Jim Harbaugh...a true whiner!

[Brian]

This past off season, alot of head coaches and Def coordinators spent time talking with both coaches who run the read-option and coaches who have to defend it at least once or twice a season. All from the college ranks. Their answer?

Hit the QB. Every time. Even if he's already handed it off. Even if you get flagged the 15 yards.

Hit the QB. Then hit him again.

That was the consensus, and you are going to see alot of teams do it this year.

That's what Matthews was referencing, and that's what Jimmy boy is whining about.

Personally, I can't wait.

 

[Buckybird]

So you have a high tolerance for whiny lil *******, nice.

If either of the 2 were coaching the Redbirds right now & we were experiencing their success, not 1 person in this thread would be bitching about them. IMO they're set up to win & be competitive for awhile unless injuries destroy any part of their nucleus. When's the last time we as Cards fans could say that?

 

[gimpy]

"entertaining, dedicated and "honest""?

 

[Buckybird]

This past off season, alot of head coaches and Def coordinators spent time talking with both coaches who run the read-option and coaches who have to defend it at least once or twice a season. All from the college ranks. Their answer?

Hit the QB. Every time. Even if he's already handed it off. Even if you get flagged the 15 yards.

Hit the QB. Then hit him again.

That was the consensus, and you are going to see alot of teams do it this year.

That's what Matthews was referencing, and that's what Jimmy boy is whining about.

Personally, I can't wait.

And IMO stay out of much man to man coverage or the QB might kill you in the run game

 

[MigratingOsprey]

"entertaining, dedicated and "honest""?

Absolutely ...... I know, I'm as surprised as the next guy

Balances being candid with a bit of coachspeak and some measured responses ..... but for the most part is very candid, direct and people know where they stand

 

[MigratingOsprey]

And IMO stay out of much man to man coverage or the QB might kill you in the run game

Yeah - I can agree with this as well. I think a team that can provide good front 4 pressure and has some speed and discipline across the defense can do pretty well.

People want to talk about the success that Washington, SF and even Seattle had with the package and everyone wants to focus on the QB

Keep in mind that Frank Gore was the underacheiver RB in that trio - finishing just 10th in the NFL in rushing with over 1,200 yards and 4.7 ypc.

Morris led that pack with just over 1,600 yards - Lynch with just under that mark

In 2011 when Cam Newton went nuts Williams & Stewart combined for over 1500 yards with Williams putting up 5 ypc

Teams would cheat against the run and basically the read option plays really flourished when they either get the defense flowing one direction and design a play in the opposite direction or if the defense committed to early or hard to the back opening up the field for the QB ....... eventually it got to the point where the threat of the QB would freeze up the defense for a half second making the RB more effective

That is what is going to make it so difficult and that goes beyond simply hitting the QB ...... although every defense has that as their list of things to do .... even going into Carolina this week the Seattle defenders say they want to keep Newton in the pocket, hit him as often as they can, force him to throw the ball to beat them and then stay disciplined to the play and make/finish plays when you can or else he'll eat you up

I think it goes without saying though that if a QB wants to leave the pocket and cross the LOS 100+ times a year then defenses are going to want to make him pay for that business decision

 

[Russ Smith]

Basically the Pistol and read option are just variations off the past. The fact is in the NFL the rule has always been you don't see old running QB's, you see young ones, and you see old ones who USED to run when they were young. Not just because they lost speed, but because they get hit so much when they run.

That's why coaches take guys like Steve Young and try to get them to where they can be effective in the pocket, the hits they take are less likely to be career threatening.

Last year Kaepernick prided himself on not running out of bounds, and he got tattooed(pun intended) several times by defenders for not doing so. If he continues to pay that way it's unlikely he'll last a full season as a starter. He may look like superman but he's not.

Harbaugh is doing two things here, working the refs, and working Colin Kaepernick. I have your back, but I'm worried if you keep refusing to run out of bounds, you're going to get hurt.

And yes the rule is very simple with that offense, hit the QB, if he's outside pocket acting like he has the ball, hit him.

UCLA tried to put that offense in and found out quite quickly the downside when both of their QB's, who weren't good runners, got hurt. They have a good runner now but they aren't really running the Pistol anymore because they don't want the good QB to get hurt.

I don't see the comparison with Wilson, Wilson had twice as many pass attempts, and ran 94 times to Kaepernicks 63. If you double CK's stats you see he runs MUCH more often than Wilson does. Wilson picks his spots, CK doesn't.

he's going to learn to or he's going to get hurt, that's what happens to running QB's in the NFL.

 

[cardncubfan]

yup...it's Danny Ainge syndrome.

HATED Ainge throughout his entire career...and he became my favorite player on the Suns. Even had an Ainge poster for years. Anyone who both bites Chris Dudley's leg and nail the smug punk Mario Elie with the ball at the halfcourt while standing on the endline is an instant favorite for me.

Oh the good ole days.

 

[MigratingOsprey]

wilson also did an excellent job of both sliding and getting out of bounds - late in a close game or during the playoffs he pushed a bit more and took a couple extra shots

even a couple times when sliding he took some shots to the head

will be interested to see how they use him and the read option this year and hopefully he remains smart about protecting himself

 

[RugbyMuffin]

This past off season, alot of head coaches and Def coordinators spent time talking with both coaches who run the read-option and coaches who have to defend it at least once or twice a season. All from the college ranks. Their answer?

Hit the QB. Every time. Even if he's already handed it off. Even if you get flagged the 15 yards.

Hit the QB. Then hit him again.

That was the consensus, and you are going to see alot of teams do it this year.

That's what Matthews was referencing, and that's what Jimmy boy is whining about.

Personally, I can't wait.

+1

"...and make sure if you get 15 yards, you "earn" those 15 yards"

 

[D-Dogg]

Great coach...even better douchebag.

I was incredibly sad to see Mike Singletary get the boot. He was singlehandedly the reason that 49er team never reached its potential.

 

[Russ Smith]

wilson also did an excellent job of both sliding and getting out of bounds - late in a close game or during the playoffs he pushed a bit more and took a couple extra shots

even a couple times when sliding he took some shots to the head

will be interested to see how they use him and the read option this year and hopefully he remains smart about protecting himself

Yep he's much more selective on when and how to run right now. Kaepernick is a physical freak, he's basically Randall Cunningham with better weight training, but guess what even Randall got hurt, he played 16 games in a season 3 times in his career, 16 year career. He played a full season 3 years in a row, and then never again. The best rushing year of his career was his last full season, he got hurt the first game of the next year with an ACL and missed the season. Came back ran the ball alot again, got hurt, and was never the same.

NFL defensive players are simply too big and strong, QB's who run that much wind up getting hurt, for the same reason RB's have short careers.

 

[Mulli]

yup...it's Danny Ainge syndrome.

HATED Ainge throughout his entire career...and he became my favorite player on the Suns. Even had an Ainge poster for years. Anyone who both bites Chris Dudley's leg and nail the smug punk Mario Elie with the ball at the halfcourt while standing on the endline is an instant favorite for me.

I question that Elie was at half court. And I might agree except for Ainge leaving Paxson to double Horace Grant of all people in game 6.

http://smokingsection.uproxx.com/TSS/2013/05/danny-ainge-throws-ball-at-mario-elie

 

[Cardiac]

The differance is the Devil Jones doesn't know jack about football & those 2 do their jobs very well.

Agreed.

Great coach...even better douchebag.

I was incredibly sad to see Mike Singletary get the boot. He was singlehandedly the reason that 49er team never reached its potential.

Agreed.

 

[AZ Native]

I question that Elie was at half court. And I might agree except for Ainge leaving Paxson to double Horace Grant of all people in game 6.



You had to say it, didn't you?

 

[THESMEL]

Both Harbaughs- run a low risk fundamentally sound ball control game plan on both sides of the ball. pretty simple really- just everybody else thinks they are so much smarter- and lose more.

 

[Bodha]

Im all for laying out running QBs




but Clay Matthews specifically should put up before he talks. He got abused like none other in the playoff game. It was hard to watch.

So im not entirely convinced Matthews can even catch Kaepernick. Dont think he even caught up to his dust cloud last time they met. Well see.

 

[red desert]

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Jim-Harbaugh-calls-NFLs-option-ruling-biased.html

More Harbaugh whining.

 

[Cardiac]

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Jim-Harbaugh-calls-NFLs-option-ruling-biased.html

More Harbaugh whining.

Unfortunately today's whining becomes tomorrows new rule. If too many young stud/star QB's who run the pistol get hurt the league will put in rules to protect them more.

The league puts in rules that favor the Offense. The league is in hyperdrive trying to improve player safety.

The circus that surrounds RG3's injury and how it was/wasn't handled and now every snap RG3 takes in practice is breaking news.

I'd actually be shocked if what Harbaugh is whining about now doesn't become a league rule in a year or two, max.