It is just 1 game.

[Rivercard]

Another thing. Boldin got hit and fumbled almost instantly.

Not sure I'm getting it. Are you saying Warner fumbles slower than Boldin?

 

[Cards_Campos]

Not sure I'm getting it. Are you saying Warner fumbles slower than Boldin?

WOw another great example of why the Cardinals are 32nd in fan base.

Boldin hardly ever fumbles, yet he still fumbled yesterday.

The point being...and I cant type slow...Is there were MANY ERRORS yesterday....Not just Warner.... Warner played horrible the first half. But he played Great the 2nd half. He atleast tried to give us a chance...and suceeded...the dfense didnt make them punt 1 time after the 1st quarter.

 

[Rivercard]

IF the defense would have made them punt just once...we would have cut that game to 6 ....we had it to 13...3 times...If you cant see that than you are not looking.

It's hard to make them punt when Warner turns it over in Cardinal territory. Not saying the defense was acceptible, but they were always put in tough situations.

 

[Rivercard]

WOw another great example of why the Cardinals are 32nd in fan base.

lol. Yeah, I'm really dragging down the fanbase statistics.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

WOw another great example of why the Cardinals are 32nd in fan base.

Boldin hardly ever fumbles, yet he still fumbled yesterday.

The point being...and I cant type slow...Is there were MANY ERRORS yesterday....Not just Warner.... Warner played horrible the first half. But he played Great the 2nd half. He atleast tried to give us a chance...and suceeded...the dfense didnt make them punt 1 time after the 1st quarter.

Are you really talking trash about the fan base? Have you not seen EVERY national analyst laughing at us and saying "this is what you get with KW"... Your calling us stupid for seeing whats in front of our own eyes? You wouldn't know a football if it hit you in the head. And if you were within throwing distance of me......

Its like we didn't learn from the Rams and Giants and keep convoluting ourselves into believing this guys is anything but a 6-10 QB good for 20 TD's and 25 turnovers. And who shrinks at the worst possible time.

 

[Russ Smith]

Not sure I'm getting it. Are you saying Warner fumbles slower than Boldin?

And Anquan fumbled because the guy put his helmet right on the ball when he tackled him. That's a lot more understandable than Warner.

 

[Cards_Campos]

It's hard to make them punt when Warner turns it over in Cardinal territory. Not saying the defense was acceptible, but they were always put in tough situations.

Not in the 2nd half!!! That is flat out wrong. Warner had 2 turnovers in the 2nd half...and both came with under 3 minutes to play...and 1 came with no time left!!! We cut the lead to 34-21 and they march 80 yds...we cut it to 41-28 and we pooch kick it from the 45 and let them run back to the 48 with penalty...and they march down the field...and then we cut it to 48-35 ...They did make them miss a fg..and Warner did get hit again..but by that time there 245 left in the game....Warner gave them numerous chances to make 1 stop.

 

[earthsci]

WOw another great example of why the Cardinals are 32nd in fan base.

Yeah, you really need to lose that. The ranking had nothing to do with football knowledge. Nothing, so your perception that nobody is as smart as you and the reason why we were ranked 32nd in the NFL is flawed. You look ignorant when you post that.

 

[joeshmo]

Another thing. Boldin got hit and fumbled almost instantly. The field was wet and obviously hard to hang on to the ball. WE had numerous mental errors more than just Kurt Fumbling. Levi let numerous rushers run right by him. The funny thing is...Have any of you watched the game over. The defenders were striking down hard on Kurts arms every time they rushed because 1)They got there instantly and 2) were wide open and usually in Kurts Blind area. His INT's were completey stupid and bad. But Our line has to protect him better. He can't move but neither can Peyton Manning or Dan Marino. Have you ever noticed when Tony Romo gets pressured he always makes stupid mistakes. He 5 TO's in 1 game last year against the Bills. He almost averages 2 a game and throws some terrible INT's. But no one says he is a bad QB. We almost beat a VERY good Washington Team at their home...who just beat up the Cowboys. WHere is everyone saying the defense let Favra pick them apart. I mean he threw 4 TD's of over 23 yds!!! Where was the defense. They didn't punt after the 1st Quarter!!!! Make them punt once and we might win!!! Oh well...You guys will always be blinded...But the Cardinals have never been a good road team...The NFL is a home based sport. IF anyone has noticed we are favored by 1.5 points...That right there should tell you something...that Vegas thinks we will win after these last 2 games and Buffalo undefeated.

1. 1.5 means Vegas thinks we will lose. 3 points are automatically given to the home team.

2. dont have to watch the game to know that no matter how fast the defenders got there Warner would have fumbled every time. Every fumble Warner had the ball at his hip holding onto it with one hand. I suggest you watch it again and notice that even the announcers noticed it from the very first fumble. "If he keeps holding on the the ball like that it is no wonder he fumbles a lot." Half of Warners sacks are past the 3 or more seconds area. That is the point QB's internal clocks go off and either make a throw, move out of the pocket, or hold onto the ball with two hands. It is QB Fundamentals. That is something Kurt has never had in his career, ever, and that is why he has been benched or let go by two other teams. Anyone with football knowledge will tell you the same. Also it doesnt matter if he is hit from the blind side or not, RB's and WR's are hit on their blind side all the time and dont fumble every single time. Warner fumbles more times per sack then any other QB over the last 10 years. It does not take care of the ball inside the pocket and that is a verified proven fact. Doesnt matter the protection.

3. You cant prove your point so you turn to trying to deflect the arguement. People are crapping all over this defense, there are multiple threads on the topic with as much vile. You may actually know that if you noticed anything outside of Warners world. Why bring up Romo? Not sure what it has to do with Warner. There are a lot of people with question marks about him. The difference is his teams have gone to the playoffs the last 3 years thus deflecting some of that critisiscm. Also there are just as many people who like Warner as there are Matt. Moklerman emailing doesnt count as a lot of people either.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Not in the 2nd half!!! That is flat out wrong. Warner had 2 turnovers in the 2nd half...and both came with under 3 minutes to play...and 1 came with no time left!!! We cut the lead to 34-21 and they march 80 yds...we cut it to 41-28 and we pooch kick it from the 45 and let them run back to the 48 with penalty...and they march down the field...and then we cut it to 48-35 ...They did make them miss a fg..and Warner did get hit again..but by that time there 245 left in the game....Warner gave them numerous chances to make 1 stop.

He also accounted for 10 points ALL BY HIMSELF with his pick 6 and fumble (inexplicable) with 5 seconds left in the half. Its like he was out there in the yard with his kids he looked so nonchalant out there.

He also gave them a short field to work with with the other fumble he lost. And the Boldin fumble you mentioned? That would have never happened had we not been 3rd and goal from the 25 yard line with his 17 yard fumble the play previously.

 

[joeshmo]

And Anquan fumbled because the guy put his helmet right on the ball when he tackled him. That's a lot more understandable than Warner.

Yep. Boldin wasnt holding the ball at his hip like all of Warners Sacks.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Not in the 2nd half!!! That is flat out wrong. Warner had 2 turnovers in the 2nd half...and both came with under 3 minutes to play...and 1 came with no time left!!! We cut the lead to 34-21 and they march 80 yds...we cut it to 41-28 and we pooch kick it from the 45 and let them run back to the 48 with penalty...and they march down the field...and then we cut it to 48-35 ...They did make them miss a fg..and Warner did get hit again..but by that time there 245 left in the game....Warner gave them numerous chances to make 1 stop.

So you mean that he fumbled during crunch time?

 

[Rivercard]

Not in the 2nd half!!!

I love how you cherry-pick the basis of your argument. What about that first warner fumble that Edge recovered for about a 20 yard loss? Should have been points on the board there but you conveniently leave that out of your analysis.

Look, it was an overall bad team effort. The defense was weak - Warner sucked enough times to destroy us even though he managed to throw for 400 yards - they all sucked.

On the bright side, we're getting plenty of on-side kick practice.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I love how you cherry-pick the basis of your argument. What about that first warner fumble that Edge recovered for about a 20 yard loss? Should have been points on the board there but you conveniently leave that out of your analysis.

Look, it was an overall bad team effort. The defense was weak - Warner sucked enough times to destroy us for 3 games even though he managed to throw for 400 yards - they all sucked.

On the bright side, we're getting plenty of on-side kick practice.

fixed that for you.

 

[Pariah]

Are you really talking trash about the fan base?

Everytime he's backed into a corner he does.

He once went as far to say that the fans were the reason the Cards sucked. He's a lot of fun, this one.

now I understand why the Cardinals have sucked so long......The fans are as clueless as the orginization....It is why we are the butt of thousands of jokes from every Newspaper and sports column...

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1640192&postcount=49

 

[joeshmo]

One more thing making this whole he was being sacked a lot and why he fumbled so much and how much of a crock that idea is.

Ben Roethlisberger was sacked 8 times last week. He was getting destroyed far more then Warner was in this game and Ben had a bum shoulder as well. Yet he only fumbled the ball only 2 times. Why is that. Becuase Ben doesnt hold the ball at his hip and he holds the ball with two hands. That isnt Warner and why he fumbles more often per sack then any other QB.

 

[nashman]

Give it up CardsCampos people only see what they want to see. Yesterdays loss is all Kurt Warners fault, the fact the D was no where around and the Jets scored at will is also KW's fault. Its also KW's fault when he gets blindsided and fumbles, its not like someone is supposed to block. I mean if Leinart were starting we would have just destroyed the Jets with 5 yard passes and our awesome running game! And what the hell was Whiz thinking not having KW out there in coverage so Farve wasn't hitting WIDE OPEN recievers. DAMN YOU KURT! DAMN YOOOOOUUUUU!

 

[Pariah]

Yesterdays loss is all Kurt Warners fault,

I don't think there is a single person on this board who believes that.

 

[Rivercard]

He's a lot of fun, this one.

Odds are he does not make his living as a motivational speaker.

 

[nashman]

I know Pariah it was a joke as its comical after a crappy loss like this how everyone loses their minds to an extent.

 

[Cards_Campos]

Everytime he's backed into a corner he does.

He once went as far to say that the fans were the reason the Cards sucked. He's a lot of fun, this one.


http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1640192&postcount=49

Dude ...see you open your mouth to just switch feet. Only the ones that Critisize me personally. I said that based on the fans who use insults or sarcasm to prove a point...Instead of disagreeing and then using facts. WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND??? I mean I dont get mad if you disagree...But the countless threads of ...Brenda is that you? And the fan who actually who tried to use sarcastic humor about my Boldin Fumble explanantion. That is what gets me riled up. It is like Ross Perot back in the 90's constantly using humor and jokes to shoot down his presidential competitors but did nothing to support or shoot down the facts.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Dude ...see you open your mouth to just switch feet. Only the ones that Critisize me personally. I said that based on the fans who use insults or sarcasm to prove a point...Instead of disagreeing and then using facts. WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND??? I mean I dont get mad if you disagree...But the countless threads of ...Brenda is that you? And the fan who actually who tried to use sarcastic humor about my Boldin Fumble explanantion. That is what gets me riled up. It is like Ross Perot back in the 90's constantly using humor and jokes to shoot down his presidential competitors but did nothing to support or shoot down the facts.

Ross Perot had facts and pie charts.

You're overlooking Warner's 1st half, in lieu of the second.

 

[Cards_Campos]

Give it up CardsCampos people only see what they want to see. Yesterdays loss is all Kurt Warners fault, the fact the D was no where around and the Jets scored at will is also KW's fault. Its also KW's fault when he gets blindsided and fumbles, its not like someone is supposed to block. I mean if Leinart were starting we would have just destroyed the Jets with 5 yard passes and our awesome running game! And what the hell was Whiz thinking not having KW out there in coverage so Farve wasn't hitting WIDE OPEN recievers. DAMN YOU KURT! DAMN YOOOOOUUUUU!

Wow and actual person who agrees with me...Kinda I'll take it. But to thosew who don't...Give me reasons why. Just don't whip at your insult book and throw jabs without any facts. I dont get upset with disagreement...Just nonsense.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Wow and actual person who agrees with me...Kinda I'll take it. But to thosew who don't...Give me reasons why. Just don't whip at your insult book and throw jabs without any facts. I dont get upset with disagreement...Just nonsense.

nashman isn't exactly known for his objectivity............

Do you really want me to list the facts about how poorly Kurt Warner played? They are so painfully obvious, most KW backers can see them.

 

[Cards_Campos]

Ross Perot had facts and pie charts.

You're overlooking Warner's 1st half, in lieu of the second.

NOPE...Reread...I said he played a horrible 1st half. There is no denying that. But with that fisrt half...it had to make coming out in the 2nd even harder!!!! He didnt seem to have it at all!!! And yet still threw for 330 yds and really was responsible for 5 TD's because we rushed 5 times! I said he played overall not as bad as it looked. Meaning Rex Grossman...ended up with a 1.2 QB rating or something. Warner somehow atleast got it together. We would take his 2nd half....In every GAME the rest of the way!!!! ANd tell me you wouldn't!!