It is just 1 game.

[Osbern61]

Dude, Warner threw a pick to the most covered guy on the field, after checking down every option, having tons of time and absolutely nobody near him. He then threw it to the guy who was best covered, and it was picked and returned for six.

I just dredged up the courage to pop the tape back in and watch that play again. It was worse than I remembered; only 2 pass rushers and they were both being handled. Even Warner could have picked up 5 yards if he had scrambled.

 

[Mulli]

Giving up 56 points was poor to a degree.

 

[CaptTurbo]

I just dredged up the courage to pop the tape back in and watch that play again. It was worse than I remembered; only 2 pass rushers and they were both being handled. Even Warner could have picked up 5 yards if he had scrambled.

Piss poor play calling and coaching. 2 men rushing 9 DB's in and you dont throw a screen or a delay hand off?

 

[SuperSpck]

Piss poor play calling and coaching. 2 men rushing 9 DB's in and you dont throw a screen or a delay hand off?

Are the coaches supposed to know what coverages the defenses are going to use in advance?
IF the defense gave some indicator that 9 (!) guys would be dropping back then Warner should have audible'd.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Piss poor play calling and coaching. 2 men rushing 9 DB's in and you dont throw a screen or a delay hand off?

Wow, the coaches knew they were only going to rush 2 and drop 9, and still ran a passs play? Man, maybe you're right they do need to be fired.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Oh, and just keep betting the money line and not know whose favored. Start a thread every week about how the coaches should be fired and still bet on the team that you say has incompetant coaches. Now that is funny. If you're really the gambler that you say you are, then make the call to GA dude. Take your own advice.

 

[Cardiac]

Piss poor play calling and coaching. 2 men rushing 9 DB's in and you dont throw a screen or a delay hand off?

I'm glad you are not calling the plays. I screen or delay hand off best work when the other team blitzes. If you want I can explain in detail.

 

[CaptTurbo]

I'm glad you are not calling the plays. I screen or delay hand off best work when the other team blitzes. If you want I can explain in detail.

They also work very well with 9 DBs in. Its a guarenteed 5 yards. And I chose those two play calls based on the personel on the field. They were not in a power run formation. In fact I am not even sure there was a RB in.

I would have done a screen to a RB who pretends to block then peels away after the wr's clear one side.

My 3 year old could make a better call than you or Whiz. Passing against 9 DB's. That may be an NFL first. Do they keep stats on that?

 

[CaptTurbo]

Oh, and just keep betting the money line and not know whose favored. Start a thread every week about how the coaches should be fired and still bet on the team that you say has incompetant coaches. Now that is funny. If you're really the gambler that you say you are, then make the call to GA dude. Take your own advice.

The money line that I bet was even. I could care less about the spread if my bet is even.

Edit: Oh and yeah I bought into the hype even though I should have known better. That will be my last bet on the cards dont worry. Your right. Who in their right mind would bet on Whiz.

BTW a good hint that a team will drop back into coverage is when you see their dime package.

 

[Cardiac]

They also work very well with 9 DBs in. Its a guarenteed 5 yards. And I chose those two play calls based on the personel on the field. They were not in a power run formation. In fact I am not even sure there was a RB in.

I'm fairly certain that were some LB's on the field as well. As others pointed out there was no way for us to know that they would drop 9 back in coverage. I can't recall if it was 3rd down or not so the 5 yds may have made sense.

I would have done a screen to a RB who pretends to block then peels away after the wr's clear one side.

You're thinking Pendy was calling the defense?

My 3 year old could make a better call than you or Whiz. Passing against 9 DB's. That may be an NFL first. Do they keep stats on that?

My 3 yd old grand daughter throw less tantrums than you do

 

[Duckjake]

Edit: Oh and yeah I bought into the hype even though I should have known better. That will be my last bet on the cards dont worry. Your right. Who in their right mind would bet on Whiz.

Don't forget the two truths about betting on the Cards: They are terrible favorites (on those rare occasions they are actually favored) and very good at losing but beating the spread.

I don't know how many times you can read the following in the Cards media guide in the capsule of a season:

"The Cards lose 7 games by 3 points or less and finish 5-11."

 

[WisconsinCard]

The money line that I bet was even. I could care less about the spread if my bet is even.
Edit: Oh and yeah I bought into the hype even though I should have known better. That will be my last bet on the cards dont worry. Your right. Who in their right mind would bet on Whiz.

BTW a good hint that a team will drop back into coverage is when you see their dime package.

I have never seen and even money line when there is a favorite. Also smart money would say "if" there was an even money line take the 2 to 3 point favorite them. So you might want to pay a little more attention to the spread when betting the money line, beacuse if its even money, well you can get even money plus the points...Hello

 

[CaptTurbo]

I have never seen and even money line when there is a favorite. Also smart money would say "if" there was an even money line take the 2 to 3 point favorite them. So you might want to pay a little more attention to the spread when betting the money line, beacuse if its even money, well you can get even money plus the points...Hello

So now your saying I am lying? Ill post a screen shot of the bet and you clearly have no education

The money line was even I bet 500 I would have won 500.

The spead on betus was 1. Evidently it was Cards +1 I thought I saw Cards -1. But it is irrelevant. I did not bet the spead. With the spread being 1 the money line was even. Everyone in the world but you can understand that.

 

[CaptTurbo]

I have never seen and even money line when there is a favorite.

Occurs quite frequently HELLOOOO

IAlso smart money would say "if" there was an even money line take the 2 to 3 point favorite them.

Spread wasnt 2 or 3 on betus.com HELLOOOOOO

 

[CaptTurbo]

Don't forget the two truths about betting on the Cards: They are terrible favorites (on those rare occasions they are actually favored) and very good at losing but beating the spread.

I don't know how many times you can read the following in the Cards media guide in the capsule of a season:

"The Cards lose 7 games by 3 points or less and finish 5-11."

I was suckered in by all the knuckleheads that say travel is so important. We stayed East meanwhile the Jets flew 10 billion miles AND played on Monday night.

I was suckered in and realised travel only pertains to the cards.

 

[Duckjake]

I was suckered in by all the knuckleheads that say travel is so important. We stayed East meanwhile the Jets flew 10 billion miles AND played on Monday night.

I was suckered in and realised travel only pertains to the cards.

A lot of people get sucked in by the "new season" hype.

Pro sports teams have a real tendency to remain the same, no matter what changes they make, for years and years. Notice the Bengals, Lions, and Texans are all ofer '08. Meanwhile the Titans score 30 points with a QB who was 18-35-199 and their leading rusher was 17-61. Just like most Sundays.

Look at the Houston Astros. Every season they get 15-20 games out of first and then win 20 of 25 to get back in it in September. The Texas Rangers haven't been able to get any pitching to go with their annual .300 team batting average for 20 years.

This road trip just reminded me that these are the Cardinals and not to expect much different from what I've watched for the last 40 years. Entertaining but extremely frustrating as I wait for the Cards to find new and imaginative ways to lose. Something I never want to miss.

 

[WisconsinCard]

So now your saying I am lying? Ill post a screen shot of the bet and you clearly have no education

The money line was even I bet 500 I would have won 500.

The spead on betus was 1. Evidently it was Cards +1 I thought I saw Cards -1. But it is irrelevant. I did not bet the spead. With the spread being 1 the money line was even. Everyone in the world but you can understand that.

Probably are, but the whole pont of internet betting is that you can lock in your bet early along with the spread. If you bet even money, you could have gotten points early in the week.

My guy had the line at the cards + 2 and a hook at game time.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I'm convinced that Cards Campos = Brenda.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Are you guys just that blind? He threw for 471 YDS!!!! and completed 74% of his passes. The fumbles are not his fault! Jesus stand in your back yard and let me hit you from the blind side running full speed. His last INT was a heave up at the buzzer. Of course he had 6 to's but it wasn't like Rex Grossmans game against us. He had 6 to's and 45 yds passing while completing 5 passes. Warner's QB rating was still pretty high. He played pretty well considering the circumstances...he had 4 to's in the first half and down 34. To cut the lead to 13 a few times...I think you have to blame the defense too. You guys are funny. Like Lienart would have made a difference. ROFL you guys kill me. He threw 3 INT's in 1 quarter during a preseason game when the defense is playing soft vanilla schemes. The Jets had 2 defenders in the backfield on every play....

LMAO - And this is what I was talking about. A crazy attempt to hang onto statistics that were not only meaningless but only able to be had because of the mess that that idiot Warner put us in. That first half was a travesty and bad line play or not it was all on him - notice how many times the announcers cited where he held the ball.

You have just had your football card revoked. You are a Warner fan boy plain and simple.

 

[BirdMan21]

I'm convinced that Cards Campos = Brenda.

I was thinking the same thing

 

[JeffGollin]

Where to start...

First of all, it wasn't "just one game" - at the very least it was an indication that our earliest successes this season didn't represent some sort of winning pattern. We regressed right back into the same up & down stuff we did last year that's so characteristic of a team fighting to get above .500.

The performance in the first half was as bad a half of football as I've ever seen from a Cardinal football team in 60 years (and there have been some pretty ugly performances by Cardinal teams in the past).

Warner clearly struggled when his receivers were covered - when he held onto the ball too long, he got sacked and then fumbled. When he became impatient and threw balls he shouldn't have thrown, he got intercepted. At the very least, you could argue that, had he merely thrown the ball away instead of taking the sack or throwing the pick, we wouldn't have been behind the 8-ball for most of the game.

I believe the problem is that, in terms of mobility, Kurt more and more resembles a cardboard cutout. He couldn't get outside the tackles to throw the ball away and he couldn't run up the field against a 2-man pass rush. So he had to eat the ball or throw the pick time and time again.

For this reason (and not because Kurt was having a perfectly awful hair day) I would have preferred to see Leinart replace Warner if for no other reason than Matt had more mobility against the defenses we were up against.

Finally, has anyone explained how Jets receivers caught 3 TD touchdown passes with no Cardinal defender within several miles of them? (When you cheat against the run on 4th & 1, does this mean you have to totally ignore high profile receiving threats like Coles, Cotcherie and Keller)?

No, this wasn't "just one game". It was a defining moment for measuring where we are as a team. Right now, I'd say we're precisely where we were last year in terms of consistency and professionalism. (11 penalties? Give me a break)! When I see this team string 3 consecutive well-played winning games together, I'll believe we're finally on our way. Right now, we're a .500 football team (both in record and in playing style). Fortunately, most of our problems are mental and can be corrected.

But the burning question is: "Will we correct them?"

 

[Cards_Campos]

Listen You guys are idiots...(And that is for the people that insulted me first) And yes if I get banned oh well. It is insulting to call me Brenda...And if you dont think so...then that explains this fan base. My opinion was and still is that he played well after the 1st half, especially when you take How bad he played in the 1st half. He had 150 yds and 4 turnovers! And yet down 34-0 and playing as bad as you could play....He threw all over the field for 330 yds and 2 TD's and was responsible for all 5 TOUCHDOWNS!!! the 3 1 yd runs were all because Kurt threw the ball the entire 2nd half, when New York knew it was coming!!! The other point is All teams have bad days!!! The Broncos got beat by a team that hasnt won in 12 games!!! The Dolphins beat the patriots by 25+ points. Oh well. Kurt had a bad half and yet sucked it up, took responsibility for it and came back to give us a chance. Jesus we had the game down to 13 points 3 times!!! Our defense has to stop them atleast once in awhile. Warner didn't blame anyone...He said he stunk it up. And you guys must be all Blonde headed, hootchie skirt wearing, fake boob having, beer bong waving, hot tub owning Lienart Groupies. You guys sit back and wait till he has 1 bad game, and you are ready to ship him to the CFL. This is exactly why the Cardinals are 32 nd in fan base!!!!!!!!! Tony Romo has played 3 straight Playoff games where he has had 10 turnovers to like 3 TD's...He has choked in every big game they have played in the playoff's. And yet not one fan has said lets get rid of him.

I have recieved numerous Emails from people here who agree with me but would rather not post here....knowing the Lienart fan base would jump down them like you do me. Either way I don't give a damn. I will always be a fan whether you guys agree or disagree. But to think that Warner didn't play a good 2nd half is ludricous.

 

[Zeno]

How anyone can't see that the numbers Warner put up in the second half were because we were down 34-0 is beyond me. The Jets didn't need to play a base defense, we weren't going to run the ball, Warner was going to throw multiple times and everyone knew it, the Jets wwere missing starters in their secondary and we have 2 Pro Bowl WRs someone was bound to get open(and it turned out to be Urban & Breaston more often than not). The Jets were willing to concede some points--when the game got close and the Jets adjusted their defense and brought more pressure what happened--he threw in to coverage twice that I can remember that could have been picked and he fumbled.

Warner was awful, no other way to paint it.

 

[Cards_Campos]

Another thing. Boldin got hit and fumbled almost instantly. The field was wet and obviously hard to hang on to the ball. WE had numerous mental errors more than just Kurt Fumbling. Levi let numerous rushers run right by him. The funny thing is...Have any of you watched the game over. The defenders were striking down hard on Kurts arms every time they rushed because 1)They got there instantly and 2) were wide open and usually in Kurts Blind area. His INT's were completey stupid and bad. But Our line has to protect him better. He can't move but neither can Peyton Manning or Dan Marino. Have you ever noticed when Tony Romo gets pressured he always makes stupid mistakes. He 5 TO's in 1 game last year against the Bills. He almost averages 2 a game and throws some terrible INT's. But no one says he is a bad QB. We almost beat a VERY good Washington Team at their home...who just beat up the Cowboys. WHere is everyone saying the defense let Favra pick them apart. I mean he threw 4 TD's of over 23 yds!!! Where was the defense. They didn't punt after the 1st Quarter!!!! Make them punt once and we might win!!! Oh well...You guys will always be blinded...But the Cardinals have never been a good road team...The NFL is a home based sport. IF anyone has noticed we are favored by 1.5 points...That right there should tell you something...that Vegas thinks we will win after these last 2 games and Buffalo undefeated.

 

[Cards_Campos]

How anyone can't see that the numbers Warner put up in the second half were because we were down 34-0 is beyond me. The Jets didn't need to play a base defense, we weren't going to run the ball, Warner was going to throw multiple times and everyone knew it, the Jets wwere missing starters in their secondary and we have 2 Pro Bowl WRs someone was bound to get open(and it turned out to be Urban & Breaston more often than not). The Jets were willing to concede some points--when the game got close and the Jets adjusted their defense and brought more pressure what happened--he threw in to coverage twice that I can remember that could have been picked and he fumbled.

Warner was awful, no other way to paint it.

Dude they played the same style defense and they didnt stop us...You said they buckled down??? We scored 35 points in 1 half!!! Our defense is what buckled...IF the defense would have made them punt just once...we would have cut that game to 6 ....we had it to 13...3 times...If you cant see that than you are not looking. If it is that easy to come back from 34-0 then many teams would have done it. Favre threw 3 TD's over 24 yds in the 4th quarter....Take 2 of them away(since 2 were on 4th down) and you might have seen the best come back ever!