jalen rose on espn says

[az1965]

Leave us now MARION!!!!

He will, next year and then we will not get anything...

 

[Rab]

My guess and this is simply my guess is that Boston will end up doing the deal if Marion agrees to waive his opt-out clause.

Agreed.

 

[Suns_fan69]

Oh come on, he didn't say that. What he really said was...

(1) MARION HAS ABSOLUTELY NO FAITH IN THE CELTIC ORGANIZATION AND WON'T SIGN OFF ON A DEAL NO MATTER WHAT

(2) THE CELTICS AREN'T OFFERING ENOUGH MONEY IN THE EXTENSION.

First post in a while to make me actually laugh out loud.

 

[ArizonaSportsFan]

The hyperbole here is getting pretty thick! I say we trade a few forum members for cap space.

 

[ArizonaSportsFan]

I'm sick, I wont be able to watch this team if shawn marion is here,

You didn't watch this past off-season?

 

[ArizonaSportsFan]

Unbelievable.

Marion's fragile ego is screwing three teams simultaneously: the Suns, because now their title hopes are shot; the Celtics, because now Pierce will demand a trade; and the Wolves, because now they're going to have to take the Lakers' crappy offer for Garnett.

The only winner is the Lakers. Of course.

What? Are you serious? So, this team, as presently constituted, has no shot at the title?

Listen, this is still a business. Let's say that Amare and Marion cannot get along and one has to be traded. What would you do? You can't get full value for Marion because of contractual matters. You can get closer to full value for Amare, but he is a certain future stud should injuries not take a further toll. What do you do, Eric?

If I don't have to make a trade due to hemorraghing funds, I keep both, tinker on the fringes, and see what the season brings. If they are creating havoc on the team, then it's time to reevaluate. I would certainly HATE to lose Amare, but unfortunately their may be no choice, unless you give up Marion for a #15 pick or so to a team far under the cap that wants to gamble on his contract.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Screw Marion.

New Avatar time!

 

[elindholm]

What? Are you serious? So, this team, as presently constituted, has no shot at the title?

No, it doesn't, because the chemistry is a disaster.

Let's say that Amare and Marion cannot get along and one has to be traded. What would you do? You can't get full value for Marion because of contractual matters. You can get closer to full value for Amare, but he is a certain future stud should injuries not take a further toll. What do you do, Eric?

I don't know, but I sure as hell wouldn't be happy about my situation. At this point I'd probably see if anyone wants Marion and offer him to the highest bidder, but I'm not saying that's a good idea.

 

[Chaplin]

No, it doesn't, because the chemistry is a disaster.

Maybe, but that's not why we lost.

 

[ArizonaSportsFan]

No, it doesn't, because the chemistry is a disaster.



I don't know, but I sure as hell wouldn't be happy about my situation. At this point I'd probably see if anyone wants Marion and offer him to the highest bidder, but I'm not saying that's a good idea.

I know, I just don't think it is as easy as some here are making it sound. You can't be irresponsible and give away an all-star player. Will the chemistry really destroy the team? If so, then a trade has to be made - and either one can go, I don't care. because if they are that petty, then I can understand that they don't really care about winning. Personally, I think that too much is being made about chemistry - at least at this point.

 

[mribnik]

Maybe, but that's not why we lost.

What is this "bad chemistry" everybody was talking about anyways. This team got along great on the court. I could care less if they don't go out to dinner together after games.

 

[schutd]

Im pretty astouded by the overwhelming anti-Marion tirades going on in here. Maybe Marion just doesnt want to go to the East Coast? Maybe he hates Danny Ainge? Maybe hr doesnt want to lose a shot at a ring? Seems logical to me. I know I wouldnt want to go play for Boston if I were on the Suns.

Im going to hold this over a lot of peoples heads next season if Marion's a Sun.

 

[azirish]

What is this "bad chemistry" everybody was talking about anyways. This team got along great on the court. I could care less if they don't go out to dinner together after games.

I agree. I am sure this chemistry issue is real, but it appears to have blown into this huge cloud that will justify trading away the All NBA Center for draft picks. Jeesh.

Let's get real. Bad chemistry is like the Blazers of a few years ago that were losing and their star player (Sheed) thit a fellow player with a basketball after taunting him mercilessly. Bad chemistry is like the Pacers who had guys being arrested and attacking fans in the stands. Bad chemistry is like the Lakers where their star player is demanding to be traded.

The Suns main example of bad chemistry is a guy who doesn't want to leave.

There is always going to be conflict and petty jealousy when dealing with the big egos of NBA teams. If the coach can't deal with it, he's got to get assistants who can.

The sad truth is that KG does not have the best of reputations when it comes to getting along with his teammates. For the right price I'm willing to overlook that because he's an incredible talent. But to make this deal because of imagined chemistry as the major concern seems very strange.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Im pretty astouded by the overwhelming anti-Marion tirades going on in here. Maybe Marion just doesnt want to go to the East Coast? Maybe he hates Danny Ainge? Maybe hr doesnt want to lose a shot at a ring? Seems logical to me. I know I wouldnt want to go play for Boston if I were on the Suns.

Im going to hold this over a lot of peoples heads next season if Marion's a Sun.

and then, what happens when Marion under-produces in the playoffs, being a key factor in us not winning a title again? Do we get to hold that over your head? Because that's what's going to happen. Over NINE playoff series in the span of Marion's career with the Suns, he's only met or exceeded his averages in THREE OF THE NINE - that's pathetic.

 

[elindholm]

and then, what happens when Marion under-produces in the playoffs, being a key factor in us not winning a title again?

Marion supporters will just make excuses for him again and call the rest of us "haters." What do you think is going to happen?

 

[elindholm]

Maybe, but that's not why we lost.

No, you're right, it isn't. But it's why they'll lose next year.

 

[nowagimp]

Im going to hold this over a lot of peoples heads next season if Marion's a Sun.

do it, remember like an elephant. Last year a number of posters wanted to dump Barbosa for practically nothing. Obviously the "nostradamus posters" werent that good at predicting barbosas development. The suns have "no shot" at a championship statement is patently ridiculous, just the ramblings of overactive minds. I guess they forget what really derails championships: injuries and suspensions. How ironic that suns fans dont remember that.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I guess they forget what really derails championships: injuries and suspensions. How inronic that suns fans dont remember that.

and it's ironic how the Marion supporters don't remember that in 2/3 of all the playoff series Marion's ever played in, he hasn't even played up to his regular season averages.

 

[schutd]

Its easy to prophetize losing, Elindholm. The odds are in your favor. Im a Marion supporter, sure. He plays for the Suns. AND I'm a realist, and empathetic. I can totally see why Marion doesnt want to go to Boston. But to sit down on June 27th and say we have no shot next year and its all Marions fault is completely ludicrous.

Cheese, I agree Marions disappearing acts in the playoffs are agonizing. I hate it as much as you. But I will not for one second stop rooting for the guy as he is a member of my hometown team. If Marion was saying that he didnt want to be here, but he sure as hell aint going to Boston, that'd be a different story. At this point, Id rather we stay pat with Amare and Marion and try and figure out how to make it work.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

No, it doesn't, because the chemistry is a disaster.



I don't know, but I sure as hell wouldn't be happy about my situation. At this point I'd probably see if anyone wants Marion and offer him to the highest bidder, but I'm not saying that's a good idea.

Being that Amare is a young franchise big man WHO MAKES LESS MONEY I would say thats a no brainer.

I trade Marion at 33 cents on the dollar. Amare is the future and if we could eevn get a top 8 pick for Shawn now I would do it. Just to get his a$$ out here.

Man I am pissed!

 

[Ryanwb]

Is Jalen Rose the team gossip queen or what?

 

[nowagimp]

Over NINE playoff series in the span of Marion's career with the Suns, he's only met or exceeded his averages in THREE OF THE NINE - that's pathetic.

Chauncey Billups and Richard Hamilton have not met their reg season stats either in the playoffs, fact is the defense is better. Most players do not play as well against the playoff teams as the lottery teams, you can expect a falloff, except perhaps for guys like Amare, TD, Kobe( KG is minus 4% FG's in the playoffs for his career, yet he's still a great player).

 

[Cheesebeef]

Its easy to prophetize losing, Elindholm. The odds are in your favor. Im a Marion supporter, sure. He plays for the Suns. AND I'm a realist, and empathetic. I can totally see why Marion doesnt want to go to Boston. But to sit down on June 27th and say we have no shot next year and its all Marions fault is completely ludicrous.

Cheese, I agree Marions disappearing acts in the playoffs are agonizing. I hate it as much as you. But I will not for one second stop rooting for the guy as he is a member of my hometown team. If Marion was saying that he didnt want to be here, but he sure as hell aint going to Boston, that'd be a different story. At this point, Id rather we stay pat with Amare and Marion and try and figure out how to make it work.

that's cool, I can agree with this for the most part. I won't boo Marion just to boo him, but if he goes Scarecrow Tortilla on us in the playoffs (as I expect he would), then I'd unleash hell.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Chauncey Billups and Richard Hamilton have not met their reg season stats either in the playoffs, fact is the defense is better. Most players do not play as well against the playoff teams as the lottery teams, you can expect a falloff, except perhaps for guys like Amare, TD, Kobe( KG is minus 4% FG's in the playoffs for his career, yet he's still a great player).

this is a joke, right? Chauncey and Rip actually led their team TO A FREAKING CHAMPIONSHIP and TWO NBA FINALS. Bringing them up in this conversation is really ridiculous.

 

[Ryanwb]

this is a joke, right? Chauncey and Rip actually led their team TO A FREAKING CHAMPIONSHIP and TWO NBA FINALS. Bringing them up in this conversation is really ridiculous.

My thoughts exactly...