being a bad leader Hell, you see it all the time in the NBA.

There’s no such thing as a bad player being a good leader because that bad player is never taken seriously to begin with.


I doubt anyone would give a damn about Kyler’s leadership qualities if he was/is a still a bad QB.

 

[cardncubfan]

Care to educate me as to the leadership skills I’m somehow blind to in Kyler?

82 did you miss some of the offseason stories like how he took all of the receivers, te's, & rb's to work out together & footed the bill for all? He also has weekly dinners with his oline. There are quite a few stories like that, that showed how he has matured as a qb & leader of the team. It also seems to me his team has his back. JMHO.

 

[kerouac9]

I doubt anyone would give a damn about Kyler’s leadership qualities if he was/is a still a bad QB.

Yes. Part of the reason Kyler's leadership abilities were under scrutiny more in years past was because he was playing very well but we came unglued at the end of the year. People started wondering aloud why he can't lift people up/bring his teammates along.

Now, we don't talk about leadership much because Kyler is playing like stinky butt. It's much easier to endure a stinky QB when he's stoic or confused on the sideline than when he's pouty and showing up teammates.

 

[netsnjkidd]

Aaron Rodgers elite talent allowed him to get 1 ring. You could make an argument if he was a real leader he would have 3 more

 

[imaCafan]

Is it possible KM is still recovering from his knee surgery? Don’t mean so much physical but mentally. MAYBE that is still part of his problem because to me he still looks like he’s playing scared when there’s any pressure. And I’m guessing some players never get back their nerve to play because of injury. Maybe he’s one of those.

 

[PACardsFan]

Trent dilfer was known as a subpar QB but a good leader. He won a super bowl. They do exist.

Without one of the greatest defenses in NFL history, that Dilfer led team would’ve won 3 games. In the middle of that season, the Ravens went like 4 games without scoring a touchdown & they still won those games.

 

[602 Native]

Without one of the greatest defenses in NFL history, that Dilfer led team would’ve won 3 games. In the middle of that season, the Ravens went like 4 games without scoring a touchdown & they still won those games.

An absolutely insane run for that team.

 

[Shane]

Is it possible KM is still recovering from his knee surgery? Don’t mean so much physical but mentally. MAYBE that is still part of his problem because to me he still looks like he’s playing scared when there’s any pressure. And I’m guessing some players never get back their nerve to play because of injury. Maybe he’s one of those.

None… his running early in the season proves that.

 

[Broseph]

I was a fan of us drafting him number 1 overall, but I was not a fan of the contract extension, and my thoughts are proving correct. While he is capable of making great plays, he also makes terrible blunders. " Glitch" has been said a few times, particularly when he is pressured, gets tunnel vision, or makes poor decisions. I think the FO realizes he's not the future, and we will likely be done with him after next year. They need to bring in a veteran quarterback and draft a quarterback in the 2025 draft at some point, then look toward the future.

 

[krazy2k]

And apparently it all ends with Murray too...as in the season ending early once again. Bummer.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

This conversation has dragged enough.

Point being:

It’s possible to be a good player while being a bad leader Hell, you see it all the time in the NBA.

There’s no such thing as a bad player being a good leader because that bad player is never taken seriously to begin with.

What was Udonis Haslam for the Heat his last 36 years he played there?

 

[DVontel]

What was Udonis Haslam for the Heat his last 36 years he played there?

Udonis Haslem wasn’t a bad player.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Udonis Haslem wasn’t a bad player.

But he wasn’t all that good either. Averaged 7.5 points and 6 rebound his career. Never sniffed an all star team.

But I get your overall point. It’s easier to be the leader when you’re good.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Is it possible KM is still recovering from his knee surgery? Don’t mean so much physical but mentally. MAYBE that is still part of his problem because to me he still looks like he’s playing scared when there’s any pressure. And I’m guessing some players never get back their nerve to play because of injury. Maybe he’s one of those.

Except it was a non-contract injury. Not like he took a hit a blew out his knee. He's played scared for several seasons. IMO

 

[slanidrac16]

What’s the logic here?

I guess you ain’t been watching.

 

[slanidrac16]

It will matter.

Monti, or any GM, shouldn’t focus on the trenches because their hands are tied because of bad QB play,
It should be focused because that what makes a successful football team & it’s his job to do so.

Kyler is Kyler. Six years in . He is who he is. I don’t care what you surround him with.

 

[slanidrac16]

Wait, Kyler does this, or Petzing?

Come to your own conclusion.

 

[DVontel]

Kyler is Kyler. Six years in . He is who he is. I don’t care what you surround him with.

Your reading comprehension needs to improve badly man.