Josh Jackson Arrested

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I never once mentioned the word “overwhelmingly” yet you paint me as distrusting the police. Did you not actually read what I wrote??

So you just think the number of bad cops slightly outnumbers the good ones? I’m curious why you wouldn’t trust police officers.

 

[Chaplin]

So you just think the number of bad cops slightly outnumbers the good ones? I’m curious why you wouldn’t trust police officers.

What in the f are you talking about?? Where did I say I didn’t trust police officers? I simply pointed out the multitude of incidents that might provide a bit of doubt in the validity of the, “I trust cops 100%” opinion.

I didn’t even comment on whether I did or not.

 

[Hoop Head]

You get that liquor in you and the rest of the night is a coin flip

This I agree with but was he drunk? I hadn't heard that and would think they would have added some sort "public intoxication" type of charge if he was.

 

[sdscard4]

This I agree with but was he drunk? I hadn't heard that and would think they would have added some sort "public intoxication" type of charge if he was.

I'm sure he might of had some only reason I could see him doing the things he did. Maybe wasn't slobbering drunk but had some liquid courage in him

 

[gimpy]

You are the judge.
The policeman testifies that he got you speeding.

The defendant/suspect says that he wasn't speeding.

You're the judge . Who do you believe?

I know who I believe.

 

[Yuma]

You are the judge.
The policeman testifies that he got you speeding.

The defendant/suspect says that he wasn't speeding.

You're the judge . Who do you believe?

I know who I believe.

I had TWO policeman tell me I had to get a restraining order on a tenant. The judge did not believe me, OR the two policemen! I kid you not!

 

[Hoop Head]

You are the judge.
The policeman testifies that he got you speeding.

The defendant/suspect says that he wasn't speeding.

You're the judge . Who do you believe?

I know who I believe.

Their word isn't enough to prove anything. Where is the evidence? If the cop has none then the claim that you were speeding is not enough to find someone guilty. The burden of proof is on the state, not the accused.


Of course speeding is generally a civil matter but there are criminal speeding offenses. For the sake of this discussion I assume we're talking about the criminal variety.

 

[gimpy]

There is no physical evidence in court. The policeman says he paced, radared, stop watched you, or whatever to get your speed. No physical evidence produced in court. Only the officers testimony that he got you.

The suspect produces no physical evidence other than to say he wasn't speeding.

Happens all the time, right?

 

[Hoop Head]

There is no physical evidence in court. The policeman says he paced, radared, stop watched you, or whatever to get your speed. No physical evidence produced in court. Only the officers testimony that he got you.

The suspect produces no physical evidence other than to say he wasn't speeding.

Happens all the time, right?

Not very often because speeding tickets are civil matters, generally. If it were a criminal offense then the officer would need to produce some sort physical evidence otherwise there is no case and damn near any lawyer should be able to get the case dismissed. A suspect is innocent until proven guilty and a police officer's word is not sufficient evidence on it's own.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

What in the f are you talking about?? Where did I say I didn’t trust police officers? I simply pointed out the multitude of incidents that might provide a bit of doubt in the validity of the, “I trust cops 100%” opinion.

I didn’t even comment on whether I did or not.

So you, in general, trust police officers? I’m trying to get a gauge on you here. Lots of posters intimating they think the police might be at fault here and not JJ.

 

[Chaplin]

So you, in general, trust police officers? I’m trying to get a gauge on you here. Lots of posters intimating they think the police might be at fault here and not JJ.

Generally, yes, I trust police officers. I've never experienced any kind of bad behavior by a police officer, in fact, I've experienced pretty cool behavior (like letting me out of a speeding ticket because I had just moved from Arizona to California).

But you can't ignore the problems in other parts of the country. And that while someone may be a good, hell, a GREAT cop, when it comes to opinions on one of their own that might be a bad apple, they might stay silent to protect him, however bad that other cop might have behaved. It's a fine line.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Generally, yes, I trust police officers. I've never experienced any kind of bad behavior by a police officer, in fact, I've experienced pretty cool behavior (like letting me out of a speeding ticket because I had just moved from Arizona to California).

But you can't ignore the problems in other parts of the country. And that while someone may be a good, hell, a GREAT cop, when it comes to opinions on one of their own that might be a bad apple, they might stay silent to protect him, however bad that other cop might have behaved. It's a fine line.

how is this relevant to this conversation? I’m confused.

 

[Chaplin]

how is this relevant to this conversation? I’m confused.

You certainly are. We are talking about a general opinion put forth that said he trusts cops 100%. That's what he said.

Oh well, you're not going to get it if you haven't by now.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

You certainly are. We are talking about a general opinion put forth that said he trusts cops 100%. That's what he said.

Oh well, you're not going to get it if you haven't by now.

No, the bolded part. Is he a police officer? I don’t get the part of your comment that I bolded.

 

[BC867]

Generally, yes, I trust police officers. I've never experienced any kind of bad behavior by a police officer, in fact, I've experienced pretty cool behavior (like letting me out of a speeding ticket because I had just moved from Arizona to California).

But you can't ignore the problems in other parts of the country. And that while someone may be a good, hell, a GREAT cop, when it comes to opinions on one of their own that might be a bad apple, they might stay silent to protect him, however bad that other cop might have behaved. It's a fine line.

I don't want to keep harping on this but, to be fair, I am sure that people of color all over the country has different opinions about cops than the average caucasian population.

This is a specific situation and many of the generalizations that have been posted aren't representative.

That being said, because Jackson himself has done flaky things in the past and right up until recently, I can't be shocked when he is in another embarrassing situation.

Regarding him and his ongoing behavior, the League, the Suns and Suns fans have a right to expect proper action to be taken as the facts emerge.

 

[Chaplin]

I don't want to keep harping on this but, to be fair, I am sure that people of color all over the country has different opinions about cops than the average caucasian population.

This is a specific situation and many of the generalizations that have been posted aren't representative.

That being said, because Jackson himself has done flaky things in the past and right up until recently, I can't be shocked when he is in another embarrassing situation.

Regarding him and his ongoing behavior, the League, the Suns and Suns fans have a right to expect proper action to be taken as the facts emerge.

Absolutely. A bunch of white guys arguing about this has nearly ZERO real context.

 

[Superbone]

I understand black folks rightful mistrust of the police. But that doesn’t mean they are overwhelmingly untrustworthy. That’s a somewhat ridiculous statement.

Dude. Aren’t you the one that says words matter? That’s a ridiculous response from you. I was responding to “I would always believe a police officer over a suspect. Always.” White privilege is unknown to most caucasians as in understanding how much easier they have it than other races. It’s too bad that we can’t experience what it’s like to live in a different skin. I guarantee you that your perspective would change. And this is coming from a white man. I have been told some ridiculous stories about how some of my black friends have been treated by the police.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Wow quite an accusation. Remind me not to retain your services if I’m ever in trouble.

a) considering he does employee benefits and tax law, it would be pretty silly to call to retain Ouchie's services in the first place if you got in trouble! Brother not Ouchie's your man there.

b) you couldn't afford him anyway.

WOOF!

 

[Cheesebeef]

This I agree with but was he drunk? I hadn't heard that and would think they would have added some sort "public intoxication" type of charge if he was.

I don't know what happened here and not casting judgement either way on the cops or Jackson.

That said, just to the issue of booze, what's the likelihood that a bunch of dudes... with a lot of disposable income... in their early 20's... are out late at a club... and sober?

 

[Cheesebeef]

No, the bolded part. Is he a police officer? I don’t get the part of your comment that I bolded.

uh... dude... far be it from me to ever agree with Chap, but even I'm confused at what your confused about the bolded part above.

 

[Carolinacacti]

When a patrol man pulls you over. I believe they are trained to say you where swerving. They lie right out of the gate

 

[JCSunsfan]

Also. Was it even a cop that attempted the arrest? Aren’t the gatekeepers at these things usually bouncers of sorts.

Not sure any more speculation helps until more info comes out.

 

[GatorAZ]

When a patrol man pulls you over. I believe they are trained to say you where swerving. They lie right out of the gate

Someone is still bitter about getting a DUI.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Also. Was it even a cop that attempted the arrest? Aren’t the gatekeepers at these things usually bouncers of sorts.

Not sure any more speculation helps until more info comes out.

It’s not illegal to run away from a bouncer. He is being charged with “felony escape”

 

[Yuma]

It’s not illegal to run away from a bouncer. He is being charged with “felony escape”

Sometimes the laws are idiotic. The caveat is we don't know what happened. It sounds like he ran and was easily caught. To me that's a misdemeanor. If he ran and say the policeman was injured, killed, or he ran into a dangerous situation like oncoming traffic and caused accidents, then that rises to a felony to me. Just running from an officer doesn't necessarily make it a felony, imho. The law is what it is. Without knowing more, a felony seems a bit high from what was described. Also, officers have the discretion in what to charge. I have known guys that have cleared out a bar injuring five or six people in the process and are charged with one misdemeanor. Then I have seen people do stupid things like JJ and get charged with a felony, or multiple charges just because of the officer that responded to the call.