Jonathon Cooper

[jf-08]

If someone is totally in love with Tavon Austin, someone might want to come up.

I bet Red Desert wish he had mid-round 1st and (4) 2nd round picks to make that trade and get him under contract before prom.

 

[CardsFan88]

The difference for Cooper and Warmack to me is both are very good pulling guards. Cooper just is a bit quicker and more athletic, but Warmack is very good too, except he's a huge freight train. On the flip side he has the raw strength and power to not get pushed back.

He can still be coached up. I don't care how good his coaches were, that doesn't mean he fully absorbed it all. He's also 21, won't 22 until around week 1 of the season, so mentally and physically he can become even more imposing. Cooper is already 23, and would be 24 during the playoffs.

I too would rather trade down a few spots and take Cooper.

Don't get me wrong, I like the guy, and love the idea of getting a guard. My #1 area of concern for the team.

I just feel Warmack is the better choice. Higher floor and higher ceiling, plus ~ a year and 8 months younger.

I'd be happy if we got him. But I'd be happier if we traded down and got him. Be even happier if we got Warmack. Be happiest if somehow we traded down and still got Warmack (which I believe to be impossible unless we know Ten likes Cooper over Warmack). That said, I would simply take Warmack and not get too cute.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

The difference for Cooper and Warmack to me is both are very good pulling guards. Cooper just is a bit quicker and more athletic, but Warmack is very good too, except he's a huge freight train. On the flip side he has the raw strength and power to not get pushed back.

He can still be coached up. I don't care how good his coaches were, that doesn't mean he fully absorbed it all. He's also 21, won't 22 until around week 1 of the season, so mentally and physically he can become even more imposing. Cooper is already 23, and would be 24 during the playoffs.

I too would rather trade down a few spots and take Cooper.

Don't get me wrong, I like the guy, and love the idea of getting a guard. My #1 area of concern for the team.

I just feel Warmack is the better choice. Higher floor and higher ceiling, plus ~ a year and 8 months younger.

I'd be happy if we got him. But I'd be happier if we traded down and got him. Be even happier if we got Warmack. Be happiest if somehow we traded down and still got Warmack (which I believe to be impossible unless we know Ten likes Cooper over Warmack). That said, I would simply take Warmack and not get too cute.

+1

I like Warmack better as well. I think he is gone by the 7th pick.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

I would be happy with either one that fits our system the best.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

I love the idea of taking Cooper at #7 as a C

You'd honestly advocate taking a C at #7?

 

[ASUCHRIS]

They're right next to each other according to almost everyone who are doing the gradings.

Warmack is more powerful but not by a bunch. Cooper moves much better and is the overall better athlete. Warmack can be sloppy sometimes. He's relied on his strength advantage in college more than good technique. He got talked up because there wasn't really a whole lot out there that stood out. Mostly mid grade 1st Rounders overall.

My eyes tell me there is no way Warmack isn't a great player. Cooper? Meh. If we're taking Cooper at 7, I'd rather have Mingo.

 

[Finito]

The difference for Cooper and Warmack to me is both are very good pulling guards. Cooper just is a bit quicker and more athletic, but Warmack is very good too, except he's a huge freight train. On the flip side he has the raw strength and power to not get pushed back.

He can still be coached up. I don't care how good his coaches were, that doesn't mean he fully absorbed it all. He's also 21, won't 22 until around week 1 of the season, so mentally and physically he can become even more imposing. Cooper is already 23, and would be 24 during the playoffs.

I too would rather trade down a few spots and take Cooper.

Don't get me wrong, I like the guy, and love the idea of getting a guard. My #1 area of concern for the team.

I just feel Warmack is the better choice. Higher floor and higher ceiling, plus ~ a year and 8 months younger.

I'd be happy if we got him. But I'd be happier if we traded down and got him. Be even happier if we got Warmack. Be happiest if somehow we traded down and still got Warmack (which I believe to be impossible unless we know Ten likes Cooper over Warmack). That said, I would simply take Warmack and not get too cute.

I agree. Id love Warmack at 7 Cooper you could get if you traded down in my opinion. Don't over think this Warmack has been considered the best since day one

 

[JCSunsfan]

A bunch of draft candidates tested positive.

Maybe its a different kind of smoke screen.

 

[Broseph]

Cooper was also a wrestler in high school, he will know how to use his hands. I think he is very versatile. Won't hear any complaints out of me if we go Cooper at 7.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

On the ESPN Sportscenter mock yesterday, they had Somers make the pick and he chose Warmack.

 

[Totally_Red]

Jonathan Cooper is my 4th choice behind the three offensive tackles. I like him over any of the pass rushers in this draft. He's the best interior pass protector in this draft according to Mike Mayock and a day-one starter at either center or guard. Chance Warmack's stamina and injuries put him a hair behind Cooper IMO.

If the three tackles are gone and we don't trade back for Jarvis Jones, I hope he's the pick.

Don't [mis]underestimate how important it is to have an interior lineman who can hold up against nose tackles and 3-techniques without assistance. Jonathan Cooper would bring that ability to a Cardinals interior line that hasn't had it since Deuce Lutui IMO. Add that to his exceptional athleticism and ability to get to second and third-level defenders and you finally get an elite player for our O-line.

Another reason I like Cooper over Warmack is his intelligence. BA says he wants intelligent football players and Cooper meets that test. See this excerpt from a feature in todays' Charlotte News Observer.

Cooper finished his senior season as one of the most decorated lineman in school history. He earned his degree in Communications after spending every semester on the dean’s list, according to his father. And now Cooper is on the cusp of making the words he spoke 18 years ago become a reality.

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/04...y-rise-of-unc-all-american.html#storylink=cpy

 

[GuernseyCard]

Jonathan Cooper is my 4th choice behind the three offensive tackles. I like him over any of the pass rushers in this draft. He's the best interior pass protector in this draft according to Mike Mayock and a day-one starter at either center or guard. Chance Warmack's stamina and injuries put him a hair behind Cooper IMO.

If the three tackles are gone and we don't trade back for Jarvis Jones, I hope he's the pick.

Don't [mis]underestimate how important it is to have an interior lineman who can hold up against nose tackles and 3-techniques without assistance. Jonathan Cooper would bring that ability to a Cardinals interior line that hasn't had it since Deuce Lutui IMO. Add that to his exceptional athleticism and ability to get to second and third-level defenders and you finally get an elite player for our O-line.

So you are projecting Cooper as a right guard?

 

[Totally_Red]

So you are projecting Cooper as a right guard?

He can play any of the three interior line positions IMO.

 

[GuernseyCard]

He can play any of the three interior line positions IMO.

Probably, but I like him pulling from the left side, although he also seems ideal to take on the 3-technique one-on-one. Thiis latter responsibility, in passing, is why I haven't been too concerned about moving Potter or Massie to right guard.

 

[joeshmo]

You'd honestly advocate taking a C at #7?

I will use the same argument for those who ask the same question about taking a guard that high. And there are a lot who have asked.

"If he is going to be a multiple time pro bowler for the next 10 years who cares what position it is."

 

[joeshmo]

As for this news of Cooper over Warmack I have been saying it for weeks now, so have a ton of trusted prognosticators. Also if we want to trade down and still get him I don't think you can go any further down then San Diego's spot at 11. Both Titans and Chargers are definitely in the mix to scoop him up if we don't. So if Cooper is your target and you don't get any bites from a team picking at 8,9,10, or 11, then just take the kid.

 

[Chopper0080]

You'd honestly advocate taking a C at #7?

Yes. A couple reasons why.

Behind LT, I view C as the 2nd most important position on the offensive line. They set the protections, identify blitzers, and are responsible for transitioning double teams at point of attack to single blocks which allow OGs to shift to the second level. Vegas actually values C as the 2nd most important position when adjusting betting lines.

Cooper is exciting at C for a couple reasons as well.

Cooper has great athleticism. He can pull if needed. Cooper can reach on stretch blocks to prevent penetration on plays where the OG pulls. He has good enough feet to shift combo blocks to signle blocks which allows OGs to reach the 2nd level faster or disengage and pick up blitzers.

Cooper has good strength at OG, but great strength for an C. He plays with excellent leverage which gives him an edge vs. bigger DTs, great feet which allows him to use that leverage out of a snap, and a hand punch that is elite for C's.

How many times have we seen the middle of the line collapse because of a power DT? How many times have we seen our OG & C doubling a player because Sendlein can't handle him one on one which causes our OGs to miss blitzing LBs? How many times have we seen our inside run plays fail because of interior penetration? Cooper could solve all of these issues.

While I believe Cooper will eventually be a Pro Bowl OG, I totally believe that he could be one of the top 3 C's in the NFL after one season. You just don't see many C's in the league with his size and strength, and he seems to have the requisite quickness and intelligence.

 

[Chopper0080]

As for this news of Cooper over Warmack I have been saying it for weeks now, so have a ton of trusted prognosticators. Also if we want to trade down and still get him I don't think you can go any further down then San Diego's spot at 11. Both Titans and Chargers are definitely in the mix to scoop him up if we don't. So if Cooper is your target and you don't get any bites from a team picking at 8,9,10, or 11, then just take the kid.

I think if you really like Cooper, you take him at #7. I just don't see the reason you would risk missing on the guy you want for an extra 4th round pick which is all I believe teams would be willing to give up to move up only a couple extra spots.

 

[oaken1]

Yes. A couple reasons why.

Behind LT, I view C as the 2nd most important position on the offensive line. They set the protections, identify blitzers, and are responsible for transitioning double teams at point of attack to single blocks which allow OGs to shift to the second level. Vegas actually values C as the 2nd most important position when adjusting betting lines.

Cooper is exciting at C for a couple reasons as well.

Cooper has great athleticism. He can pull if needed. Cooper can reach on stretch blocks to prevent penetration on plays where the OG pulls. He has good enough feet to shift combo blocks to signle blocks which allows OGs to reach the 2nd level faster or disengage and pick up blitzers.

Cooper has good strength at OG, but great strength for an C. He plays with excellent leverage which gives him an edge vs. bigger DTs, great feet which allows him to use that leverage out of a snap, and a hand punch that is elite for C's.

How many times have we seen the middle of the line collapse because of a power DT? How many times have we seen our OG & C doubling a player because Sendlein can't handle him one on one which causes our OGs to miss blitzing LBs? How many times have we seen our inside run plays fail because of interior penetration? Cooper could solve all of these issues.

While I believe Cooper will eventually be a Pro Bowl OG, I totally believe that he could be one of the top 3 C's in the NFL after one season. You just don't see many C's in the league with his size and strength, and he seems to have the requisite quickness and intelligence.

many times over the years we have seen our QB have his foot stepped on during his drop because our interior line was being blown off the LOS....funny how most would be thrilled taking an LT with the #1 overall pick,...but shy away from the idea of taking a C or OG with the #7 pick

if the guy is elite, and you want/need him, you draft him where you are at because he will not make it to your next pick.......it really is that simple.

 

[Totally_Red]

Yes. A couple reasons why.

Behind LT, I view C as the 2nd most important position on the offensive line. They set the protections, identify blitzers, and are responsible for transitioning double teams at point of attack to single blocks which allow OGs to shift to the second level. Vegas actually values C as the 2nd most important position when adjusting betting lines.

Cooper is exciting at C for a couple reasons as well.

Cooper has great athleticism. He can pull if needed. Cooper can reach on stretch blocks to prevent penetration on plays where the OG pulls. He has good enough feet to shift combo blocks to signle blocks which allows OGs to reach the 2nd level faster or disengage and pick up blitzers.

Cooper has good strength at OG, but great strength for an C. He plays with excellent leverage which gives him an edge vs. bigger DTs, great feet which allows him to use that leverage out of a snap, and a hand punch that is elite for C's.

How many times have we seen the middle of the line collapse because of a power DT? How many times have we seen our OG & C doubling a player because Sendlein can't handle him one on one which causes our OGs to miss blitzing LBs? How many times have we seen our inside run plays fail because of interior penetration? Cooper could solve all of these issues.

While I believe Cooper will eventually be a Pro Bowl OG, I totally believe that he could be one of the top 3 C's in the NFL after one season. You just don't see many C's in the league with his size and strength, and he seems to have the requisite quickness and intelligence.

If he is the pick at #7, it will be interesting to see where he starts for the Cardinals. The beauty of his versatility is that he's a huge upgrade at either right guard OR center.

 

[Chopper0080]

If he is the pick at #7, it will be interesting to see where he starts for the Cardinals. The beauty of his versatility is that he's a huge upgrade at either right guard OR center.

I think we improve whether Cooper plays OG or C. Hell, even though I like Cooper, Warmack is still a great player and could be a better fit depending on the scheme.

In the end, if we take either Dion Jordan, Jonathan Cooper, Luke Joeckel, Eric Fisher, Chance Warmack, Lane Johnson or Barkevious Mingo, I will be very happy. 7 players I am good with and we draft #7. My anxiety is the idea that we take a player not listed. Can't see one I would like.

 

[Garthshort]

Warmack vs. Cooper, it's all a matter of scheme. And it seems that Cooper fits the Cards' scheme better.

 

[Totally_Red]

I think we improve whether Cooper plays OG or C. Hell, even though I like Cooper, Warmack is still a great player and could be a better fit depending on the scheme.

In the end, if we take either Dion Jordan, Jonathan Cooper, Luke Joeckel, Eric Fisher, Chance Warmack, Lane Johnson or Barkevious Mingo, I will be very happy. 7 players I am good with and we draft #7. My anxiety is the idea that we take a player not listed. Can't see one I would like.

Agreed! Either figures to be a day-one starter and a significant upgrade.

And if we end up with Jordan or Mingo, I'll be mildly disappointed, but also happy realizing that Mingo or Jordan will go a long way toward neutralizing Russel Wilson and Colin Kapernick and the read-option.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Man I hate taking a Guard that early in the first.

However it's the safest pick for the new front office. They need their first pick to be an immediate starter and Cooper or Warmack could be penciled in from day one. If we are stuck at 7 and the 3 OTs are gone and Jordan is gone then I think Cooper or Warmack is the pick.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Yes. A couple reasons why.

Behind LT, I view C as the 2nd most important position on the offensive line. They set the protections, identify blitzers, and are responsible for transitioning double teams at point of attack to single blocks which allow OGs to shift to the second level. Vegas actually values C as the 2nd most important position when adjusting betting lines.

Cooper is exciting at C for a couple reasons as well.

Cooper has great athleticism. He can pull if needed. Cooper can reach on stretch blocks to prevent penetration on plays where the OG pulls. He has good enough feet to shift combo blocks to signle blocks which allows OGs to reach the 2nd level faster or disengage and pick up blitzers.

Cooper has good strength at OG, but great strength for an C. He plays with excellent leverage which gives him an edge vs. bigger DTs, great feet which allows him to use that leverage out of a snap, and a hand punch that is elite for C's.

How many times have we seen the middle of the line collapse because of a power DT? How many times have we seen our OG & C doubling a player because Sendlein can't handle him one on one which causes our OGs to miss blitzing LBs? How many times have we seen our inside run plays fail because of interior penetration? Cooper could solve all of these issues.

While I believe Cooper will eventually be a Pro Bowl OG, I totally believe that he could be one of the top 3 C's in the NFL after one season. You just don't see many C's in the league with his size and strength, and he seems to have the requisite quickness and intelligence.

Fair enough. I can't imagine any guard having as much impact as Warmack, based purely on watching him in actual games. Maybe Cooper has better measurables, but Warmack is the first guard I can actually remember watching specifically because he is so dominant.

In general, I'm wary of drafting interior lineman in the top 10, because so many good OL'men have been drafted much later. Pass rushers, not so much.

Fisher/Johnson/Jordan/Warmack I'd be happy with at 7...just not feeling Cooper.