jalen rose on espn says

[Cheesebeef]

And that one game probably cost the Suns a ring, unfortunately.

as opposed to the game we lost where Marion was all but called out by Nash? Or Game 6 where he didn't show up. We had opportunities to win that series, DESPITE the suspensions if people stepped up (and that includes NASH). The problem I have is that amongst a variety of reasons, there's always ONE CONSTANT - Shawn Marion's shrinkage in the playoffs.

 

[schutd]

Whereas, besides Amare's brain fart this year, the guy COMPLETELY raises his game to another level in every single stat.

Totally. Remember how Amare came out and called the Spurs a dirty team and then backed up all his mouthing off with that incredible game? Oh wait he got like 5 fouls in 4 minutes and drank a big ole cup of ****....

 

[ArizonaSportsFan]

Yes but I probably would have got that rebound with how far Lamar was out of position. KG in that spot and Marion gets nothing. See.

Good point.

 

[TBaslim]

do it, remember like an elephant. Last year a number of posters wanted to dump Barbosa for practically nothing. Obviously the "nostradamus posters" werent that good at predicting barbosas development. The suns have "no shot" at a championship statement is patently ridiculous, just the ramblings of overactive minds. I guess they forget what really derails championships: injuries and suspensions. How ironic that suns fans dont remember that.

Good point - how many wanted to trade LB for peanuts? How about a few years before with Joe Johnson? People hated him the first year or two on the Suns.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Totally. Remember how Amare came out and called the Spurs a dirty team and then backed up all his mouthing off with that incredible game? Oh wait he got like 5 fouls in 4 minutes and drank a big ole cup of ****....

right, and what about when he averaged 25 and 10 for the series, as opposed to 15.7 and 10 for Marion or two years ago when he averaged 37 and 10 to Marion's 7.8 and 10.

 

[ArizonaSportsFan]

as opposed to the game we lost where Marion was all but called out by Nash? Or Game 6 where he didn't show up. We had opportunities to win that series, DESPITE the suspensions if people stepped up (and that includes NASH). The problem I have is that amongst a variety of reasons, there's always ONE CONSTANT - Shawn Marion's shrinkage in the playoffs.

Cut the man some slack. Those buildings are drafty and cold...

 

[Cheesebeef]

Good point - how many wanted to trade LB for peanuts? How about a few years before with Joe Johnson? People hated him the first year or two on the Suns.

THIS IS NOT MARION'S FIRST OR SECOND YEAR WITH THE SUNS.

You guys bring these guys up, but completely ignore the fact that they were young and wwere going to get better, so yeah, people could have missed the boat there, but then, on the flip side, in making that argument, the other side of your argument is that Marion is going to do the same thing - which is COMPLETELY BASELESS.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Cut the man some slack. Those buildings are drafty and cold...

LOL.

 

[D-Dogg]

Cut the man some slack. Those buildings are drafty and cold...

Someone needs to put George's face on Marion.

 

[ArizonaSportsFan]

Someone needs to put George's face on Marion.

Great idea!

"Like a frightened turtle!"

 

[TBaslim]

I remember watching the playoffs this year and thinking to myself

"Well, no one is going to be able to criticize Marion for not showing up in the post season this year. Even if it doesn't show up in the stats, he has played fantastic."

But here it is again. He got a rep early about the playoffs, and then people forget about what they actually saw in the games. They just look at numbers.

This Suns team needs exactly what Marion brings to the table, and there is no one in the league who could fill that need like Shawn does--except KG. He's the only other player who could fill that role.

Even then, KG will not run the break like Shawn. No one can.

So, if a KG for Marion trade doesn't happen, its not the end of the world. If it does, its a step up, but not nearly as big a step as some might think.

I don't blame Shawn at all for not wanting to go to Boston. Would you? He wants to win a championship, and he wants to do it here, with this team. Those are all admirable desires. I'll root for him just as much if he's here next year.

Well said. Agree 100%.

 

[ArizonaSportsFan]

THIS IS NOT MARION'S FIRST OR SECOND YEAR WITH THE SUNS.

You guys bring these guys up, but completely ignore the fact that they were young and wwere going to get better, so yeah, people could have missed the boat there, but then, on the flip side, in making that argument, the other side of your argument is that Marion is going to do the same thing - which is COMPLETELY BASELESS.

Look cheese, every fan wants Marion, and all of the players, to do better in the playoffs and get the ring. So yes I get your arguments. But I am also saying that if KG doesn't arrive for some reason, it is not like the Suns are crap. I like the current team - payroll and it's associated problems excepted.

 

[schutd]

right, and what about when he averaged 25 and 10 for the series, as opposed to 15.7 and 10 for Marion or two years ago when he averaged 37 and 10 to Marion's 7.8 and 10.

Im just sayin, you're speaking in a lot of absolutes. And there are none of those in this mess. I will say that I wouldve not been the least bit upset if Marion had been dealt after last years weak performance against the Spurs.

 

[Covert Rain]

I remember watching the playoffs this year and thinking to myself

"Well, no one is going to be able to criticize Marion for not showing up in the post season this year. Even if it doesn't show up in the stats, he has played fantastic."

But here it is again. He got a rep early about the playoffs, and then people forget about what they actually saw in the games. They just look at numbers.

This Suns team needs exactly what Marion brings to the table, and there is no one in the league who could fill that need like Shawn does--except KG. He's the only other player who could fill that role.

Even then, KG will not run the break like Shawn. No one can.

So, if a KG for Marion trade doesn't happen, its not the end of the world. If it does, its a step up, but not nearly as big a step as some might think.

I don't blame Shawn at all for not wanting to go to Boston. Would you? He wants to win a championship, and he wants to do it here, with this team. Those are all admirable desires. I'll root for him just as much if he's here next year.

Very well put.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I like the current team - payroll and it's problems excepted.

I actually do as well, but the the problem is that the second part of this sentence leads me to believe that this team ain't coming back intact.

I'd be all for keeping EVERYONE and just signing Hill and taking the two picks... I think that gets us to a title, but I don't think that's financially possible if the talk of Sarver wanting to get a little away from the tax is true.

 

[dodie53]

if marion doesn't get traded.............

ugh.

 

[TBaslim]

THIS IS NOT MARION'S FIRST OR SECOND YEAR WITH THE SUNS.

You guys bring these guys up, but completely ignore the fact that they were young and wwere going to get better, so yeah, people could have missed the boat there, but then, on the flip side, in making that argument, the other side of your argument is that Marion is going to do the same thing - which is COMPLETELY BASELESS.

My point was not that Marion is a rook who will improve - it was that fans seems to fixate on a single player and blame them for any and everything possibly wrong with a team. It happened with LB and JJ, and it happens with Marion.

It gets old.

Let's see - the Suns are the best offensive team in the league, even with Marion's 'supposed' deficiencies in creating his own shot. They need to improve their defense. Who are their best defenders?

Raja, Shawn and KT.

Who do folks blame for everything (missing offense or inadequate defense)? Marion

It is not rational. It's fixating and dumping all frustrations onto one player.

Again, for the right trade I would move Marion and wish him well. But I love what he brings to the team right now, and it will be tough to replace.

KG is one of the few current players who could BY HIMSELF cover all the things Marion provides. AND HE IS PAID MILLIONS $$$ MORE THEN SHAWN.

Why do you think the Suns have not traded Marion over these last few years? Methinks they value what he brings, even when he frustrates.

EDIT: One more thought: everyone also assumes the Suns overpaid Marion with his contract and that it was a mistake to be regretted ever since.

I doubt that - the Suns have proven very savvy at dumping bad contracts, even at a cost. Longley, Googs, Marbs, Penny, etc, etc.

I think if they didn't like what they were paying for Marion's services, they would have moved him already (even if it took picks, etc) to do it.

The fact they have not speaks volumes about the value to the team of his production.

 

[ArizonaSportsFan]

if marion doesn't get traded.............

ugh.

So, you would trade him at this point just to get rid of him? Ouch. That would be a bad move and would nearly guarantee a poorer team next season - unless it was for KG, of course. But that doesn't look too likely at this point. So, no biggie - except for the cap. If Sarver gives us two more years to clear the salaries, then I will send him $10 for his efforts.

 

[nowagimp]

Could you be any more wrong? Chauncy's career - 17.5 ppg playoffs 40.7% shooting - 14.5 regular season, 41.2% ... Finals MVP under his belt... not making 17 million dollars a year.

Rip Hamilton - 20.7 ppg, 43.9% shooting in the playoffs - 17.9 ppg, 45.1% in the regular season.

Shawn Marion - 17.1 ppg in the playoffs, 46.3% shooting - 18.6 ppg in the playoffs, 47.9% shooting.

and this doesn't even take into consideration what Chauncy and Rip have actually ACCOMPLISHED in the playoffs, winning two Eastern Conference Titles, an NBA Title and one of them has a Finals MVP. oh yeah, and there's this other little thing - neither of those guys come CLOSE TO MAKING 17 MILLION DOLLARS.

but, yeah, bringing them up really made your point for ya!

You make another interesting point though: In 2007, Billups(43%), hamilton(43%), wallace(44%) and prince(41%) were apparently all easier to defense than Marion(50% fgs) by the weak EASTERN conference competition, a joke.

Chauncey or RIP have never shot 50% in the playoffs, not even close. they rode Big Ben to their championship since they didnt have to make more than 43% to win with him in the post. Sure they dont make 17 mil and they are not even close to being worth it. Marion is overpaid, but that doesnt change the fact that he scored 17(50% fgs) and grabbed 10 reb while guarding everyone from kobe to duncan, to tony parker, and playing 41.4 mins a game 4 mins more than any other sun(Nash was 37.5). I understand you guys hate marion, but dont try to make it sound like an objective argument. Very few objective fans will lay the blame on marion because he couldnt guard Tim duncan when KT and amare had foul trouble.

 

[pokerface]

Marion we'll put you in the ring of honor....JUST LEAVE NOW!

 

[ArizonaSportsFan]

Marion we'll put you in the ring of honor....JUST LEAVE NOW!

You of course mean - "Ask for less money on an extension and leave now". Now, why would he do that? It's all about the Benjamins baby!

Perhaps we should say "Ainge, please sign Marion to a large extension so we can get KG, even though everyone says that still won't work"...

 

[elindholm]

I understand you guys hate marion

No, actually you don't understand anything. Because if you did, you wouldn't resort to such blatantly exaggerated hyperbole.

 

[Mainstreet]

I've watched ESPN news and here is the gist of what I have gathered:

1. The Suns want Garnett (and will pay his salary) but are not going after him directly because they want Minnesota to get the pieces together (lead the point) and come to Phoenix with a concrete trade offer. Apparently Phoenix does not want to lead the point because they want plausible deniability about orchestrating such a trade.

2. Marion is the piece the Suns would like to trade but they are willing to part with Amare if necessary.

3. The proposed three way trade revolves around Minnesota, Atlanta and Phoenix. Atlanta would get Amare, Phoenix would get KG and Minnesota would get picks #3 and #11.

3. Black stars do not want to play in Boston because of racial tensions. I know it sounds dumb but this is what a black announcer said on ESPN. He also says this is the reason why Marion and KG do not want to play there. The announcer also said he has been called the N-word at the Garden and it is a racially charged environment despite all the great black players who have played there.

Anyway this is my take listening to ESPN.

Edit:

I forgot JO was the third black player that reportedly did no want to play in Boston besides Marion and KG.

 

[Cheesebeef]

You make another interesting point though: In 2007, Billups(43%), hamilton(43%), wallace(44%) and prince(41%) were apparently all easier to defense than Marion(50% fgs) by the weak EASTERN conference competition, a joke.

Chauncey or RIP have never shot 50% in the playoffs, not even close. they rode Big Ben to their championship since they didnt have to make more than 43% to win with him in the post. Sure they dont make 17 mil and they are not even close to being worth it. Marion is overpaid, but that doesnt change the fact that he scored 17(50% fgs) and grabbed 10 reb while guarding everyone from kobe to duncan, to tony parker, and playing 41.4 mins a game 4 mins more than any other sun(Nash was 37.5). I understand you guys hate marion, but dont try to make it sound like an objective argument. Very few objective fans will lay the blame on marion because he couldnt guard Tim duncan when KT and amare had foul trouble.

this post is hilarious. way to go to complete extremes, completely changing the discussion to avoid the issue that Chauncy and Rip's number DON'T go down in the playoffs, but actually GO UP. Kudos for the entertainment/hyperbole of the above.

when people resort to the above, it's a sign there's no need for discussion because they've run out of points to support themselves (although, to be fair, that would mean you actually had points to support your argument in the first place, which you don't. so there's that too).

 

[JS22]

Most of you need to calm down and accept the fact that Marion does not want to go rot in Boston. Seriously, would you want to leave Phoenix for Boston? All of these "I hate Marion" posts are flat out ********. I thought you were Suns fans. Guess not?

Face it. Marion will most likely stay. The Suns will trade KT + #29 and go after Brown and Hill. Then they'll make a few minor additions via the draft / maybe another FA and call it an offseason. I'd be fine with this.

The Marion hate on here is ridiculous, and makes most everyone on this forum look like whiny three year olds. I was disappointed at first, and even a little mad when Marion rejected going to Boston. But what can you do? I certainly don't blame him.

In other words, stop bitching so much!