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If anyone would overpay, it would the raiders. And how funny would it be to see hollywood matt on the most ghetto team in all of sports?
Jay Glazer Reports AZ Cardinals Shopping Leinart
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moklerman
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I disagree. I think Matt was well on his way under Green and if Rackers didn't suck, Leinart AND Green might have kept their jobs into 2007.
Matt has certainly not endeared himself to Whis for whatever reasons but let us not forget that Whis has spent the last 3 years totally deconstructing and screwing with Leinart. We all thought it was for Leinart's benefit but if it turns out that Whis has disliked Leinart from day one and never had much intention to stick with him as a starter, all of that "coaching" that he has been piling on Leinart will take on a totally different light.
At this point, Whis has accomplished taking Leinart from a QB good enough to win as a rookie into a QB that can't even beat out Derek Anderson. That's a strike on Whis if you ask me.
Just how many options does Matt have?
I would do backflips...or at least attempt them.
...and keep him out of our division.
JeffGollin
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Another "learning experience" of the way speculation evolves into rumor then story to actual fact.
We're kind of in the middle of the process right now and shouldn't get too far ahead of ourselves.
What do we know?
We know that Leinart won't start for the second game in a row, that he's expressed his objections publically (and, after the fact talked with Wiz) and that Glazer, Schefter and others have said that the Giants, Raiders and Bills have expressed interest in Leinart (with the presumption that the Cards are shopping him around).
That's what we know.
What we don't know is that the team has confirmed or denied.
What we also don't know is (a) what (if anything) is being offered the Cardinals for Leinart by which club, (b) what (if anything) the Cardinals are asking, (c) whether anything (if anything) being dangled by both the Cardinals or their prospective trading partners will be acceptable to either (d) how dead-set (if at all) the Cardinals are on ditching Leinart (i.e. would they cut him if they couldn't get a trade) or (e) does Wiz the Cardinal FO see any benefit in keeping Leinart?
i.e. It's not out of the realm of possibility that a deal might not be do-able and Leinart could wind up remaining a Cardinal
Granted, there seems to be an awfully lot of smoke for their not to be some fire - but I caution us all not to get too far in front of this story.
We're kind of in the middle of the process right now and shouldn't get too far ahead of ourselves.
What do we know?
We know that Leinart won't start for the second game in a row, that he's expressed his objections publically (and, after the fact talked with Wiz) and that Glazer, Schefter and others have said that the Giants, Raiders and Bills have expressed interest in Leinart (with the presumption that the Cards are shopping him around).
That's what we know.
What we don't know is that the team has confirmed or denied.
What we also don't know is (a) what (if anything) is being offered the Cardinals for Leinart by which club, (b) what (if anything) the Cardinals are asking, (c) whether anything (if anything) being dangled by both the Cardinals or their prospective trading partners will be acceptable to either (d) how dead-set (if at all) the Cardinals are on ditching Leinart (i.e. would they cut him if they couldn't get a trade) or (e) does Wiz the Cardinal FO see any benefit in keeping Leinart?
i.e. It's not out of the realm of possibility that a deal might not be do-able and Leinart could wind up remaining a Cardinal
Granted, there seems to be an awfully lot of smoke for their not to be some fire - but I caution us all not to get too far in front of this story.
moklerman
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No way the Raiders trade for him. They are actually in good shape right now with Campbell and Gradkowski. They may have liked Leinart in the draft 5 years ago but it isn't like Campbell is a guy they're stuck with. They hand picked him and he's done well. Also, which Al Davis stereotype holds more water? I thought he was in love with QB's with strong arms? Leinart to Raiders is a long shot IMO.
As far as Leinart in the division, what do the Cardinals care? They don't even think he can be a starter so I would have to say they are compelled to take whatever the best offer is, regardless of who's offering it. If Seattle offers a 7th or conditional pick and the Cardinals alternative is cutting Leinart, they should take the pick.
As far as Leinart in the division, what do the Cardinals care? They don't even think he can be a starter so I would have to say they are compelled to take whatever the best offer is, regardless of who's offering it. If Seattle offers a 7th or conditional pick and the Cardinals alternative is cutting Leinart, they should take the pick.
moklerman
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Actually, don't we KNOW that the Cardinals haven't confirmed or denied? Glazer's buddies with Leinart so I would feel safe in assuming that everything that he gets is probably straight from Leinart(for whatever that's worth).
Also, the other teams mentioned have confirmed that the Cardinals are shopping Leinart. The Cardinals may not be confirming it but the Giants, Raiders, etc. have said they did receive phone calls.
I would say there's much more than smoke at this stage.
I think most people on the board were on board with Thomas Jones leaving. So what happens? He has run for over 1000 yd a year for six years in a row. A lot of players turn it around with a new team. It may be the system, the coach, or the fact they just got well from lingering injuries. I think that was the case with Jones. He was playing hurt while with us and our dumb coach did not care if he was hurt or not. I recall when we as fans cheered when Graham went down with a bad injury so Plummer could play. The fans cheered at the game. Sort of classless on our part. Plummer was to be our saviour just like Matt. We stuck with him just like we have with Matt and wasted a number of years. If our GM thinks Matt has no real future it is best to get rid of him. The problem with this is that our other QBs are rookies and is it better to pay Matt if Anderson goes down or do they view the rookies as not that far from Matt in ability. I recall a a young QB named Jim Hart coming on the field when our starter went down. Hart was a star for years to come so you never know when one of these young guys will turn into what you never expected when given the ball under game conditions. Maybe one our young guys is another Jim Hart? Hart was never expected to be what he became.
And Warner was to old and could not take a hit. He was washed up and we wasted money in signing him when we had Matt Leinart already here.
I think you could lay this largely on the GM>
JeffGollin
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(I guess you might get the impression that I don't trust the media)
jlove
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I think everyone is looking at this situation in the wrong way. I think it has more to do with the 2 rookies and the contract that DA signed, more than it does Leinart's ability to play or start for the Cardinals. Everyone knows that no team, not even the Cards would ever carry 4 QB's, unless one was done for the season. That being said, Skelton and Hall have both looked pretty damn good and have been talked heavily about since the start of training camp. Everyone also knows that neitherwould make it past waivers to where we would have one on our roster and one for our practice squad. That being said, Wiz has to look at what they can do with the 2 rookies. Is there a team that would trade some good assets for one of them, probably knowing that one is going to waivers cause we have Leinart and DA? Probably not. The Cards aren't gonna pull a Bengals (signing and waiving Antonio Bryant) and waive a player they just signed to a decent contract in the offseason. So, it comes down to who is the better fit long term for the Cardinals? Leinart or one/two of the standout rookies? Leinart is making $2.85 mil this year and balloons to $14 mil in March 2011 if he's on the roster. So, with all that said, is Leinart looking like he's gonna deserve that $14 mil next summer or is he a waiver candidate? We all know, he's not gonna be worth the $14 mil next summer, so is a 1 year of Leinart better than either of the standout rookies? No.....therefore Leinart needs to go now so that we can keep both rookies.
moklerman
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You're not trying to confuse me on purpose are you?
Leinart arrived here as one of the best two QBs in the nation. He was sure to be a starter. A national hero who had it all. He had the unfortunate luck to go up against a legend in Kurt Warner who lived up to his legend. Had Kurt not been here he probably would have been a starter and the situation would have already been settled. He would have succeeded or failed by now. We would in any case not have won two division titles and gone to the Superbowl ha not Kurt been here. He was the engine that moved this team and as I suspected when he left there would be a giant void. There are few Kurt Warner's around. He made already great receivers even better. Having a good offensive line did not matter with Kurt as he got rid of the ball to fast and could read defenses like few people can. What is happening now was almost a certainty when Kurt retired now as we had no one who could come close to filling his shoes. When Joe Montana retired there was another Joe Montana on the bench ready to go. Kurt's new job could be Hollywood. He has the good looks and the nickname of "Hollywood". He seriously just might be a candidate for a Hollywood actor. He knows the right people to get a shot and is well known in the area. He also has enough money to live comfortably for more than a few years already.
Are we now turning on Whiz. He does not make trades or decide who comes and goes. We have a GM that has been here for ever. Whiz was our hero since he arrived here and we should let a QB who has shown nothing of significance run the show. I do not think so.
Garthshort
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Browns and Patriots seem like a possible destination for ML.
The Pats is an interesting thought. Brady may or may not be with the team much past this season, and I'll bet Wild Bill could work wonders for Leinart's career.
moklerman
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Latest Glazer tweet.
moklerman
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So, not being interested = not being contacted?
MaoTosiFanClub
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Beating us handily while staring down after every touchdown pass would be the ultimate Cardinal.
Those were the days. Though we didn't have Woodford back then
