Jay Glazer Reports AZ Cardinals Shopping Leinart

[splitsecond]

If anyone would overpay, it would the raiders. And how funny would it be to see hollywood matt on the most ghetto team in all of sports?

 

[moklerman]

I along with many others on the board thought we had really hit the lottery when Matt fell into our laps. I was wrong and was certainly a Matt fan for a time.

I disagree. I think Matt was well on his way under Green and if Rackers didn't suck, Leinart AND Green might have kept their jobs into 2007.

Matt has certainly not endeared himself to Whis for whatever reasons but let us not forget that Whis has spent the last 3 years totally deconstructing and screwing with Leinart. We all thought it was for Leinart's benefit but if it turns out that Whis has disliked Leinart from day one and never had much intention to stick with him as a starter, all of that "coaching" that he has been piling on Leinart will take on a totally different light.

At this point, Whis has accomplished taking Leinart from a QB good enough to win as a rookie into a QB that can't even beat out Derek Anderson. That's a strike on Whis if you ask me.

 

[john h]

Kent Somers on ESPn News...ANd this is EXACT...He said Anderson will start the opener...He would be SHOCKED if he didn't....And he thinks this was thought out for weeks and Whis has already made his decision.

I say if we can...keep Leinart...but does anyone here think he wants to stay?

Just how many options does Matt have?

 

[earthsci]

I don't like this whole business but if we traded Leinart to the Raiders for Campbell and a conditional draft pick I would actually be pretty happy.

 

[D-Dogg]

I don't like this whole business but if we traded Leinart to the Raiders for Campbell and a conditional draft pick I would actually be pretty happy.

I would do backflips...or at least attempt them.

 

[earthsci]

If the Cards are smart IMO they would only be asking for conditional 2012 draft pick or picks because of the contract issue that may be scaring teams off.

If Matt ends up working out a new deal and stays with the team in 2012 the Cards get a higher pick in 2012, if Matt ends up not coming to a new deal and gets cut because of his contract we only get a 6th or 7th rounder in 2012. I think that may be the best option to get a team to bite on a deal so we at least get something.

...and keep him out of our division.

 

[JeffGollin]

Another "learning experience" of the way speculation evolves into rumor then story to actual fact.

We're kind of in the middle of the process right now and shouldn't get too far ahead of ourselves.

What do we know?

We know that Leinart won't start for the second game in a row, that he's expressed his objections publically (and, after the fact talked with Wiz) and that Glazer, Schefter and others have said that the Giants, Raiders and Bills have expressed interest in Leinart (with the presumption that the Cards are shopping him around).

That's what we know.

What we don't know is that the team has confirmed or denied.

What we also don't know is (a) what (if anything) is being offered the Cardinals for Leinart by which club, (b) what (if anything) the Cardinals are asking, (c) whether anything (if anything) being dangled by both the Cardinals or their prospective trading partners will be acceptable to either (d) how dead-set (if at all) the Cardinals are on ditching Leinart (i.e. would they cut him if they couldn't get a trade) or (e) does Wiz the Cardinal FO see any benefit in keeping Leinart?

i.e. It's not out of the realm of possibility that a deal might not be do-able and Leinart could wind up remaining a Cardinal

Granted, there seems to be an awfully lot of smoke for their not to be some fire - but I caution us all not to get too far in front of this story.

 

[moklerman]

No way the Raiders trade for him. They are actually in good shape right now with Campbell and Gradkowski. They may have liked Leinart in the draft 5 years ago but it isn't like Campbell is a guy they're stuck with. They hand picked him and he's done well. Also, which Al Davis stereotype holds more water? I thought he was in love with QB's with strong arms? Leinart to Raiders is a long shot IMO.

As far as Leinart in the division, what do the Cardinals care? They don't even think he can be a starter so I would have to say they are compelled to take whatever the best offer is, regardless of who's offering it. If Seattle offers a 7th or conditional pick and the Cardinals alternative is cutting Leinart, they should take the pick.

 

[moklerman]

What we don't know is that the team has confirmed or denied

Actually, don't we KNOW that the Cardinals haven't confirmed or denied? Glazer's buddies with Leinart so I would feel safe in assuming that everything that he gets is probably straight from Leinart(for whatever that's worth).

Also, the other teams mentioned have confirmed that the Cardinals are shopping Leinart. The Cardinals may not be confirming it but the Giants, Raiders, etc. have said they did receive phone calls.

I would say there's much more than smoke at this stage.

 

[john h]

This is what we said about Thomas Jones, too. That worked out awesome for this franchise.

I think most people on the board were on board with Thomas Jones leaving. So what happens? He has run for over 1000 yd a year for six years in a row. A lot of players turn it around with a new team. It may be the system, the coach, or the fact they just got well from lingering injuries. I think that was the case with Jones. He was playing hurt while with us and our dumb coach did not care if he was hurt or not. I recall when we as fans cheered when Graham went down with a bad injury so Plummer could play. The fans cheered at the game. Sort of classless on our part. Plummer was to be our saviour just like Matt. We stuck with him just like we have with Matt and wasted a number of years. If our GM thinks Matt has no real future it is best to get rid of him. The problem with this is that our other QBs are rookies and is it better to pay Matt if Anderson goes down or do they view the rookies as not that far from Matt in ability. I recall a a young QB named Jim Hart coming on the field when our starter went down. Hart was a star for years to come so you never know when one of these young guys will turn into what you never expected when given the ball under game conditions. Maybe one our young guys is another Jim Hart? Hart was never expected to be what he became.

 

[john h]

same thing with Garrison Hearst....big mistake coming....leinart would be starting by the 3rd or 4th game....Anderson is a TURNOVER MACHINE!!...I hope Larry is happy for not supporting Leinart. Andersons inaccuracy is going to get his ass layed out and hurt. As much as a stickler as Whiz is for turnovers ala Beanie...this baffles me...I think it has a little to do with being personal.

And Warner was to old and could not take a hit. He was washed up and we wasted money in signing him when we had Matt Leinart already here.

 

[john h]

Absolutely. I am a huge fan of Whiz but this whole offseason has been a freaking disaster.The Cards made a huge mistake not going after McNabb if this is the case.

I think you could lay this largely on the GM>

 

[JeffGollin]

Actually, don't we KNOW that the Cardinals haven't confirmed or denied?
Correct. We know that nothing has been officially confirmed or denied by the Cardinal FO.

The Cardinals may not be confirming it but the Giants, Raiders, etc. have said they did receive phone calls.
Wrong. The media is reporting that the Giants, Raiders etc. said they received phone calls from the Cardinals. That doesn't necessarily mean that they actually did. .

(I guess you might get the impression that I don't trust the media)

 

[jlove]

I think everyone is looking at this situation in the wrong way. I think it has more to do with the 2 rookies and the contract that DA signed, more than it does Leinart's ability to play or start for the Cardinals. Everyone knows that no team, not even the Cards would ever carry 4 QB's, unless one was done for the season. That being said, Skelton and Hall have both looked pretty damn good and have been talked heavily about since the start of training camp. Everyone also knows that neitherwould make it past waivers to where we would have one on our roster and one for our practice squad. That being said, Wiz has to look at what they can do with the 2 rookies. Is there a team that would trade some good assets for one of them, probably knowing that one is going to waivers cause we have Leinart and DA? Probably not. The Cards aren't gonna pull a Bengals (signing and waiving Antonio Bryant) and waive a player they just signed to a decent contract in the offseason. So, it comes down to who is the better fit long term for the Cardinals? Leinart or one/two of the standout rookies? Leinart is making $2.85 mil this year and balloons to $14 mil in March 2011 if he's on the roster. So, with all that said, is Leinart looking like he's gonna deserve that $14 mil next summer or is he a waiver candidate? We all know, he's not gonna be worth the $14 mil next summer, so is a 1 year of Leinart better than either of the standout rookies? No.....therefore Leinart needs to go now so that we can keep both rookies.

 

[moklerman]

Correct. We know that nothing has been officially confirmed or denied by the Cardinal FO.

What we don't know is that the team has confirmed or denied.

You're not trying to confuse me on purpose are you?

 

[john h]

Right the Head Coach of this team would rather win less games just because he doesn't like Leinart.

It's amazing to me how little a player can do on the field and how much he can do wrong off the field yet have so many blind supporters like Leinart who still believe in him.

Leinart arrived here as one of the best two QBs in the nation. He was sure to be a starter. A national hero who had it all. He had the unfortunate luck to go up against a legend in Kurt Warner who lived up to his legend. Had Kurt not been here he probably would have been a starter and the situation would have already been settled. He would have succeeded or failed by now. We would in any case not have won two division titles and gone to the Superbowl ha not Kurt been here. He was the engine that moved this team and as I suspected when he left there would be a giant void. There are few Kurt Warner's around. He made already great receivers even better. Having a good offensive line did not matter with Kurt as he got rid of the ball to fast and could read defenses like few people can. What is happening now was almost a certainty when Kurt retired now as we had no one who could come close to filling his shoes. When Joe Montana retired there was another Joe Montana on the bench ready to go. Kurt's new job could be Hollywood. He has the good looks and the nickname of "Hollywood". He seriously just might be a candidate for a Hollywood actor. He knows the right people to get a shot and is well known in the area. He also has enough money to live comfortably for more than a few years already.

 

[john h]

I don't disagree with this at all.

I think Wiz wanted to (or maybe was asked too nicely by the FO) to give Matt the chance to see how he reacted to having the reins. But with the season approaching Wiz just looked at Leinart said I don't want to hitch my ride to this guy and we need to move on. The team was not responding to him in preseason games and I don't remember anyone saying he was balling out in TC either.

I don't think Leinart was given a fair shake. I just think if a known QB guy like Whisenhunt (Warner, Big Ben - and many will say he hated Wiz too but he turned out to be a pretty damn good QB) says he doesn't like the makeup and ability of this kid, I listen.

Until we have a losing season - and despite what some would tell you thats not a near certainty this year - I will trust he knows better then I.

ESPECIALLY about Quarterbacks.

Are we now turning on Whiz. He does not make trades or decide who comes and goes. We have a GM that has been here for ever. Whiz was our hero since he arrived here and we should let a QB who has shown nothing of significance run the show. I do not think so.

 

[Garthshort]

Browns and Patriots seem like a possible destination for ML.

 

[Pariah]

Browns and Patriots seem like a possible destination for ML.

The Pats is an interesting thought. Brady may or may not be with the team much past this season, and I'll bet Wild Bill could work wonders for Leinart's career.

 

[moklerman]

I don't blame leinart for wanting a chance to compete for a starting slot. I wouldn't want my qb thinking any other way!

Latest Glazer tweet.

 

[daves]

Also, the other teams mentioned have confirmed that the Cardinals are shopping Leinart. The Cardinals may not be confirming it but the Giants, Raiders, etc. have said they did receive phone calls.

Really? Source?

Glazer: Giants "Not Interested" in Leinart

Raiders deny interest in trading for Leinart

Bills deny interest in trading for Leinart

...dave

 

[moklerman]

Really? Source?

Glazer: Giants "Not Interested" in Leinart

Raiders deny interest in trading for Leinart

Bills deny interest in trading for Leinart

...dave

So, not being interested = not being contacted?

 

[Duckjake]

Cards trade Leinart to Raiders. Campbell gets hurt in game one and Matt starts against Arizona at UPS.

How Cardinal would that be?

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Cards trade Leinart to Raiders. Campbell gets hurt in game one and Matt starts against Arizona at UPS.

How Cardinal would that be?

Beating us handily while staring down after every touchdown pass would be the ultimate Cardinal.

 

[Duckjake]

I do wonder of Kent Graham is still available. Sorry, but I just read too much "all is lost" in the posts. McNabb would have been interesting but at that time Matt was THE man and we were looking for a back-up.

I'm not a Matt hater nor am I of the belief that he's the next coming. If he does go I wish him the best for him personally. If he doesn't, then I hope he becomes the absolute finest QB ever.

Since I'm not part of the organization (although we all help pay for it), I can't do much about the decision that probably has already been made.

This is gut-check time to see who, if any, jumps off the bandwagon. We did have fun at SDS tailgating with 20k of our closest friends.

Those were the days. Though we didn't have Woodford back then