J-Rich and Turk to Magic

[JCSunsfan]

Is that pick we got protected in any way?

 

[Evil Ash]

Gambo's Tweet regarding other teams' interest in Gortat

After acquiring Marcin Gortat the Suns had six teams call to check on his availability only to be told he is not being moved.

Take it FWIW but it does seem believable

Is that pick we got protected in any way?

There hasn't been any mention of protection for the pick so probably not

 

[leclerc]

The Magic will make the playoffs in the usual weak east anyhow so I guess the pick will be in the 15-20 range...

 

[JCSunsfan]

The Magic will make the playoffs in the usual weak east anyhow so I guess the pick will be in the 15-20 range...

anything can happen

 

[95pro]

Hedo's dunk attempt kind of killed the game for the Magic. Jrich was heating up at the end of that game but he was pretty invisible for most of the game.

lmao, just turned on sports center this morning...
hedo blocks himself with the rim.

 

[AzStevenCal]

lmao, just turned on sports center this morning...
hedo blocks himself with the rim.

Oh come on, that could happen to anyone. Sometimes that rim just comes out of nowhere.

Steve

 

[JCSunsfan]

lmao, just turned on sports center this morning...
hedo blocks himself with the rim.

JRich and Turk both played 39 mins last night. Clark got 13. Wow. Bass went to the bench and got 16 minutes. Clark is going to get a good look and some burn in Orlando.

Did Hedo ever get that many minutes here?

 

[AzStevenCal]

JRich and Turk both played 39 mins last night. Clark got 13. Wow. Bass went to the bench and got 16 minutes. Clark is going to get a good look and some burn in Orlando.

Did Hedo ever get that many minutes here?

Clark has all the physical gifts to be an excellent defender. His problem has always been that he can't tell the difference between a good shot and a horrible one. If I were Stan, that's the first hurdle I'd try to leap. I'd tell him the only time he is allowed to shoot is when he doesn't have the ball. After a few weeks of that, I'd allow him to take layups and slam dunks but it would be a LONG time before he'd have the green light anywhere else. That couldn't work in our offense but it might just work in Orlando. I doubt it though.

Steve

 

[elindholm]

After a few weeks of that, I'd allow him to take layups and slam dunks but it would be a LONG time before he'd have the green light anywhere else.

I'm tempted to say, "That wouldn't work, because defenses would respond very quickly and stop guarding him. Everyone on the floor has to be a threat to score." But the Suns' last two games suggest otherwise. Because of his splint, Childress is unwilling to shoot anything other than a layup; it's fairly obvious to anyone who has been paying attention. And yet both the Thunder and the Lakers have crowded him when he has the ball 20 or more feet from the basket, creating space for other Suns offensive opportunities elsewhere on the floor. It's really quite remarkable.

 

[BC867]

Oh come on, that could happen to anyone. Sometimes that rim just comes out of nowhere.

Steve

"But Officer, I was minding my own business, driving slowly down the street when that steam roller darter out of the side street and hit me."

 

[jagu]

This wait is painful, I'm too pumped and the 2 day gap between games is hard.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Looking at our team after this trade. We are much slower. We do not have the personnel to run a SSOL type of offense.

Vince Carter is slower than JRich
Gortat is slower than EC
Pietrus might not get much burn.

I am wondering if we had so many wings we did not give Clark enough time to demonstrate his worth. Interesting that Nash tweeted that no one worked harder than EC in practice.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Looking at our team after this trade. We are much slower. We do not have the personnel to run a SSOL type of offense.

Vince Carter is slower than JRich
Gortat is slower than EC
Pietrus might not get much burn.

I am wondering if we had so many wings we did not give Clark enough time to demonstrate his worth. Interesting that Nash tweeted that no one worked harder than EC in practice.

Granted, Carter is slower than JRich but I don't see a problem with Gortat's speed vs Clark as Clark seldom played, especially with the group that really runs the fast break offense. And, I could be way off here, but I really think Pietrus brings a lot more to the table then some expect. He should excel playing alongside Nash. I'm always a little hesitant about French basketball players but on paper, he seems a great fit.

Steve

 

[Mainstreet]

Looking at our team after this trade. We are much slower. We do not have the personnel to run a SSOL type of offense.

Vince Carter is slower than JRich
Gortat is slower than EC
Pietrus might not get much burn.

I am wondering if we had so many wings we did not give Clark enough time to demonstrate his worth. Interesting that Nash tweeted that no one worked harder than EC in practice.

I totally disagree with your premise. Vince Carter is not why the Suns made the trade. He may be slower than JRich but so what. The Suns have a good supply of wings. Earl Clark is not a 4/5 so the comparison to Gortat is not even applicable. Earl Clark was not part of the Suns rotation anyway. The Suns do not lose speed with Pietrus and gain defense. He can also shoot the 3 point shot. Also the Suns got a whole lot faster with the loss of Turkoglu.

 

[jagu]

I totally disagree with your premise. Vince Carter is not why the Suns made the trade. He may be slower than JRich but so what. The Suns have a good supply of wings. Earl Clark is not a 4/5 so the comparison to Gortat is not even applicable. Earl Clark was not part of the Suns rotation anyway. The Suns do not lose speed with Pietrus and gain defense. He can also shoot the 3 point shot. Also the Suns got a whole lot faster with the loss of Turkoglu.

I know a lot of people are down on Carter, for good reason, but there is one thing he can do that JRich can't do which is create his own shot. He does a pretty good job in isolation and can break down the defense to get his own shot up. JRich, as awesome as he is on offense, is limited in this.

 

[Mainstreet]

I know a lot of people are down on Carter, for good reason, but there is one thing he can do that JRich can't do which is create his own shot. He does a pretty good job in isolation and can break down the defense to get his own shot up. JRich, as awesome as he is on offense, is limited in this.

I'm not down on Carter. In fact, I think he could surprise if healthy. However, Carter is not the reason the Suns made the trade. Anything he brings to the table is gravy. So comparing him to JRich straight up is not fair.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I'm not down on Carter. In fact, I think he could surprise if healthy. However, Carter is not the reason the Suns made the trade. Anything he brings to the table is gravy. So comparing him to JRich straight up is not fair.

That is true. JRich does just fine at creating his own shot. The point I am making is that this team is much slower than it has been in the past. The defense is better, but the offense has to be different. I might be underestimating Pietrus. Word from Orlando is that he has played horribly this year. We'll see.

 

[Mainstreet]

That is true. JRich does just fine at creating his own shot. The point I am making is that this team is much slower than it has been in the past. The defense is better, but the offense has to be different. I might be underestimating Pietrus. Word from Orlando is that he has played horribly this year. We'll see.

I just don't get where you think the Suns are a slower team with this trade that cannot run just as well. The subtraction of Turkoglu alone makes the Suns a quicker team. Clark did not even fit into the Suns rotation. Pietrus is not a slow player and Gortat is a big mobile big man. The only thing I think you can argue is that Carter has slowed down and he was not the reason the Suns made the trade. Even Carter, if healthy can do a lot of things on the court. He is not a slug.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I just don't get where you think the Suns are a slower team with this trade that cannot run just as well. The subtraction of Turkoglu alone makes the Suns a quicker team. Clark did not even fit into the Suns rotation. Pietrus is not a slow player and Gortat is a big mobile big man. The only thing I think you can argue is that Carter has slowed down and he was not the reason the Suns made the trade. Even Carter, if healthy can do a lot of things on the court. He is not a slug.

I think I am being misunderstood. I am not talking about being slower than we were last week. I am talking about being slower than we have been historically--and much slower.

Does this really look like a team that can run SSOL well?

 

[Mainstreet]

I think I am being misunderstood. I am not talking about being slower than we were last week. I am talking about being slower than we have been historically--and much slower.

Does this really look like a team that can run SSOL well?

The Suns are no longer playing SSOL. This departed with DA. Gentry is still coaching a fast paced running style and spreading the floor much like SSOL except the Suns are now trying to play defense and Nash has slowed a half-step. I don't see where the Suns have slowed much elsewhere. Also the Suns can't run if they don't make stops and rebound.

 

[JCSunsfan]

The Suns are no longer playing SSOL. This departed with DA. Gentry is still coaching a fast paced running style and spreading the floor much like SSOL except the Suns are now trying to play defense and Nash has slowed a half-step. I don't see where the Suns have slowed much elsewhere. Also the Suns can't run if they don't make stops and rebound.

Ok. Yes I agree they cannot run if they do not defend or rebound. They are slower at every position. Nash now is slower than Nash then, VC is slower than JRich or Barbosa, Hill is slower than Marion, Frye is slower than Amare, etc.

Its got to be a different type of offense, especially if we run the two big guys together.

 

[leclerc]

If they ship Gortat to Atlanta for Smith I'll go mental.

 

[JCSunsfan]

If they ship Gortat to Atlanta for Smith I'll go mental.

they wont

 

[cly2tw]

Hedo had the highest +/- of 24 in Magic's win over Spurs.

 

[TBaslim]

Hedo was (apparently) born to play with Dwight Howard and the Magic. He's a completely different (and far worse) player everywhere else.