Johnson says 'no hard feelings' with Suns after trade

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Aug. 20, 2005 12:00 AM

After seven weeks of innuendo and intrigue, Joe Johnson spoke Friday when the trade he desired from Phoenix to Atlanta was finally completed.

There was no angst or thanks directed at the Suns, who went from prioritizing his re-signing to dealing him for guard Boris Diaw, two protected first-round picks and a $6 million trade exception.

He barely acknowledged a tumultuous departure from where his career boomed.



"I have no hard feelings at all toward anybody out there," Johnson told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. "This is a business. I know it and they know it and everybody did what was best for them."

The Little Rock native cited returning to the South and a "fresh start" as reasons he left a 62-win team for a 13-win club.

He did not comment on how two summers of negotiations rankled him and prompted a stinging, personal request for owner Robert Sarver not to match Atlanta's five-year, $69.8 million offer. He signed for those terms, including $23 million in the first year.

The Johnson camp's discontent led Phoenix to pursue a sign and trade. A deal was hung up for three weeks by co-owner Steve Belkin, who agreed to a buyout Friday.

"I want the guy (Johnson) to do well and I wish him the best," said Suns President and General Manager Bryan Colangelo. "It's unfortunate his desires didn't fit our model of building a team."

Asked if there were not enough shots for the Suns' stars, Johnson told Hawks radio flagship WCXI, "That wasn't my purpose for leaving. I love playing with Steve Nash, Shawn Marion and Amaré Stoudemire. I'm great friends with those guys. My departure had nothing to do with them. It was other reasons . . . I had to do what's best for myself."

The Hawks will play Johnson at point, where he had spot duty with Phoenix. He will be part of a young core, like when the Suns began last season with the NBA's youngest roster.

"It was an experience that I'll cherish," he said. "I have a lot of memories. I still have a lot of fun. I keep in contact."

Phoenix acquires a $6 million exception that can offset a salary gap in a trade. The Suns will get Atlanta's first-round pick in 2006 if this season's Hawks make the playoffs. If not, they would get the pick in 2007 if it is not in the top three. There would be no conditions on the pick in 2008.

The other first-round pick may come next year. The Lakers owe Boston a first-round pick, but it is top-10 protected in 2006. Boston owes Atlanta a first-rounder, too. The least favorable of the Lakers' and Celtics' draft slots would go to Phoenix. The Suns only get the pick in a year the Lakers' pick moves to Boston. That Lakers' pick is top-five protected from 2007 to 2010.

Diaw, a 6-foot-8 guard, did not meet expectations of a No. 21 pick in two seasons with Atlanta. Diaw, 23, shot poorly while averaging 4.6 points, 3.6 rebounds and 2.3 assists but the Suns liked his minutes at point guard. Like Johnson, he fell out of a team's plans and had his passion questioned.

"We get a player with upside that will continue to grow," Colangelo said. "Hopefully, we'll get some of the same results we got from Johnson."

Colangelo said there was surprising patience from Johnson and his agent, Arn Tellem, during the trade's delays.

"Once we agreed to a deal and expressed that we'd honor that deal, we couldn't have gone back to the agent to negotiate a deal until they opened that door for us," he said.

"It certainly wasn't the intended result of our free-agency objective this summer, but we decided to turn the page and move on."

That includes a possible sign-and-trade deal for Indiana's James Jones.

The Suns are also vying to land Michael Finley, who visited with Phoenix coach Mike D'Antoni at a wedding Thursday night.



http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/0820suns0820.html
 

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This is the first "clarification" of the draft picks I've seen published by the republic:

Phoenix acquires a $6 million exception that can offset a salary gap in a trade. The Suns will get Atlanta's first-round pick in 2006 if this season's Hawks make the playoffs. If not, they would get the pick in 2007 if it is not in the top three. There would be no conditions on the pick in 2008.

The other first-round pick may come next year. The Lakers owe Boston a first-round pick, but it is top-10 protected in 2006. Boston owes Atlanta a first-rounder, too. The least favorable of the Lakers' and Celtics' draft slots would go to Phoenix. The Suns only get the pick in a year the Lakers' pick moves to Boston. That Lakers' pick is top-five protected from 2007 to 2010.

The Laker/Celtics pick is rather muddled but still likely to be a lot better than the Suns pick for next season.
 
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I'm still confused about Padgett. If the Johnson exception is $6 million, that means that Diaw was acquired with the Voskuhl exception, which in turn means that there's nothing left but a minimum deal for Padgett. So if he has agreed to that, why isn't it official? And if the Suns are planning to give Padgett a portion of the Johnson exception -- a small portion, we can only hope -- then why go through the complication of making that exception larger?
 
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elindholm said:
I'm still confused about Padgett. If the Johnson exception is $6 million, that means that Diaw was acquired with the Voskuhl exception, which in turn means that there's nothing left but a minimum deal for Padgett. So if he has agreed to that, why isn't it official? And if the Suns are planning to give Padgett a portion of the Johnson exception -- a small portion, we can only hope -- then why go through the complication of making it larger?

I don't think Padgett has anything to do with the trade exception. I think they will use the veteran minimum for him.

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That's the first definitive statement I've read about the pick protection. Now I can see what all the fuss is about regarding the (probable) 2007 Atlanta pick.

I sure don't see the Hawks making the playoffs this season with their current roster. If McGrady couldn't do it in Orlando a couple of years back, how is Johnson supposed to do it in Atlanta? The Hawks still have a lot of space to throw around -- anyone think they're still eyeing Curry? Hoopshype reports that the Bulls won't give him a long-term deal.
 

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I don't think Padgett has anything to do with the trade exception. I think they will use the veteran minimum for him.

That makes sense, but then I'm back to wondering what the hangup is. Since his joining the team has been rumored for several weeks now, I would think that sealing a minimum deal just isn't that complicated.
 

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I kind of understand JJ's desire to leave PHX, now.

I don't think it was motivated by money or his hatred for the organization.

It was just a young man who has has spent time away from "home", and simply wanted to go back and feel like the man.

Immature? Yes. But, how mature were you at 23?

He'll look back after a few seasons and probably start realizing the ramifications of his decision.

His family seems like a tight-knit group, he doesn't get into trouble, basketball and video games rule the kid's life... it's a shame for us fans to have to lose a player like this. Only thing we can do is wish him luck, and hope we got the better of the deal.

( I keep remembering back to the Suns promo commercial with JJ and Nash running wind sprints... and think damn, we lost a extremely dedicated athlete).
 

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elindholm said:
That's the first definitive statement I've read about the pick protection. Now I can see what all the fuss is about regarding the (probable) 2007 Atlanta pick.

I sure don't see the Hawks making the playoffs this season with their current roster. If McGrady couldn't do it in Orlando a couple of years back, how is Johnson supposed to do it in Atlanta? The Hawks still have a lot of space to throw around -- anyone think they're still eyeing Curry? Hoopshype reports that the Bulls won't give him a long-term deal.


Regarding the Hawks looking at Curry as another center.

Life is ironic. Now I'm hoping Pachulia doesn't blossom into a good center with the Hawks or he at least waits 4 years until his contract runs out with the Hawks or he is later traded to Phoenix.

I was reading on the Hawks forum and it was like the fans there didn't know anything about the kid. IMO, he night have been a better acquisition than JJ.

Am I still wrong to worry about the PG position or does anyone think Diaw or Barbosa will be able to give Nash some rest? I'm not sure.

I would still feel better with the Suns adding a distributing PG to their roster. The Suns can add all the shooters to their roster they want but someone needs to give Nash some rest and distribute the ball when he is out of the lineup.

Just a thought, if Diaw cannot handle PG duties, his athletic abilities might be better utilized as a backup for Shawn Marion at the SF. Draftnet. gave him very good reviews in regards to athletic ability. He sure sound like a developing SF to me, especially with his height and reportedly good defense.

I'm also wondering if the Suns are looking at James Jones as a SG and about the status of Padgett. I do think Padgett would make a good backup for the Phoenix' frontline. I'm always liked his hard nosed style when he played in Utah.

However, I'm still hoping for Finley.
 
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sly fly said:
I kind of understand JJ's desire to leave PHX, now.

I don't think it was motivated by money or his hatred for the organization.

It was just a young man who has has spent time away from "home", and simply wanted to go back and feel like the man.

Immature? Yes. But, how mature were you at 23?

He'll look back after a few seasons and probably start realizing the ramifications of his decision.

His family seems like a tight-knit group, he doesn't get into trouble, basketball and video games rule the kid's life... it's a shame for us fans to have to lose a player like this. Only thing we can do is wish him luck, and hope we got the better of the deal.

( I keep remembering back to the Suns promo commercial with JJ and Nash running wind sprints... and think damn, we lost a extremely dedicated athlete).


I'm willing to forgive JJ for wanting to move on for the reasons stated above. I just did not want Phoenix to lose him without compensation.

I just wish he would have been more forthcoming about his feelings to the Suns fans before now. I think there was alot of bitterness stirred up by his silence (and ensuing speculation as to why) which will now hopefully go away.
 

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sly fly said:
I kind of understand JJ's desire to leave PHX, now.

I don't think it was motivated by money or his hatred for the organization.

It was just a young man who has has spent time away from "home", and simply wanted to go back and feel like the man.

Immature? Yes. But, how mature were you at 23?

He'll look back after a few seasons and probably start realizing the ramifications of his decision.

His family seems like a tight-knit group, he doesn't get into trouble, basketball and video games rule the kid's life... it's a shame for us fans to have to lose a player like this. Only thing we can do is wish him luck, and hope we got the better of the deal.

( I keep remembering back to the Suns promo commercial with JJ and Nash running wind sprints... and think damn, we lost a extremely dedicated athlete).


Well said, sly fly.
 

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just thought you all would get a kick out of this:

in 06-07, Joe Johnson will be paid more money by an NBA franchise and ANY other NBA Player, with Allan Houston, Chris Webber, and Shaq getting about $19M each and JJ getting $23M.

LOL
 

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Mainstreet said:
I'm willing to forgive JJ for wanting to move on for the reasons stated above. I just did not want Phoenix to lose him without compensation.

I just wish he would have been more forthcoming about his feelings to the Suns fans before now. I think there was alot of bitterness stirred up by his silence (and ensuing speculation as to why) which will now hopefully go away.

I just discovered why Joe wanted to change uniforms.

http://www.onlinesports.com/pages/I,MN-KSHW72A44.html



I bet he can't wait to get his nickname on his version of the Hawks throwback jersey.

---2---
"A Hole"


You have got have a lot pride to wear that uniform.
 
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I am still mad to see Joe leave but I am not really mad at Joe.

He can do what he wants the situation is just disappointing.


I think Diaw can turn into a player for us. Maybe that is just the kool-aid talking but I think he can be just as good as Joe in ball handling and rebounding, better as a passer, and he can always work on his shooting to develop more consistancy if not Joe's range.

If necessary we can get by with Barbosa, Diaw, and Jackson backing up Nash in the backcourt. The instances where the point guard is walking the ball up from the backcourt is reletively limited in the regular season anyway and the playoffs is what you are saving him for. I suspect Nash will be on the floor most of the time in the playoffs in any event.

So far I like how the team is coming together considering the loss of JJ.
 

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I can see the Suns going small with Diaw at power forward and Marion at the 3 (or vice versa). Think it might work with Marion at the 3 because he's a better shooter.

I guess Diaw at the point would be the head of their big lineup, but they won't be able to go really big.
 

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Gaddabout said:
I can see the Suns going small with Diaw at power forward and Marion at the 3 (or vice versa). Think it might work with Marion at the 3 because he's a better shooter.

I guess Diaw at the point would be the head of their big lineup, but they won't be able to go really big.

I'm more inclined to think Diaw could be used in a press defense when matched with Bell at SG, JJax at SF, and Marion at PF.
 

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sly fly said:
I kind of understand JJ's desire to leave PHX, now.

I don't think it was motivated by money or his hatred for the organization.

It was just a young man who has has spent time away from "home", and simply wanted to go back and feel like the man.

Immature? Yes. But, how mature were you at 23?

He'll look back after a few seasons and probably start realizing the ramifications of his decision.

His family seems like a tight-knit group, he doesn't get into trouble, basketball and video games rule the kid's life... it's a shame for us fans to have to lose a player like this. Only thing we can do is wish him luck, and hope we got the better of the deal.

( I keep remembering back to the Suns promo commercial with JJ and Nash running wind sprints... and think damn, we lost a extremely dedicated athlete).

Excellent post sly fly!
 

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Mainstreet said:
I was reading on the Hawks forum and it was like the fans there didn't know anything about the kid. IMO, he night have been a better acquisition than JJ.
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you can not really mean that can you? A part time f/c for a 40 minute sg/pg/sf/pf/ type player that is the leading 3 point shooter in the NBA, (forget Hoiberg who shot about half as many shots to place first)
who backs up the point, scores 17 ppg and his scoring goes up because of the competition in the playoffs..............:eek:
 

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thegrahamcrackr said:
ZaZa is overrated. :p

How can you over-rate a 21 year old center who averaged 6.2 points a game and 5.1 rebounds a game average last year? Certainly he is not a better player than JJ right now, but IMO over the long run, he will be a quality FC in the league which is a rarity.

Bigs over smalls excepts for players like Michael Jordon. :)

I mentioned how ironic life is. Pachulia is a player I wanted for the Suns for a long time and now I have to hope he doesn't blossom in Atlanta so the Suns can get a better draft pick from them. Hopefully Atlanta will not develop his talent and somehow the Suns can acquire him via a trade later.

So I really have to hope my scouting on Pachulia, at least for the next 4 years, is inaccurate (that he is over-rated or does not develop as quickly as I project). I'm always a Suns fan first. :thumbup:

However, if I were Atlanta I would now invest some more dollars in a PG (not JJ) that can get the ball up and down the court quickly. Now if Atlanta can get a quality PG to go with Pachulia and JJ, they might surprise, especially with their wing players. I sure hope they don't develop like Chicago when the Suns had their draft pick.

Anyway these are might thoughts.

I really hate it when I have to root against myself. :(
 
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Mainstreet said:
How can you over-rate a 21 year old center who averaged 6.2 points a game and 5.1 rebounds a game average last year?

I dunno. I think if you said he's the best player in the NBA, you'd probably be overrating him.
 

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Don't you think there is a reason that the most Zaza could get is 4 million a year? That isn't even the full MLE, and he is a big man.
 

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Wasn't he an RFA, too? If the Bucks go, "Whoah, 4 million a year is a lot to pay for a young center," he can't be too incredible.
 

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fordronken said:
Wasn't he an RFA, too? If the Bucks go, "Whoah, 4 million a year is a lot to pay for a young center," he can't be too incredible.


Exactly. They decided Dan Gadzuric was better than Pachulia.

He is vastly overrated.
 

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