It's Official, Carson Palmer is a Cardinal!

Napier

Pond Hopping
Joined
Jul 14, 2003
Posts
152
Reaction score
4
Location
Queen Creek, AZ
Thank goodness we have finally done something about getting a veteran QB with a decent amount of experience on the roster! It really takes a lot of pressure off of us going in to the draft - I am really not sold on any of the QBs in this year's class.

Hopefully this is the end of the QB carousel for a couple of seasons.
 

JeffGollin

ASFN Icon
Joined
May 14, 2002
Posts
20,472
Reaction score
3,056
Location
Holmdel, NJ
Thank goodness we have finally done something about getting a veteran QB with a decent amount of experience on the roster! It really takes a lot of pressure off of us going in to the draft - I am really not sold on any of the QBs in this year's class.

Hopefully this is the end of the QB carousel for a couple of seasons.
Finally, Cardinal fans have the opportunity to talk about something that's happened instead of spending countless hours grousing about what may or may not happen.
 

JCSunsfan

ASFN Icon
Joined
Oct 24, 2002
Posts
22,115
Reaction score
6,551
This doesn't preclude the need to get a QBOF on the roster right away. Palmer buys 2 years to develop but not much more.
 

jf-08

chohan
Administrator
Super Moderator
Supporting Member
Joined
May 15, 2002
Posts
28,076
Reaction score
24,093
Location
Eye in the Sky
Those who say that CP got most of his yards in garbage time, I have a question for you.

How did our QBs do in garbage time last year?

This is an improvement at a little to no risk.
 

CardsSunsDbacks

Not So Skeptical
Joined
Aug 26, 2012
Posts
10,190
Reaction score
6,664
Those who say that CP got most of his yards in garbage time, I have a question for you.

How did our QBs do in garbage time last year?

This is an improvement at a little to no risk.
Palmer played his best football in the second half of games when his team was already trailing. Personally that is very impressive to me because his opponents were expecting the pass in those situations and yet that is when he played his best football.

This part is not me saying that Palmer is as good and certainly not better than Warner, but Looking at Warner's stats in 2009 he was the complete opposite of Palmer in the sense that his worst quarter that year was by far the 4th quarter and the 1st quarter was by far his best. Palmer on the other hand played his worst football in the 1st quarter last season, but played some of his best football in the 4th quarter. Also I understand that we won 10 games in 2009 and thus Warner may have had better numbers if he was being forced to come from behind as apposed to just protecting the lead.
 
Last edited:

Gee!

BirdGang
Supporting Member
Joined
Nov 17, 2003
Posts
26,222
Reaction score
25
Location
Gee From The G
Those who say that CP got most of his yards in garbage time, I have a question for you.

How did our QBs do in garbage time last year?

This is an improvement at a little to no risk.

Well that's the thing.. For as bad as we were last year.. Our defense kept us in games.. We could have won games if we had a QB.. Now Arians destroyed the defense that kept us in games..
 

kerouac9

Klowned by Keim
Joined
Feb 14, 2003
Posts
38,706
Reaction score
30,557
Location
Gilbert, AZ
Those who say that CP got most of his yards in garbage time, I have a question for you.

How did our QBs do in garbage time last year?

This is an improvement at a little to no risk.

Was there a ton of garbage time available to our quarterbacks last year? In the Green Bay game, Skelton came alive and gave his supporters hope in the final quarter when the game was largely out of reach. In the Minnesota game, we got 2 TDs in garbage time to make the final look respectable.

Skelton only looked adequate in garbage time; Ryan Lindley was just garbage.
 

jf-08

chohan
Administrator
Super Moderator
Supporting Member
Joined
May 15, 2002
Posts
28,076
Reaction score
24,093
Location
Eye in the Sky
Well that's the thing.. For as bad as we were last year.. Our defense kept us in games.. We could have won games if we had a QB.. Now Arians destroyed the defense that kept us in games..

No Whisenhunt destroyed the defense when he sucked and got fired and as a result, his staff was almost all let go.

Why are people in an uproar about the overhaul on the D? Yes it was good, and times borderline great. But the TEAM needed an overhaul.
 

Duckjake

LEGACY MEMBER
LEGACY MEMBER
Joined
Jun 10, 2002
Posts
32,190
Reaction score
317
Location
Texas
I was talking to a Raiders fan at my work.. Asked him about us getting Carson.. He said he has to roll with Matt now.. But said tht most of Carsons yards come in the 3rd and 4th qtr when the Raiders were getting blown out..


He seemed genuine in that he seemed to rather have Carsonbut did offer up that nugget.. Since we just dismantled our defense, this doesnt sound good.. If we had Carson last year it might have been a different story..

Here's some numbers from last season in relation to that.

1st half 1,947 yards 8TD 8INT 2nd half 2,071 14TD 6INT
1st quarter 767 yards 1TD 4INT
2nd quarter 1,180 yards 7TDs 4INT
3rd quarter 805 yards 6TDs 1INT
4th quarter 1,266 yards 8TDs 5INT

That doesn't seem to back up the garbage time statement.

Looking at the situational stats you see that the Raiders were so bad they were almost always behind so in reality it was garbage time from the opening kickoff.

Most concerning stat:
4th quarter down by 7 or less 27-45 312 yards 0TDs 3INTs. Now that would tend to substantiate the statement that Palmer throws heartbreaking picks.
 

BigRedRage

Reckless
Supporting Member
Joined
Mar 25, 2005
Posts
48,274
Reaction score
12,525
Location
SE valley
Well that's the thing.. For as bad as we were last year.. Our defense kept us in games.. We could have won games if we had a QB.. Now Arians destroyed the defense that kept us in games..


Meh - letting horton go sure but i think horton wanted out when he wasnt named HC anyway.

I dont think cutting rhodes and wilson will destroy the D no matter how much I liked those two. We still have an amazing DL and dwash along with PP and cason (cason is an upgrade IMO)
 

Duckjake

LEGACY MEMBER
LEGACY MEMBER
Joined
Jun 10, 2002
Posts
32,190
Reaction score
317
Location
Texas
Meh - letting horton go sure but i think horton wanted out when he wasnt named HC anyway.

I dont think cutting rhodes and wilson will destroy the D no matter how much I liked those two. We still have an amazing DL and dwash along with PP and cason (cason is an upgrade IMO)

It could cause serious problems in coverage early as we have almost an entirely new secondary. In the past it was just one CB a year but now its 4 of the top 5 DBs. It will take these guys a while to gel as a unit. Of course I don't think too many people really believe Rashod Johnson and Yeremiah Bell are as good as Adrian Wilson and Kerry Rhodes.

BUT, there are some really good looking Safeties in this draft class. If we get one of those guys we could be right back in play.

One thing I might add is that I was puzzled at what Arians said about wanting to upgrade the Safety position and correlated that to what seemed to me the Cardinals giving up a lot of long pass plays especially at inopportune times. So maybe we were overrating our Safeties.

At any rate no matter what anyone says: after the Cards kept Wilson past 2011 I REALLY wanted him to end his career in Arizona and I'll be mad they let him go for a long time.
 

BigRedRage

Reckless
Supporting Member
Joined
Mar 25, 2005
Posts
48,274
Reaction score
12,525
Location
SE valley
I miss wilson already too but it is what it is. Im happy he was here as long as he was.
 

Cheesebeef

ASFN IDOL
Supporting Member
Joined
Jan 2, 2003
Posts
92,216
Reaction score
70,503
Those who say that CP got most of his yards in garbage time, I have a question for you.

How did our QBs do in garbage time last year?

This is an improvement at a little to no risk.

they did terrible. I don't think ANYONE here is saying Palmer isn't an upgrade. He definitely is, and that's good, but I still have concerns whether or not he's good enough to make us a fringe playoff team... or even 8-8.
 

Shane

Comin for you!
Super Moderator
Moderator
Supporting Member
Joined
May 13, 2002
Posts
69,483
Reaction score
40,117
Location
Las Vegas
they did terrible. I don't think ANYONE here is saying Palmer isn't an upgrade. He definitely is, and that's good, but I still have concerns whether or not he's good enough to make us a fringe playoff team... or even 8-8.

Honestly? Who gives a rats ass :)

At the very least the season is worth watching again. Thats really all I care about!
 

CardsFan88

ASFN Addict
Joined
May 28, 2002
Posts
7,642
Reaction score
4,742
I don't think we destroyed the defense.

I think we made big changes in the secondary. Especially the safety position.

We still have the draft loaded with Safeties.

I can see our defense being better than last year, though with changes and a new regime, it is realistic to think we will take a step back.

But it's a step back from a very high level, and one that might snap back the 2nd half of the season. Even then we're starting a new regime, thus we're setting the whole roster up to compete as this regime sets its roots.

I feel that if our defense takes a step back from its high level it is still a good defense that keeps us in games, but now our offense should be able to win games. Thus I see a potential big net gain.

Plus we're never sure what happens from year to year. If Horton stayed there's no guarantee it would be better than what Bowles puts out there this year. On paper it would have looked stronger, and we'll never be able to know, but it happens.

But we took all these savings, at a position which is stacked in the draft, and used those savings to get Palmer. We would not have been able to afford Palmer unless we made those cuts....unless we didn't sign a few of the guys we did sign, and I really like the value of what we got. Both $$ wise and talent wise.

I would not be surprise if a safety is our 2nd or 3rd round pick. If we succeed in that, and we hit on that pick, the moves we made look really good. Right now I'm optimistic that events are falling into place for us, and that those events seem to have been part of a rather specific, yet general plan, executed in superior fashion.

The timing of some of our cuts wasn't ideal, but the overall plan and execution from that point on has been superb imo.
 

JCSunsfan

ASFN Icon
Joined
Oct 24, 2002
Posts
22,115
Reaction score
6,551
Of course most of the yards of any qb on a bad team come in the 3rd and 4th quarters of blowout games. That is when the team abandons the run and throws the ball on virtually every play. I am not sure how that changes the way a qb's numbers should be viewed. There are still defenders on the field, most likely first teamers.
 

Darkside

ASFN Addict
BANNED BY MODERATORS
Joined
May 27, 2010
Posts
8,107
Reaction score
191
Location
Tempe, AZ
Of course most of the yards of any qb on a bad team come in the 3rd and 4th quarters of blowout games. That is when the team abandons the run and throws the ball on virtually every play. I am not sure how that changes the way a qb's numbers should be viewed. There are still defenders on the field, most likely first teamers.

My main concern is his first quarter stats. They're like Skelton giving up two safeties and then coming back to win the game. We've been through that before. I have hope for Carson but those first quarter stats aren't going to go away, they happened.

Sent from my DROID RAZR HD using Tapatalk 2
 

Duckjake

LEGACY MEMBER
LEGACY MEMBER
Joined
Jun 10, 2002
Posts
32,190
Reaction score
317
Location
Texas
My main concern is his first quarter stats. They're like Skelton giving up two safeties and then coming back to win the game. We've been through that before. I have hope for Carson but those first quarter stats aren't going to go away, they happened.

Sent from my DROID RAZR HD using Tapatalk 2

Larry Fitzgerald, Michael Floyd, and Andre Roberts instead of Darrius Heyward-Bay, Denarius Moore, and Rod Streater should help improve those stats.

It's been said on here many times that a WR needs 2-3 years to really be at the top of his game in the NFL. Denarius Moore was a 5th round rookie and Streater was an UDFA from a Jr. College if I'm not mistaken in his 2nd season. I think our WRs are a little better.

One thing that was surprising was that Criner didn't get more touches.
 
Last edited:
Top