J-Rich and Turk to Magic

[ASUCHRIS]

I give up. What is BIM? It has a lot of meanings in slang or the Urban Dictionary.

For someone who has been on the board since 03, I'm shocked you don't get it.

BIM = BRIAN IN MESA

 

[sunsfan88]

This is a terrific trade, I am dumb founded that people here are so tepid about it.

This gives the Suns flexibility going forward, thats important! They moved Hedo's horrible contract and didn't bring back any bad contracts (well VCs, but its expiring).

VC can to some degree replace what J-Rich did. Gortat is an excellent rebounded and defender (he would've been ideal next to Amare, too bad we don't have him anymore!), getting a 1st rounder is always good, even if its late, and Pietrus is an excellent wing defender and 3 point shooter.

I really don't see a down side to this trade at all for Phoenix. They lose Richardson, but who cares? Even if they did resign him, is Jason Richardson, he of 0 career All Star appearances, really who you want to build your team around? He's a nice 3rd or 4th guy on a really good team, but not the kind of guy to pin the Suns future on, and now they got something for him.

Gortat can play a little 4, and obviously so can Frye. So depending on how Gentry wants to work it, he's got a lot of options but I'd imagine the new 2 deep is:

C Gortat/Lopez
PF Warrick/Frye
SF Hill/Pietrus
SG Carter/Dudley
PG Nash/Dragic

Whether this trade is it for now or just setting the Suns up for some more moves, its a good move.



You really want Rashards contract?

Exactly!

But I think your wrong about the SG and SF rotation.

Pietrus would be the backup SG and Dudley would be the backup SF.

 

[SweetD]

Great move Hedo's contract was horrible, Gortat might be able to play at the 4 with Robin. Pietrus is a great bench player that can play D and shoot the three. Clark was not going to make it on this team and might not even get a new contract from the Magic. JRich was one of our best scores and it is sad to see him go, but VC's production will be comparable. I wonder what this staff can do for his aging body ala, Shaq, Nash, Hill & ect.... lets see is they can get VC's butt muscles firing again. LOL

 

[Mr. Boldin]

In terms of rebuilding, this is a great deal for the Suns.

Not ruling out the Suns, considering they are still lingering around the 8 spot, but Carter will at least give them someone to pair with Nash and Gortat is very good. It will be interesting to see where the Suns stand in the playoff race at the deadline.

In terms of reality, I think its a strong possibility Nash is gone at the deadline. The question is, where? Atlanta could definitely use him. Obviously, the Knicks are gonna be out there, despite Felton's improved play.

I can definitely see Pietrus being moved easily. I think the Hornets would be a good spot, but if they give up a first its going to be highly protected as they just shipped out their 2011 pick.

Gortat and Lopez is a solid foundation in the paint going forward. They obviously need perimeter talent and I wouldnt be shocked to see them pick up a lightly used young guard (Marcus Thornton is available) for Pietrus.

As I said earlier, this moved improves the Suns future as early as this summer (no Hedo, no Carter) but also can potentially keep them in the playoff hunt. Im not sure what Sarver's interests are, but we will find out at the deadline for certain.

 

[HooverDam]

The only thing better than this trade would be if it were this instead:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2g7pz3x

With both the Suns & Magic 2011 picks going to Denver and maybe the Suns 2013 pick as well or something.

C Gortat/Lopez
PF Anthony/Warrick
SF Hill/Childress
SG Pietrus/Dudley
PG Nash/Carter

Though thats probably not even enough to get 'Melo (and yes, I do think he could play the 4 for the Suns, especially next to a big like Gortat).

 

[Griffin]

I like this deal. The Suns weren't really going anywhere with the group of players they had, so sometimes change is good just for the sake of a change. But in this case, I think the Suns might have improved somewhat. Like I said in other threads, Richardson would not have been re-signed this summer. That's why the Suns signed Childress. So while we are losing our top scorer, he would have been gone anyway. The fact that we can immediately replace him with Carter, who still plays well enough and is also an expiring contract, is a bonus.

I explored the idea of trading Richardson for a big like Dalembert, but this trade essentially flips Turkoglu for Gortat and Pietrus, unloading Turk's long contract for more manageable ones and giving us a player in Gortat that fills an immediate need. The draft pick is a bonus.

I think Carter will play well in our system. He would also be probably cheaper to re-sign than Richardson should the Suns choose to go that route. The big question is can Gortat really play beyond the limited role he had with the Magic. I'm assuming he'll still come off the bench in Phoenix, at least initially, but he'll play more minutes.

 

[Mr. Boldin]

Wouldnt matter, because Melo isnt resigning with the Suns...

 

[Chaplin]

Anthony Randolph anyone? Those 2 picks might look mighty nice for a Knick team trying to get Carmelo.

 

[HooverDam]

Anthony Randolph anyone? Those 2 picks might look mighty nice for a Knick team trying to get Carmelo.

You want to trade two first rounders for Anthony Randolph? He's more of a 3 than a 4, so he doesn't really clear up the Suns long jam there. Id considering 1 pick for him, likely Orlando's, but 2 is way too much.

 

[Chaplin]

You want to trade two first rounders for Anthony Randolph? He's more of a 3 than a 4, so he doesn't really clear up the Suns long jam there. Id considering 1 pick for him, likely Orlando's, but 2 is way too much.

The Orlando one is pretty much a 2nd rounder, so it's not worth that much. Certainly not enough to match Randolph alone. Right now PHX is at #15 and ORL is at #22. But hey, seeing as we have a ton of good luck with mid- to late-round picks...

Oh. Wait.

:earlclark:

 

[Folster]

Anthony Randolph anyone? Those 2 picks might look mighty nice for a Knick team trying to get Carmelo.

Two picks for Randolph? No thanks. Actually, NY really needs a pick in 2012. They have their 2011 and 2013 picks but can't trade either because they don't own a 2012 pick. I wonder if this trade opens up any deals with Sac for Thompson though.

 

[Mainstreet]

Anthony Randolph anyone? Those 2 picks might look mighty nice for a Knick team trying to get Carmelo.

I'm not sure if Anthony Randolph is worth two first round draft picks. The Suns should be able attract interest with a number of teams offering two first round draft picks and say a player like Warrick (or not). I'm not saying I wouldn't do the deal but I just don't know.

 

[Chaplin]

Two picks for Randolph? No thanks. Actually, NY really needs a pick in 2012. They have their 2011 and 2013 picks but can't trade either because they don't own a 2012 pick. I wonder if this trade opens up any deals with Sac for Thompson though.

Sacramento will NOT deal with Phoenix. Even Paul Coro confirmed that.

 

[Mainstreet]

Sacramento will NOT deal with Phoenix. Even Paul Coro confirmed that.

Sometimes there are offers you can't refuse.

 

[AzStevenCal]

For someone who has been on the board since 03, I'm shocked you don't get it.

BIM = BRIAN IN MESA

You should also point out that it's a board accepted method of politely correcting (and perhaps slightly mocking) someone when they use a substandard word such as irregardless.

Steve

 

[Chaplin]

Sometimes there are offers you can't refuse.

But is there an offer we can make that Sac can't refuse? I'm not sure there is because they don't appear to be desperate to get rid of him.

On the other hand, we could always package the Orlando pick and one of our trade exceptions and get him. Cut Barron and/or Siler and we'd be set for the time being.

 

[Chaplin]

You should also point out that it's a board accepted method of politely correcting (and perhaps slightly mocking) someone when they use a substandard word such as irregardless.

Steve

Absofrickly right.

 

[Errntknght]

I thought Pietrus had a good career ahead of him when he came into the league, but he keeps getting traded so not sure about him. We have to watch and see how he works out.

Do you all remember that Gortat was drafted by the suns in the 2nd round and then sold for $750.000.?

New York is looking for a first round pick to help their trade for Anthony, I forget the player they are trying to move for the pick? young power forward, Anyone?

Early in the year Pietrus was said to be persona non grata in Orlando - a falling out with the coach I think - so I'd agree that he's rather a question mark.

The Suns sold Orlando the pick used to get Gortat - ten to one they'd not have drafted him themselves.

Anthony Randolph is the young Knick you're talking about, I believe. There has been talk in here fairly recently about trying to get him - I mentioned it once myself, if nothing else.


A good trade for both teams - Orlando has been sliding of late (losing 5 of 6, IIRC) and they're clearly hoping that Hedo will return to form for them. They've got one of lowest assist rates (half the Suns rate) in the league so he should help with that and he'll help their 3pt shooting as well. Richardson gives them a boost from 3, too - and an overall improvement at SG.

My guess is that Pietrus was in the trade at their insistence - see above. He's regarded as a good perimeter defender so I hope he works out well for us.

 

[Chaplin]

Early in the year Pietrus was said to be persona non grata in Orlando - a falling out with the coach I think - so I'd agree that he's rather a question mark.

The Suns sold Orlando the pick used to get Gortat - ten to one they'd not have drafted him themselves.

Anthony Randolph is the young Knick you're talking about, I believe. There has been talk in here fairly recently about trying to get him - I mentioned it once myself, if nothing else.


A good trade for both teams - Orlando has been sliding of late (losing 5 of 6, IIRC) and they're clearly hoping that Hedo will return to form for them. They've got one of lowest assist rates (half the Suns rate) in the league so he should help with that and he'll help their 3pt shooting as well. Richardson gives them a boost from 3, too - and an overall improvement at SG.

My guess is that Pietrus was in the trade at their insistence - see above. He's regarded as a good perimeter defender so I hope he works out well for us.

Plus I believe he's bigger than Raja, so he could be the best defender we've had in quite some time.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Absofrickly right.

BIM: Absofreakinlutely, alt. sp. absofrickenlutely

Steve

 

[TJ]

Just looking at this from a basic perspective:

I like the trade. The main reason is because we get rid of two almost irrelevant players (Hedo and Clark) and get three players who not only fill positions of need but can contribute right away. Size is a big deficiency on this team and Gortat is a guy who can play the 4 and 5. I always thought when he spelled Howard, there wasn't a dramatic drop off. In his career, he has averaged 4.3 RPG in 13 MPG. And he plays defense!

Pietrus is a dangerous player. I watched him during the finals a couple of years ago and he was straight up raining threes on the Lakers, who are a good perimeter defensive team. IMO, he fits our system like a glove. He can score and at a frenetic pace

And then there's Vincanity. Hmmmm.....the $64 question is what are we gonna get out of him. The reports are his motivation was no longer in Orlando; hence, his play diminished. If somehow Nash and Gentry can get into his head and give him a purpose to go all out, then we become a very dangerous team. Perhaps a change of scenery will do him good. Even this season, he's not a slouch. And if the Vince Experiment doesnt work, the team is only on the hook for $4 mil next season

 

[TBaslim]

Go Babby n Blanks!

Great trade for the Suns. I was really (REALLY) worried about what a Babby/Blank FO would bring the team, especially after this summer...and this is a positive first sign. Many more tests to go, but I'm impressed.

Hedo was just a terrible pickup for this team, especially once Amare was gone. He's a talent, but has only blown up playing with a dominant defensive big like Dwight Howard. Otherwise he's an overpaid bench player with a lackadaisical attitude who needs the ball in his hands. Playing with two really good point guards in a PG system. Not a good fit. An NBA.com article on the trade quoted an anonymous Suns source saying that Hedo had started acting like he was already retired, and it was having negative impacts on Goran. Ugh - SO glad he is gone.

Earl Clark has the body to be a really good player. Suns clearly don't think he has the brains and/or the will to live up to that. He might still (he's young), but it won't be in Phoenix. Best for him to get some burn somewhere else before he loses his chance at an NBA career.

JRich has been great for the team the last year or so. Folks forget that he really took awhile to fit in. Many wanted him traded for a bag of peanuts when he first arrived. But he showed his stuff last spring. Fits well with Nash and apparently a great team player. However, he was probably not coming back (will get one more big $$ contract this summer) and was most likely to be traded due to his expiring contract and the glut of wing players. Wish him the very best in Orlando and wherever he goes from there.

We'll see what Gortat, Pietrius and VC bring. Gortat could be what the team needs. The Suns need PF/C size and rebounding badly. Gortat has shown a lot in the past when Howard was injured, but never received starter minutes since then. He could be starting within 5 games. That might actually help Lopez. Robin can still be a really solid starting NBA center on a good team, but needs more time. Centers and PGs take awhile. He's just too young to be thrown into the fire as the team's Obi-Wan Kenobi big man post-Amare.

On paper, Pietrius fits great as an athletic, defensive bench guy who can shoot the 3 (like Duds). However, he may have an attitude as he has moved around a lot of teams. I think he and the rest of the wings not named Grant Hill are all mix-n-match tradebait for a good PF. I sure hope we keep Dudley.

VC? Well...I think he may be traded by the deadline for a PF along with a wing and a draft pick, but who knows. Worst case he's gone by summer or they even buy him out. Best case is he finds the Phx Fountain of Youth and a better attitude running with Nash and Hill and crew. Which is so much better than 4 more years of Hedo phoning it in.

I think Steve Kerr did a really solid job as GM once he figured things out, but it seemed he could not negotiate a trade at all. Good talent evaluator, esp of current players, but not a negotiator. I get the sense from this trade that Babby is a negotiator. If so, thank goodness. Suns have been lacking that in the FO since Jerry stepped away.

I mean, we actually got cash and a 1st round draft pick to pay for Carter's contract buyout this summer! Amazing. That is a new thing for the Sarver years. In the past, we would have given up a few picks in this type of deal.

Be interesting to see how the new pieces gel and if another move is made soon, or waits until the trade deadline.

I hope we can rebuild enough to make another run with Nash and Hill...doubtful, but it would be amazing. Otherwise, I hope they start rebuilding the right way vs the wrong way. It will make all the difference the next decade for this team.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I really liked JRich and will miss him. But, there is a chance we could sign him back in the summer if we want. Gortat/Lopez at C and Frye/Warrick at pf is not bad at all. It allows us to have a big defensive space eater on the floor at all times. The draft pick is nice, but it will be low. It is probably worth more in a trade than actually picking with it.

Gortat ranks 19 in the league in reb/48 min. Curious to see how effective he is with more minutes. He is going to get a good long look over Robin, I think.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

You should also point out that it's a board accepted method of politely correcting (and perhaps slightly mocking) someone when they use a substandard word such as irregardless.

Steve

Ha, I couldn't think of a nice way to hen peck on that one, so decided to avoid it altogether. I was disappointed in Mainstreet for that one though...

 

[Mainstreet]

Ha, I couldn't think of a nice way to hen peck on that one, so decided to avoid it altogether. I was disappointed in Mainstreet for that one though...

Andrew is that you?