Josh Jackson

[Mainstreet]

Thing with Bledsoe is that his knees give out every other season. He's due next season around December to tear his left knee meniscus so then we would be back to just starting Ulis at PG again with Ronnie Price as backup.

This is why the Suns have to consider drafting a PG with their early pick. If the Suns draft a forward (like Jackson) they might look to draft another PG in the second round for insurance.

No way I think Ronnie Price is coming back.

 

[pokerface]

Like someone else said on another thread...PG is one of the easier positions to fill. I mean look at all the point guards in this draft...plus in the league in general. Heck the suns had so many pg's we even threw IT away like no big deal.

If Bledsoe's knees gave out it's not like we couldn't dig up a decent replacement IMO. We are the suns after all...The PG center of the universe!

 

[Finito]

God I'm just so tired of this revolving door of point guards the Suns have been trotting out there. Like it's been said they are easily replaceable. Just in recent years Dragic, Isiah Thomas and Bledsoe very easy to find.

Jackson is the clear choice in my opnion his ceiling is crazy

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Some of these assist are insane you can't teach stuff like that

 

[Cheesebeef]

God I'm just so tired of this revolving door of point guards the Suns have been trotting out there. Like it's been said they are easily replaceable. Just in recent years Dragic, Isiah Thomas and Bledsoe very easy to find.

I don't get it... yes, guys who lead you nowhere are easy to find. That's what we've had. Guys who are probably good enough to lead you to a .500 season if EVERYTHING breaks right. That's what Bledsoe, Dragic are and probably Thomas too if he was playing on a team in the West.

 

[Finito]

I don't get it... yes, guys who lead you nowhere are easy to find. That's what we've had. Guys who are probably good enough to lead you to a .500 season if EVERYTHING breaks right. That's what Bledsoe, Dragic are and probably Thomas too if he was playing on a team in the West.

Ok we've won what with KJ? Won what with Kidd? Won what with Marbury? Won what with Nash? Won what with Bledsoe? Won what with Dragic?

Oh that's right nothing and then a whole lot of nothing. Suns have been chasing point guards since I was a kid and it's gotten us nowhere.

What do Tim Duncan, Lebron James, Shaquile O'Niel and Kobe Bryant, Dirk, Dwayne Wade all have in common? They don't play point guard.

Now let's really look at some of those point guards on those championship teams. Derick Fisher, Tye Lue, Mario Chalmers, JJ Barerra.

Yeah Tony Parker yeah Kyrie but was Parker more important than Duncan and Manu? No was Kyrie more important than Lebron? No

Care to run down all the point guards for the 90s Bulls or Rockets?

It's by far the most replaceable position in basketball.

 

[pokerface]

Ok we've won what with KJ? Won what with Kidd? Won what with Marbury? Won what with Nash? Won what with Bledsoe? Won what with Dragic?

Oh that's right nothing and then a whole lot of nothing. Suns have been chasing point guards since I was a kid and it's gotten us nowhere.

What do Tim Duncan, Lebron James, Shaquile O'Niel and Kobe Bryant, Dirk, Dwayne Wade all have in common? They don't play point guard.

Now let's really look at some of those point guards on those championship teams. Derick Fisher, Tye Lue, Mario Chalmers, JJ Barerra.

Yeah Tony Parker yeah Kyrie but was Parker more important than Duncan and Manu? No was Kyrie more important than Lebron? No

Care to run down all the point guards for the 90s Bulls or Rockets?

It's by far the most replaceable position in basketball.

That's why we can afford to roll the dice with Bledsoe. Whether it's his knees or contract it's not a big deal because he's replaceable on some level.

 

[Cheesebeef]

God I'm just so tired of this revolving door of point guards the Suns have been trotting out there. Like it's been said they are easily replaceable. Just in recent years Dragic, Isiah Thomas and Bledsoe very easy to find.

I don't get it... yes, guys who lead you nowhere are easy to find. That's what we've had. Guys who are probably good enough to lead you to a .500 season if EVERYTHING breaks right. That's what Bledsoe, Dragic are and probably Thomas too if he was playing on a team in the West.

Ok we've won what with KJ?

We got to the WCFs 3 times and the Finals.

Won what with Kidd?

50 games every year and made the playoffs... something Dragic, Bledsoe and Thomas never did here.

Won what with Marbury?

nothing because he's in the same non-impact pg mode as Tragic, Bledsoe and Thomas.

Won what with Nash?

Multiple division titles, 3 times to the WCF.

Won what with Bledsoe? Won what with Dragic?

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING BECAUSE THOSE GUYS DON'T MOVE THE NEEDLE AS PG.

Oh that's right nothing and then a whole lot of nothing. Suns have been chasing point guards since I was a kid and it's gotten us nowhere.

When the Suns have had DOMINANT PGs, they've been TITLE CONTENDERS. KJ and Nash teams were title contenders almost every year (until Amare left anyway).

What do Tim Duncan, Lebron James, Shaquile O'Niel and Kobe Bryant, Dirk, Dwayne Wade all have in common? They don't play point guard.

That's great and all... and if there was a Duncan, James, Shaq, Kobe, Dirk or Wade in this draft, I'd be ALL FOR taking him... but THERE ISN'T SO WHAT'S YOUR POINT?

Now let's really look at some of those point guards on those championship teams. Derick Fisher, Tye Lue, Mario Chalmers, JJ Barerra.

Again, if there was a Shaq, LeBron or Dirk in this draft, you'd have a point. There isn't, so you don't.

Yeah Tony Parker yeah Kyrie but was Parker more important than Duncan and Manu? No was Kyrie more important than Lebron? No

Never said Parker or Kyrie were "more important" but you can bet your ass they were MAJOR reasons why those teams were so good year in year out.

Care to run down all the point guards for the 90s Bulls or Rockets?

It's by far the most replaceable position in basketball.

again, the above would be great and all and if there was a Jordan or Hakeem in this draft, you'd have a point, BUT THERE ISN'T AGAIN SO YOU DON'T AGAIN.

I mean, you're advocating for a SF as the no-brainer. Want to show me how many of THOSE are title winners? Or even guys you build teams around that contend year in, year out. And don't even try to compare Jackson to LeBron.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Ok we've won what with KJ? Won what with Kidd? Won what with Marbury? Won what with Nash? Won what with Bledsoe? Won what with Dragic?

Oh that's right nothing and then a whole lot of nothing. Suns have been chasing point guards since I was a kid and it's gotten us nowhere.

What do Tim Duncan, Lebron James, Shaquile O'Niel and Kobe Bryant, Dirk, Dwayne Wade all have in common? They don't play point guard.

Now let's really look at some of those point guards on those championship teams. Derick Fisher, Tye Lue, Mario Chalmers, JJ Barerra.

Yeah Tony Parker yeah Kyrie but was Parker more important than Duncan and Manu? No was Kyrie more important than Lebron? No

Care to run down all the point guards for the 90s Bulls or Rockets?

It's by far the most replaceable position in basketball.

If there were any Tim Duncan, Lebron James, Shaquile O'Niel and Kobe Bryant, Dirk, Dwayne Wade in this draft I'd say draft them but the best players in this draft are PGs. So they shouldn't draft the best player? Huh? That seems stupid.

 

[Errntknght]

Interesting use of the word 'commodity' some posts back.. a commodity means something that is readily available, like it's root word 'common'. It seems that what was intended was exactly the opposite, which is often called a 'rare commodity' - an oxymoron, of course, but widely used in spite of that.

I apologize for being a grammar nazi, but that kept me puzzled for sometime. I suppose I should be thrilled to observe a word acquiring a new meaning exactly the opposite of it's original (and lexical) meaning. It doesn't happen very often, even in English.

 

[Finito]

I don't get it... yes, guys who lead you nowhere are easy to find. That's what we've had. Guys who are probably good enough to lead you to a .500 season if EVERYTHING breaks right. That's what Bledsoe, Dragic are and probably Thomas too if he was playing on a team in the West.


We got to the WCFs 3 times and the Finals.



50 games every year and made the playoffs... something Dragic, Bledsoe and Thomas never did here.



nothing because he's in the same non-impact pg mode as Tragic, Bledsoe and Thomas.



Multiple division titles, 3 times to the WCF.



ABSOLUTELY NOTHING BECAUSE THOSE GUYS DON'T MOVE THE NEEDLE AS PG.



When the Suns have had DOMINANT PGs, they've been TITLE CONTENDERS. KJ and Nash teams were title contenders almost every year (until Amare left anyway).



That's great and all... and if there was a Duncan, James, Shaq, Kobe, Dirk or Wade in this draft, I'd be ALL FOR taking him... but THERE ISN'T SO WHAT'S YOUR POINT?



Again, if there was a Shaq, LeBron or Dirk in this draft, you'd have a point. There isn't, so you don't.



Never said Parker or Kyrie were "more important" but you can bet your ass they were MAJOR reasons why those teams were so good year in year out.



again, the above would be great and all and if there was a Jordan or Hakeem in this draft, you'd have a point, BUT THERE ISN'T AGAIN SO YOU DON'T AGAIN.

I mean, you're advocating for a SF as the no-brainer. Want to show me how many of THOSE are title winners? Or even guys you build teams around that contend year in, year out. And don't even try to compare Jackson to LeBron.

How many championships? Oh none. Oh ok next.

Nobody is comparing Jackson to Lebron or Duncan. The post was about how all these teams win championships with bum point guards.

We've had KJ, Kids and Nash 3 legit hall of fame caliber point guards and the best argument is uh...uh...uh we had a bunch of 50 win seasons with nothing to show for it. Save your moral victories.

 

[Yuma]

Yeah the nineties Bulls don't count because in the forth quarter Pippen or Jordan brought the ball up most of the time anyways!

 

[Yuma]

I have seen a couple mocks lately that have us picking #2 and taking Jackson with Ball going third to the Lakers.

 

[Yuma]

Watching that video, we get this guy, and Phoenix is the NEW Lob City!

 

[Covert Rain]

For me if you have two people you value equally it's a no brainer to go with a front court guy. Legit front court guys are much harder to find than PGs.

 

[pokerface]

For me if you have two people you value equally it's a no brainer to go with a front court guy. Legit front court guys are much harder to find than PGs.

I think you're right that the front court guy should get the nod... Especially a defensive one like Jackson. Plus he fits in the suns puzzle pretty darn good.

 

[pokerface]

Ok I ran into a friend and we were talking about the draft and he mentioned Jackson. We both agreed he'd be a good pick and then I said something about him being a small forward. He was like "no he's a shooting guard". I'm saying I'm pretty sure he a sf. Anyway, looked it up on nbadraft and it mentions him as sg/sf...Both. So is his natural position Small Forward?...I hope so!

 

[Yuma]

Two guys equal talent, etc. Pick the taller one!

 

[SirStefan32]

Eh, SG and SF tend to be similar positions. I do hope he puts on another 20-30lb though.

 

[Russ Smith]

Ok I ran into a friend and we were talking about the draft and he mentioned Jackson. We both agreed he'd be a good pick and then I said something about him being a small forward. He was like "no he's a shooting guard". I'm saying I'm pretty sure he a sf. Anyway, looked it up on nbadraft and it mentions him as sg/sf...Both. So is his natural position Small Forward?...I hope so!

He was a SG in HS and many recruited him as such. He came down to UA and Kansas both of whom talked about playing him at the 3 and the 4 because of their rosters. I don't think he shoots well enough now to play the 2 but he handles and passes well enough.

 

[leclerc]

What I like about Jackson is his motor. We sure could use that and hopefully it results in lots of off-season improvement after he makes the league.

 

[sunsfan88]

God I'm just so tired of this revolving door of point guards the Suns have been trotting out there. Like it's been said they are easily replaceable. Just in recent years Dragic, Isiah Thomas and Bledsoe very easy to find.

Jackson is the clear choice in my opnion his ceiling is crazy

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Some of these assist are insane you can't teach stuff like that

90% of that video is him throwing down dunks. Which is cool and all but I'm not impressed after seeing Jones Jr's dunking ability.

Other than being a better defender, I still don't see all that much of a difference between Jones Jr and Jackson.

 

[pokerface]

90% of that video is him throwing down dunks. Which is cool and all but I'm not impressed after seeing Jones Jr's dunking ability.

Other than being a better defender, I still don't see all that much of a difference between Jones Jr and Jackson.

And whats the difference between Fultz and Bledsoe?

 

[sunsfan88]

And whats the difference between Fultz and Bledsoe?

Better ball handling and much better shooter when comparing them both at Fultz current age.

Dennis Smith is more similar to Bledsoe.

 

[Finito]

90% of that video is him throwing down dunks. Which is cool and all but I'm not impressed after seeing Jones Jr's dunking ability.

Other than being a better defender, I still don't see all that much of a difference between Jones Jr and Jackson.

That's why I said look at the assist. They were incredible look at the way he plays the passing lanes.

 

[JCSunsfan]

And whats the difference between Fultz and Bledsoe?

Fultz is a better shooter, scorer, distributor, athlete, and maybe even defender, AND he is younger, does not have an injury history, will cost substantially less, and has more upside.

Just that.