James Jones traded?

[JCSunsfan]

If the Suns move Jones and get back Jack, I'll be thrilled. They finally get a back up PG, and Tucker can actually get into games, taking James' role as a defensive SF type (even though he's not a great shooter). If they got back Frye, I'd be pretty happy as that would give them more front court depth, but its even less likely to happen for Jack. If they got back Webster, I'd be disappointed, as he isn't as a good of a defender as Jones, though his 3 point% is good.

If the Suns moved 24 AND James Jones for cash, I'm going to flip. Even less depth? What are these dopes thinking?

I pray the Suns line up next year is:

Amare/KT
Marion/Diaw
Hill/Tucker/Pike
Barbosa/Bell/Strawberry
Nash/Jack

You must have missed this tidbit. Flip away. By the way. James Jones is NOT terrible. He struggled with his shooting this year but played great D and rebounded well.

Late in the evening, the Blazers closed a deal to acquire forward James Jones from Phoenix without giving up a player. Other trades are possible, if not likely, in coming days.

 

[Covert Rain]

You are going to flip about losing James Jones? He makes 3M$ a year and he is TERRIBLE.

There is no doubt we will have a better player than Jones for less next season.

Losing James Jones for nothing is a GOOD thing.

Losing James Jones and replacing him with nothing is better then having James Jones??? Huh?

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

James Jones is a very good defender, an OK three point shooter and hustler. You want the Suns to have even less depth than in the previous years?

I'd much rather have Alando Tucker getting JJ's minutes.

 

[HooverDam]

You must have missed this tidbit. Flip away. By the way. James Jones is NOT terrible. He struggled with his shooting this year but played great D and rebounded well.

Late in the evening, the Blazers closed a deal to acquire forward James Jones from Phoenix without giving up a player. Other trades are possible, if not likely, in coming days.

Huh? It sounds like you are agreeing with me here.

 

[azirish]

Byars isn't it, he is going to Philly with 3M$ for Koponen.

Your're right. I've been double counting.

If anything, I'm more confused than ever about them taking Koponen. This means they have Francis, Jack, Rodgriguez, Green, and Koponen. Something has got to give.

 

[SunsTzu]

Your're right. I've been double counting.

If anything, I'm more confused than ever about them taking Koponen. This means they have Francis, Jack, Rodgriguez, Green, and Koponen. Something has got to give.

They expect Koponen to stay overseas atleast for this year.

http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2007/06/the_chosen_1.html

Both Fernandez and Koponen are expected to stay overseas and develop.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Huh? It sounds like you are agreeing with me here.

Yes I am.

I was also responding the the "James Jones is terrible" comment by Slin. Sorry, I was unclear.

I don't drink, so I can't blame it on that. Although a day like this would be a good reason to start.

 

[slinslin]

James Jones is a very good defender, an OK three point shooter and hustler. You want the Suns to have even less depth than in the previous years?

If they get rid off Jones they can sign a Free Agent that is better than Jones and there are lots of.

They also must be confident that Tucker can take his playing time.

I'd still rather trust their judgement than yours.

Jones was terrible there is no excuse. Also for people questioning that Tucker a first round pick in a strong draft and proven GREAT college player can't replace James Jones who was a 2nd rounder in a weaker draft and without even half of Tucker's resumé.. I am thinking thats pretty funny..

And you guys want to beat the Spurs? With James Jones who is completely uneffective against them because he can't do ANYTHING on offense besides camping at the 3pt line?

At least Tucker should be able to take Finley or Ginbobili in the post or off the dribble and make a midrange jumper instead of running into Duncan like a headless chicken.

 

[Folster]

Your're right. I've been double counting.

If anything, I'm more confused than ever about them taking Koponen. This means they have Francis, Jack, Rodgriguez, Green, and Koponen. Something has got to give.

Easy. Rodriguez is under contract in Europe and Koponen is not ready for the NBA. Both will stay overseas. The Blazers are planning for something called the "future". And it won't cost them a penny.

edit(I meant Fernandez)

 

[SunsTzu]

Easy. Rodriguez is under contract in Europe and Koponen is not ready for the NBA. Both will stay overseas. The Blazers are planning for something called the "future". And it won't cost them a penny.

Think you're confusing Sergio Rodriguez and Rudy Fernandez.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Your're right. I've been double counting.

If anything, I'm more confused than ever about them taking Koponen. This means they have Francis, Jack, Rodgriguez, Green, and Koponen. Something has got to give.

it's being reported their going to buy out Francis' deal.

 

[azirish]

Easy. Rodriguez is under contract in Europe and Koponen is not ready for the NBA. Both will stay overseas. The Blazers are planning for something called the "future". And it won't cost them a penny.

You are thinking of Fernandez. Rodriguez played last season.

 

[Folster]

Think you're confusing Sergio Rodriguez and Rudy Fernandez.

My bad. That's what I meant.

 

[Cheesebeef]

James Jones who was a 2nd rounder in a weaker draft .. I am thinking thats pretty funny..

the 2003 draft which is being hailed as one of the best of all time was a weaker draft than this, where no one's proved ANYTHING YET? I am thinking that's not just funny... IT'S HILARIOUS.

 

[slinslin]

This draft is considered to be stronger than 2003 but I guess it's not even worth arguing.

Chris Bosh and Dwayne Wade were far from being regarded as superstars.

Lets see this years draft in 4 years and maybe you agree with all the experts that are saying this as well. They were specifically comparing these 2 drafts on espn tonight.

Also doesn't change the fact that Jones was the 49th pick.

 

[HooverDam]

If they get rid off Jones they can sign a Free Agent that is better than Jones and there are lots of.

Like who? I'd like specific names other than Grant Hill who they were going to go after either way. What free agents are out there that meet the following criteria:

1. Never complains or ******* about low playing time
2. Is a good defender
3. Can shoot the three
4. Hustle's their a** off
5. Is a good rebounder
6. Is cheaper than Jr Jones

The free agent you want to sign should meet all of these criteria in order to be an upgrade.

Look, if the Suns wanted to sell Jones and the pick, fine, but get SOMETHING back. A future 1st rounder, a cheap player, SOMETHING. At some point the Suns have to start building a team 'under' the current team that will take over when Nash/Marion go away. They already have a nice core in Barbs/Diaw/Amare, they need to add some size and a PG to that. They had the chance to do that today and decided not to.

 

[PhxGametime]

I'm really not all that interested in Grant Hill, James Jones was the one piece I liked the most of the 3 players that i figured were up for Trade... i had mentioned that i wanted: Nash, Barbosa, Bell, Marion, Diaw, Stoudemire returning and James Jones would've been my 7th selection (although I knew it was almost impossible to get rid of KT)... I'm hoping there's a better option out there.


Adding Hill might of been welcomed but not replacing Jones or even starting for Diaw in line-up - I don't believe I have game-film this year of Tucker and maybe he's the guy but adding Tucker probably drops Banks from any playing time and I would've liked him as insurance had Barbosa or Nash got hurt. I just don't see both (Tucker and Banks) being able to play together if a guard goes down... although I'm sure Banks dropping to 10th-12th roster spot would appeal to most of you lol

 

[Cheesebeef]

This draft is considered to be stronger than 2003 but I guess it's not even worth arguing.

Chris Bosh and Dwayne Wade were far from being regarded as superstars.

Lets see this years draft in 4 years and maybe you agree with all the experts that are saying this as well. They were specifically comparing these 2 drafts on espn tonight.

Also doesn't change the fact that Jones was the 49th pick.

you're right, it doesn't change the fact of where Jones was picked, but that wasn't my point. Then, again, why would you actually respond to a point you can't repsond to when you could just spout something that literally has no backup whatsoever with the refuted claim by everyone tonight that this draft isn't as good as 2003.

again, now done with this part of the discussion. way to go one more time there sliny.

 

[slinslin]

Like who? I'd like specific names other than Grant Hill who they were going to go after either way. What free agents are out there that meet the following criteria:

1. Never complains or ******* about low playing time
2. Is a good defender
3. Can shoot the three
4. Hustle's their a** off
5. Is a good rebounder
6. Is cheaper than Jr Jones

The free agent you want to sign should meet all of these criteria in order to be an upgrade.

Look, if the Suns wanted to sell Jones and the pick, fine, but get SOMETHING back. A future 1st rounder, a cheap player, SOMETHING. At some point the Suns have to start building a team 'under' the current team that will take over when Nash/Marion go away. They already have a nice core in Barbs/Diaw/Amare, they need to add some size and a PG to that. They had the chance to do that today and decided not to.

Devin Brown example #1.

 

[slinslin]

you're right, it doesn't change the fact of where Jones was picked, but that wasn't my point. Then, again, why would you actually respond to a point you can't repsond to when you could just spout something that literally has no backup whatsoever with the refuted claim by everyone tonight that this draft isn't as good as 2003.

again, now done with this part of the discussion. way to go one more time there sliny.

Funny I remember the ESPN panel clearly saying that this draft is stronger than 2003 and that outside of Lebron and Carmelo nobody in that draft was considered a superstar just like Oden and Durant.

 

[HooverDam]

Devin Brown example #1.

Well lets compare shall we:

Devin Brown is 3 inches shorter than James Jones-hooray even less size! Is a worse statistical 3 point shooter-hooray! They are about a wash in rebounds and Jones is better in blocks and steals- hooray! I don't think Brown is as a good of a defender either.

That being said, since they've lost Jones, I'd love Brown to come in because they need something, but who knows if he will? This is a very risky trade and to keep denying it is delusional of you

EDIT: Look, I'd be thrilled if this trade if it meant the Suns were moving Banks instead of Jones. But how can you justify moving a ROTATION player? Jones was an important piece on this team ,the Suns can't afford to be moving known rotation players for rookies or guys they might not sign.

 

[Griffin]

If they get rid off Jones they can sign a Free Agent that is better than Jones and there are lots of.

Whether Jones is on the roster or not has no bearing on whether we can or cannot sign free agents. It just will cost a little less, at the expense of roster depth. That's provided we can find someone who can replace Jones. But we still only have the MLE + veteran minimums to sign all these free agents, and now we have one more roster spot to fill. Last year all that bought was Banks, Piatkowski, Jurmaine Jones, Sean Marks and Jalen Rose. What makes you think we can do better this time around? James Jones may not have been a great player, but at least he was useful.

 

[azirish]

I wish they could be a bit more fothcoming comparing Tucker to Jones

1. How good is Tucker on defense? He's definitely shorter but appears to be stronger. If his defense is expected to be close to what Jones was doing, it would make a big difference.

2. Is Tucker's ability to score inside the arc enough to offset Jones's three point shooting? It's a big deal because Jones averaged only 3.3 ppg in the Spurs series (12.8 minutes) and just 6.4 ppg in 18.1 minutes during the season. Jones shot only 36.8% overall and just 33.9% inside the arc, so when the Spurs took away the three he was useless. Tucker averaged almost 20 ppg

3. Is Jones' size a big advantage? Jones averaged 2.3 rpg in 18.1 minutes, or just .127 rebounds per minute. This is about the same rate as Hill had, but Hill played mostly guard while Jones was supposed to be a forward.

On the surface, Tucker looks like he might be a replacement for Jones, though it is hard to know until he actually plays.

 

[Chaplin]

I'll admit, giving James Jones away for cash is beyond stupid.

 

[hcsilla]

If anything, I'm more confused than ever about them taking Koponen. This means they have Francis, Jack, Rodgriguez, Green, and Koponen. Something has got to give.

Buy-out Francis. Koponen stays in Europe. Green is a combo G. It isn't that crowded.