Jeff Teflon Blake

[Lex]

Lars- there are plenty of Plummer threads currently in use.

Find one of those.

I'm not there.

 

[Lars the Red]

Originally posted by HIX
I'll make someone a star Jeff Blake

I beg to differ, Q made BLAKE look good. You take away Q uncanny ability to break tackles and juke defenders AFTER the catch and this conversation would be going a whole different way...

But this was the first game. Let's see what happens next week

Let me get this straight, if Q doesn't have his game, then Blake sucked otherwise? So those other 18 completions to 8 other receivers for a 150 yards doesn't matter? And you really don't think that Blake would have found another 'go to' guy if Q hadn't stepped it up?

Q got open and Blake delivered the ball. Q is a physical receiver and in the opening comments, the announcers were mentioning that the DB's would be crowding the Cardinal WRs and they would have to find a way to get off the line. Q was tailor made for that type coverage. He has the muscle and the savvy.

As for Q's ability to juke, why not make the same comparison to Leonard Davis' mass...'If LD wasn't so darn big, he might get pushed around'. That's why they play the game they do, at the positions they do, because they have skills.

 

[Lars the Red]

Originally posted by Lex
Lars- there are plenty of Plummer threads currently in use.

Find one of those.

I'm not there.

Where are you, Lex?

Denver?

 

[HIX]

Everyone talks about stats...but if Blake throws a 2 yard pass and emmit runs it for 97 yards did Blake really do anything? Stats can be deceiving. I personally think blake had an"ok" game that looks better due to a standout perfomance by his go-to guy. Like I said, let's see what happens next week to get a better feel for his performance.

 

[Redmark]

Originally posted by Lex
Beef- it had EVERYTHING to do with our untested wideouts, and our quarterback. They didn't respect our passing game. They left it unprotected, so don't come here trying to tell me that Blake is a great quarterback, based on STATISTICS, in a game the defense wasn't concerned about stopping our passing game.

We're going to have to continue to throw the ball all day, till teams respect our passing game, but if we can't win that way? Why would any team change the way they defend us?

Our defense will never hold up in that scenario.

I believe in the importance of a balanced attack as much as the next guy; but isn't this the kind of defense an OC with a passing fancy dream of? I mean, go ahead and dare us to pass if we can get 3-5 TDs each week!

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Originally posted by HIX
Everyone talks about stats...but if Blake throws a 2 yard pass and emmit runs it for 97 yards did Blake really do anything? Stats can be deceiving. I personally think blake had an"ok" game that looks better due to a standout perfomance by his go-to guy. Like I said, let's see what happens next week to get a better feel for his performance.

my counter to that thought (a legitimate one) hix, would be that a receiver has a much better chance for a long gainer if the qb hits him in stride or, even better leads him a little bit with the ball.

any type of inaccuracy on those crossing patterns is going to slow a receiver up enough so that he is an easy target for linebackers or safeties.

blake was zipping the ball out to quan and freddie right on the money. again that was something we haven't seen in about 10 years of cardinal football. and I LOVED it.

I am full on the blake bandwagon baby. crank up the speakers and put the peddle to the metal because we are on our way to the playoffs!

 

[Lars the Red]

Originally posted by HIX
Everyone talks about stats...but if Blake throws a 2 yard pass and emmit runs it for 97 yards did Blake really do anything? Stats can be deceiving. I personally think blake had an"ok" game that looks better due to a standout perfomance by his go-to guy. Like I said, let's see what happens next week to get a better feel for his performance.

Okay, I'll give you the one big gain by Q. Take 71 yards off the day, or maybe make it 63 yards figuring that Q would at least have gotten 8 out of it. Blake still would have had 300 yards on 28 completions for a 10.7 ypc and 2 TDs. Not what I'd call a piss poor effort.

 

[Russ Smith]

Originally posted by HIX
Everyone talks about stats...but if Blake throws a 2 yard pass and emmit runs it for 97 yards did Blake really do anything? Stats can be deceiving. I personally think blake had an"ok" game that looks better due to a standout perfomance by his go-to guy. Like I said, let's see what happens next week to get a better feel for his performance.

But the thing you're missing is this would not have happened if we had last year's QB. Because last years QB wouldn't have been throwing to Q he would have been locked on his primary guy. EVentually I think Q became the first option, but not initially.

Further, if last years guy were here, the next 3-4 games every team would key on Q, and they'd pick 1-2 passes a game as a result of last years guy forcing balls into Q instead of saying hey they're taking him away, I'll go somewhere else.

I sincerely doubt Blake will do that, if he does, I'll be right here complaining about it.

 

[HIX]

Originally posted by Lars the Red
Okay, I'll give you the one big gain by Q. Take 71 yards off the day, or maybe make it 63 yards figuring that Q would at least have gotten 8 out of it. Blake still would have had 300 yards on 28 completions for a 10.7 ypc and 2 TDs. Not what I'd call a piss poor effort.

Now add in the trip near the goal line, the multiple wierd stumbles and delays of game, the two balls that popped outta his hands and the INT. and that brings us to my rating for the last game...

"OK"

 

[HIX]

Originally posted by Russ Smith
But the thing you're missing is this would not have happened if we had last year's QB. Because last years QB wouldn't have been throwing to Q he would have been locked on his primary guy. EVentually I think Q became the first option, but not initially.

Further, if last years guy were here, the next 3-4 games every team would key on Q, and they'd pick 1-2 passes a game as a result of last years guy forcing balls into Q instead of saying hey they're taking him away, I'll go somewhere else.

I sincerely doubt Blake will do that, if he does, I'll be right here complaining about it.

This isn't last year and I wasn't a fan till late so let's focus on the time at hand. Medocrity in the past does not excuse mistakes in the present.

 

[Lars the Red]

Originally posted by HIX
Now add in the trip near the goal line, the multiple wierd stumbles and delays of game, the two balls that popped outta his hands and the INT. and that brings us to my rating for the last game...

"OK"

Two things that I felt may have contributed to the stumbles were the dinked head (I'm not convinced he didn't have concussion issues from last week) and playing on Field Turf.

If you don't get many opportunities to play on it, it can be a little different from some of the other surfaces. I love the stuff. I ran around on it for a couple of hours playing catch, kicking field goals and tossing the frisbee around. It's soft, but has a little squishy feel to it. We had several instances of turf sharks grabbing us and causing some amusing face plants.

It may have had no impact or it could have caused some of the trips.

 

[Cardiac]

Originally posted by azcardsfan1616
People are already making excuses for blake instead of actually seeing what happened. This looks to me like another jake situation where people make excuses then when he screws up enough people bad mouth him and exile him from the city.

Another Jake is GOD fan.

I'm just not sure what will have to happen before you see your emperor has no clothes (QB ability).

 

[Cardiac]

Originally posted by ajcardfan
Lex,

This entire thread is stupid, you contradict your own main points several times. At one point, you're saying that Blake should be getting hammered for his mistakes. (Which, as far as I know, no one has given him a mulligan on, and the man himself said he screwed it up.) Then, you're turning around and saying that QB's are overrated when it comes to wins and losses. (So, why the big push to hammer on Blake?) Then, you turn around and claim a big reason for Denver's win, is the Bengals were so scared of Plummer it didn't matter he played like crap because he took them out of their gameplan and Portis ran wild. Then, anyone who uses "stats" you call a loser. Convenient, since stats wouldn't show Blake was the worst player on the Cards, and Plummer was the best on the Broncos.

That's mental masturbation at it's finest. Hell, your reasoning is the Kama Sutra of mental masturbation.

Not only a great post but a strong finish with that mental masturbation punch line.

 

[HoodieBets]

Originally posted by Cardiac
Another Jake is GOD fan.

I'm just not sure what will have to happen before you see your emperor has no clothes (QB ability).

Why do you say that? Because i saw the game different than you? sorry i dont share your views.

If it makes you happy let me say it Jake is GOD. There happy now? Damn just because i think blake had a bad game dosent mean i think jake is GOD. Point the finger somewhere else. You guys jump on lex all the time because of jake even if he dosent say anything.

All i was saying was that when blake is here for 5 years and he screws up every year will the people who now think he is GOD still say the same? Thats what happened with jake right? He was GOD after his rookie season but now what?

So what if someone is a fan of plummer? Is there a problem with that? People here love KVB but he sucks whats the difference?

 

[Zeno]

I could care less about Jake Plummer, he sucked while he was here and now he is gone(thankfully)...enough said.

Jeff Blake is our QB now, he had an OK game--good stats but 2 killer mistakes. Had the game gone as planned I am sure he wouldn't even have been passing as much late in the game, but the fact is they had to pass and he should protect the ball better. Blake's career has shown he will put up OK numbers consistently--most importantly more TDs than Ints.

I will say this much at least he didn't bury us early in the game...the defense and special teams did. The defense never even looked like they had a shot at a big play--I don't even know if Harrington was touched all game and our DBs gave so much of a cushion that he looked All Pro with his passes.

Had we been playing St Louis or San Fran on Sunday we would have given up 50+. Their WRs and running game would have made our defense look as inadequate as they truly are.

If I am labelling a player as someone who should shoulder a lot of blame for Sunday Blake would be further down the list than say Renaldo Hill(not NFL caliber), all the LBs(esp 55), Gramatica(noodle leg), Coach Mac(not prepared), Coach Sullivan(slow playcalling) and Chris Dishman(just plain awful). Blake MUST shoulder some of the blame but the fact is he played well enough for us to win and his mistakes only contributed to the loss--they alone didn't cause it.

 

[Sandan]

azcardsfan1616, I think it is because you are happy to call out people for what you see as giving Blake a free ride.

Conversely you uninterested is responding when your own words are used in reverse regarding other players. In my case you wanted to excuse D Boston.

Be consistent, at least the brothers in the Darkside (Cheesie & The Clown) are consistent.

 

[AzCards21]

I nominate this for the dumbest thread ever.

Blake put up the best QB numbers we have seen in ten years.
Boldin gains the Rookie WR record.
We stayed in the game unti the fourth quarter.

No we didn't win. But how bad could the loss have been with Plummer? Anquan would have never came close to those numbers with Jake. F. Jones would still be the odd man out.

You want to plead a case for Jake this isn't the week to do it. Yes, he won, Actually he didn't win Portis did. But to say Blake was our worst problem and Jake was the answer is stupid.

15 games to go. I still bet Blake wins us more than Plummer wins for the donks.

 

[pinnacle]

azcards21:

you had to ask....

score of detroit game if that other guy was still the qb:
detroit: 49
arizona 6

2 field goals only + a few more turnovers. It would have been like the chiefs/cardinals game of last season.