It's official. Cards and K K are one Kliff Kingsbury Cards

[Zeno]

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[football karma]

Big picture on the Kingsbury hire:

1. In a perfect world, KK would have spent a couple years in the NFL for a couple years --

2. But the problem is that if you bring KK in as OC, and he is what you think he is, then in one year, two max -- you are either losing him as another team hires him as HC, or, you have to fire your current HC to make him HC. ugh

3. So -- you hire him knowing that you will have to "invest" a year or two in KK's learning and development. You need to surround him with support -- i.e strong DC and staff.

4. This is a long term hire --- and screams Keim. Willing to get a super high ceiling by "reaching" for a guy who lacks the standard experience.

5. If Keim was really about making sure he finished his contract in the job and got another -- its Jim Caldwell, who probably gets the team to 9-7 in two years and competes for a playoff spot...… but that's the high end. So -- while I am a guy who called for Keim to go, I respect betting his future on a coach. If it works, then the Cards are at a different level with a coach with a long run time. If it doesn't, then he is gone and likely never a GM in the NFL again.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Read yesterday that a wideout, surname Williams, who caught 100+ balls with over 1000 yds gained was given his release by the Edmonton Eskimos so he could sign with the Cards.

 

[TheCardFan]

Interesting segment with Cris Carter.

He compared KK to Denny Green (unsuccessful college coach) making the transition to Minnesota.

Green was 43 when he started with Vikings.

I don't know the answer...what made him a better NFL coach?

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[82CardsGrad]

oh come the F on. You KNOW I was talking about COACHING experience and if you DIDN'T, I don't know what to tell you... considering EVERYTHING I was talking about was in re: coaching.

I mean, seriously?? (see what I did there... that's the proper use of double question marks after an absolutely insanely stupid response ).

Man... of all the whacky people on this board (of which I am one), I don't think I misconnect with any of them as much as I do with you. That might be a compliment to you by the way!
I post from work... which means I don't often have enough time to devote to reading between the lines. You used the phrase "played in the league..." I read it quickly and reacted.
Anyway... Kingsbury has since picked up ringing endorsements from Mahomes and Tom Brady, who played with Kingsbury "in the league" and remains extremely impressed with him. I seriously don't see how Taylor ranks above Kingsbury... at all.

 

[Ronin]

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[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I don't know if he's good or not but I would point out Chris Beard has Texas Tech's basketball team at 13-1 with that one loss a very competitive loss to Duke where they led much of the game..

I agree it's harder to recruit there, but it is possible take lower rated recruits. He was actually sub 500 in the 2 years Mahomes was the starting QB.

That said, those 2 years they averaged 45 and 43 PPG so the part he'll be in control of with us, he was pretty good at in college.

Cmon Russ you know hoops and football are two waaaaay different creatures. A single great basketball player can lift a program. Not the same with football.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Yeah, I know. Winning record, and success doesn't mean as much as getting on a hype train based on one nationally televised game.

But, hey, when the team goes 1-15 next year, I am SURE that will move the needle. LOL!

Everyone one of the Caldwell apologists love to tout his record, but the real Jim Caldwell showed true the year he went 1-15 without Peyton.

 

[CardsFan88]

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This is who the players are. College or NFL. Love it or hate it, it IS. Stuff like this whatever it looks like to the outside is pure gold inside.

Does anyone think Wilks has popped bottles in a club?

He will relate to players in ways many other coaches can't, both on and off the field, will command their attention, and I believe they are going to love him. In this way, think if Arians was in his 30's.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

This is who the players are. College or NFL. Love it or hate it, it IS. Stuff like this whatever it looks like to the outside is pure gold inside.

Does anyone think Wilks has popped bottles in a club?

He will relate to players in ways many other coaches can't, both on and off the field, will command their attention, and I believe they are going to love him. In this way, think if Arians was in his 30's.

Agreed...He's Arians, if Arians had a chance to be a HC 30 years ago.

 

[Big D]

This is who the players are. College or NFL. Love it or hate it, it IS. Stuff like this whatever it looks like to the outside is pure gold inside.

Does anyone think Wilks has popped bottles in a club?

He will relate to players in ways many other coaches can't, both on and off the field, will command their attention, and I believe they are going to love him. In this way, think if Arians was in his 30's.

Broach K

 

[overseascardfan]

Keim followed the BA mantra of “No risk, no biscuit” with this hire no doubt. I’m sure he will win over the young players but he needs a veteran staff whom the guys like Peterson & Jones can respect and get behind so you don’t have a divided locker room. The veteran players also need to step up their leadership and keep themselves in check.

 

[Southpaw]

Whoops

 

[TheCardFan]

Agreed...He's Arians, if Arians had a chance to be a HC 30 years ago.

Hopefully...but without the stubbornness.

 

[Southpaw]

whoops

 

[Southpaw]

This is who the players are. College or NFL. Love it or hate it, it IS. Stuff like this whatever it looks like to the outside is pure gold inside.

Does anyone think Wilks has popped bottles in a club?

He will relate to players in ways many other coaches can't, both on and off the field, will command their attention, and I believe they are going to love him. In this way, think if Arians was in his 30's.

The new generation of players are different.

 

[HeHasRosen]

Between the name, avatar and this post I almost feel like this has to be trolling, but I'll bite... TTU games can be seen on TV and plenty of people have watched them play.

You cannot say dudes offense was awesome in B12 and that mean much anywhere else. They play B12 and the couple OOC are almost always scrubs. Avging over 500 ypg is nothing in special in the B12 just like giving up 500 ypg isn't crazy either.

So out of the entirety of football KK is only supplanted by Riley and TTU gave that up because the reason they sucked was the talent gap between them and the rest of the B12?

This whole thing seems like the classic case of someone no one was paying attention to and someone else shows some interest and suddenly everyone else is jockeying to get their attention.

I hope I'm wrong. I want another playoff run right now so I get swinging for the fences, but this is like a situation only Forrest Gump could fall into... Guy gets fired from TTU HC, goes to USC for one month as OC and now in HC in NFL, wtf? I mean really the only next logical end to the story is that he becomes the greatest HC of all time?

I wasn't excited by the Wilks pick but I was excited by the prospect of new blood. I thought he would come in and maintain status quo but improve the areas BA was so stubborn with to a fault and we would at least be treading water. Sorry, not falling into that trap again with SK putting together the roster, giving a B12 castoff at HC, and a QB that has shown no signs of life.

Once the Cards start winning is when I gleefully hop on KK bandwagon and off the fire Keim bandwagon.

No troll here. Been reading this board since i was a teenager. Finally was able to create an account last year due to email requirements before. Just so happens we drafted one of the guys im really high on (Rosen, Mayfield) after having the guy i really wanted the year before stolen right from under our nose (Watson). Just a die hard AZ sports fan that was and still is really high on Rosen.

As far as playing in the B12 and KK under achieving, sure, but his offense didn't. Its fine to be skeptical. Im not saying he is a sure thing. But his offense is very similar to Mcvays or Rileys. Spread out the defence vertically and get the ball out quick. Things that will benefit this offense and Rosen.

Im done with mediocrity. Thats what you get with a guy like Caldwell. No thanks. Taylor? He is Mcvays clipboard holder. He is not an innovative mind himself but an understudy of Mcvay. There is a reason Mcvay wanted KK for this playoff run. He knows he has the goods.

We have to think realistically here. Were the Cardinals. Were aren't going to attract the big names. Its just the facts. Only way we get one of those guys is before they get big. Thats why i like the hire. If im wrong then we fire Kiem and start over. Id rather swing big and miss than go 6-10, 7-9, 8-8 for the next three years. At least if we fail this way we will be set up for the rebuild with decent draft status and a clean sheet.

The good thing is most were ok with the Wilks hiring. Most hate this one so it will probably be great.

 

[Zeno]

Interesting segment with Cris Carter.

He compared KK to Denny Green (unsuccessful college coach) making the transition to Minnesota.

Green was 43 when he started with Vikings.

I don't know the answer...what made him a better NFL coach?

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I think the big difference between Green and Kingsbury that stands out is that Green was an NFL assistant w/ the 49ers as well prior to being an NFL HC. Still I liked that segment w/ Carter, he was a doubter but after talking to football people he trusted he is warming up to the idea.

 

[TheCardFan]

I think the big difference between Green and Kingsbury that stands out is that Green was an NFL assistant w/ the 49ers as well prior to being an NFL HC. Still I liked that segment w/ Carter, he was a doubter but after talking to football people he trusted he is warming up to the idea.

True.

KK did play in the NFL though...has a Super Bowl ring with the Patriots.

 

[GuernseyCard]

I think the big difference between Green and Kingsbury that stands out is that Green was an NFL assistant w/ the 49ers as well prior to being an NFL HC. Still I liked that segment w/ Carter, he was a doubter but after talking to football people he trusted he is warming up to the idea.

Well, unlike Green, he wore a uniform in the League and that perspective is worth something

 

[Zeno]

I watched a Texas Tech produced clip of Kingsbury and he was talking how he spent time with the Dolphins and Broncos observing their training camps to try to learn some things. I think this was 2-3 years ago because Mahomes was still at Texas Tech, I wonder if he built a relationship up with any of those coaches from either organization while he was there.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Read yesterday that a wideout, surname Williams, who caught 100+ balls with over 1000 yds gained was given his release by the Edmonton Eskimos so he could sign with the Cards.

Signed with Bills.

 

[GuernseyCard]

I watched a Texas Tech produced clip of Kingsbury and he was talking how he spent time with the Dolphins and Broncos observing their training camps to try to learn some things. I think this was 2-3 years ago because Mahomes was still at Texas Tech, I wonder if he built a relationship up with any of those coaches from either organization while he was there.

Coaching is a fraternity.

You're in or you're not, with all the benefits of membership.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Signed with Bills.

There are two Williams.

 

[MadCardDisease]

TJ with the good find.... lol

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