Josh Jackson

[pokerface]

Fultz is a better shooter, scorer, distributor, athlete, and maybe even defender, AND he is younger, does not have an injury history, will cost substantially less, and has more upside.

Just that.

well since you put it that way....

 

[Mainstreet]

Josh Jackson's name is mentioned in FBI probe.

A Phoenix Suns player is mentioned in documents related to an ongoing federal investigation of the college basketball corruption scandal, which were obtained and reviewed by Yahoo Sports.

Josh Jackson's mother, Apple Jones, received $2,700 according to the report.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/spo...al-yahoo-names-josh-jackson-kansas/366549002/

 

[Mainstreet]

Here is another link to the story.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article201733964.html

 

[GatorAZ]

Josh Jackson's name is mentioned in FBI probe.


https://www.azcentral.com/story/spo...al-yahoo-names-josh-jackson-kansas/366549002/

The Suns should rule him ineligible to help the tank.

 

[leclerc]

Oh gosh, 3000 large ones. If Magic was our GM he'd pay out of his pocket. Who earns on college basketball? The poor workers? Don't look like it.

 

[Ronin]

Jeff Goodman
@GoodmanESPN

Josh Jackson's mother, Apples Jones, told ESPN she never received any money from Andy Miller or Christian Dawkins. "I have never met Andy Miller, and while we had a relationship with Christian, we never took anything from him."

 

[Hoop Head]

It's ridiculous that the FBI gets involved in situations like this. I can understand their involvement if games are being fixed but if a player gets a few bucks from someone for playing in college where is the harm in that? The coaches get paid, the refs get paid, the analysts get paid, even the person that is mopping up the court during breaks in action are getting paid. Why not let the players make a few bucks? The NCAA is exploiting college athletes and everyone is making money other than the players themselves. The higher ups who decide whether or not to pay college athletes know that if they did give anything to the players that it would be coming out of the pool of money that they're drawing funds from and they'd be seeing less money in the end.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

It's ridiculous that the FBI gets involved in situations like this. I can understand their involvement if games are being fixed but if a player gets a few bucks from someone for playing in college where is the harm in that? The coaches get paid, the refs get paid, the analysts get paid, even the person that is mopping up the court during breaks in action are getting paid. Why not let the players make a few bucks? The NCAA is exploiting college athletes and everyone is making money other than the players themselves. The higher ups who decide whether or not to pay college athletes know that if they did give anything to the players that it would be coming out of the pool of money that they're drawing funds from and they'd be seeing less money in the end.

What? A free ride through college isn’t equivalent to getting paid? Tell that to the people paying their way through college because they aren’t gifted athletes or that are still paying off their college loans 10 years after getting their degree.

 

[Hoop Head]

What? A free ride through college isn’t equivalent to getting paid? Tell that to the people paying their way through college because they aren’t gifted athletes or that are still paying off their college loans 10 years after getting their degree.

A scholarship is great but that doesn't change that the schools are making millions off of "student athletes". The NCAA makes billions every year off of TV contracts, merchandise, and gate revenue for sporting events. The actual attraction, the "student athletes", the people that others paying to see compete don't pocket a dime of that. A lot of those kids are only there for sports and they stay only as long as they have to in order to go pro so they can start getting paid because they have family that is counting on them. They can't go pro out of high school anymore so they're forced into a college program for 1 year and while they're making the school millions in revenue from the games they play they get 1 year of free school that they weren't interested in anyways. That 1 year of school costs the school how much in comparison to what they make off the athletes?

They work those athletes so much they don't have time to get part time jobs because athletics take up all of their time outside of a classroom. So what are they supposed to do to pocket a few bucks?

 

[JCSunsfan]

A scholarship is great but that doesn't change that the schools are making millions off of "student athletes". The NCAA makes billions every year off of TV contracts, merchandise, and gate revenue for sporting events. The actual attraction, the "student athletes", the people that others paying to see compete don't pocket a dime of that. A lot of those kids are only there for sports and they stay only as long as they have to in order to go pro so they can start getting paid because they have family that is counting on them. They can't go pro out of high school anymore so they're forced into a college program for 1 year and while they're making the school millions in revenue from the games they play they get 1 year of free school that they weren't interested in anyways. That 1 year of school costs the school how much in comparison to what they make off the athletes?

They work those athletes so much they don't have time to get part time jobs because athletics take up all of their time outside of a classroom. So what are they supposed to do to pocket a few bucks?

OK. I keep hearing this tired argument. College players who make it to the pros are making literally billions off of that college age exposure. Those who do not make it that far are getting a college education for free. I am now in the process of putting my fourth child through college and that would be worth a lot. There is no job any of my kids could get that could pay off every expense related to college while they are in it. The result of that college education is also billions for those athletes. EVERYONE is benefiting from this business.

It is the NBA that requires them to wait a year beyond high school to be eligible for the draft, not the NCAA. Those kids can also go play in Europe or in the G-League and get their exposure that way. I think many begin doing just that. Good grief, they can even just sit out a year like Mitchell Robinson. The gripe against the kids not being able to make money should be against the NBA, not the NCAA.

The son of one of my good friends is on a full basketball scholarship at Ohio State. Believe me, its a excellent deal for every one of them. The nit-pickiness of the rules is annoying, but that is because of all the coaches who game the system.

 

[Mainstreet]

My guess is the NCAA doesn't want to compete in the world of pro sports where players get paid. It's especially not a huge step for basketball players that want to enter the NBA. The NBA already has the G-Leagues.

If college players start getting paid, there is only a fine line that separates the colleges from the pros. A player could argue in court it is unfair for him to have to attend college as a job versus getting paid in a minor sports league.

The NBA could be forced to change their rules that require players to have to be 19 or complete one year of college.

Pro leagues would likely take a good percentage of the top athletes or they go directly to the NBA. It's a slippery slope.

 

[JCSunsfan]

My guess is the NCAA doesn't want to compete in the world of pro sports where players get paid. It's especially not a huge step for basketball players that want to enter the NBA. The NBA already has the G-Leagues.

If college players start getting paid, there is only a fine line that separates the colleges from the pros. A player could argue in court it is unfair for him to have to attend college as a job versus getting paid in a minor sports league.

The NBA could be forced to change their rules that require players to have to be 19 or complete one year of college.

Pro leagues would likely take a good percentage of the top athletes or they go directly to the NBA. It's a slippery slope.

They could get a incidentals stipend. Other scholarships include that. But, then college coaches will just find a way to push past that limit. No matter what the rules are, competitive people will cheat.

 

[Mainstreet]

They could get a incidentals stipend. Other scholarships include that. But, then college coaches will just find a way to push past that limit. No matter what the rules are, competitive people will cheat.

I do think this would lessen the pressure to cheat though although it would not eliminate it as you say.

Still it would be an improvement.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

No matter what the rules are, competitive people will cheat.

Plenty of competitive people don’t cheat. I don’t. My high school football coach didn’t. Neither did my college coach (div III).

 

[Cheesebeef]

Plenty of competitive people don’t cheat. I don’t. My high school football coach didn’t. Neither did my college coach (div III).

your high school football team wasn't all that competitive...

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

your high school football team wasn't all that competitive...

We were .500 in a tough division. And that doesn’t make the individual any less competitive.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Plenty of competitive people don’t cheat. I don’t. My high school football coach didn’t. Neither did my college coach (div III).

Yes. Of course. Not all of them. I should have been more clear.

 

[Cheesebeef]

We were .500 in a tough division. And that doesn’t make the individual any less competitive.

Hehe...

 

[BC867]

Hehe...

Now, now, brothers.

 

[elindholm]

No matter what the rules are, competitive people will cheat.

I have recently realized that this is a universal truth.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I have recently realized that this is a universal truth.

I already backed off of that.

 

[elindholm]

I already backed off of that.

I don't think you needed to. I'm competitive too, but there are certain things that are more important to me, like following rules and maintaining a sense of personal integrity. I'm competitive only within those limits. That means that, when push comes to shove, I will lose to someone who can match my talent level (whatever arena we are talking about) and dedication, and who will exceed my willingness to go beyond that.

Everyone used to talk about how competitive Michael Jordan was. It was celebrated as one of his strengths. But in fact, in his case, it meant he was willing to cheat to win. On the NBA court, it's not cheating if you get away with it. But one hush-hush report after another exposed Jordan as a cheater in pick-up games, cards, golf, you name it. Okay, so that's "competitive." We can say that it weakens Jordan's legacy, but the fact is that he probably would not have been as successful without having a drive to win that surpassed his drive to be honest or fair.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I don't think you needed to. I'm competitive too, but there are certain things that are more important to me, like following rules and maintaining a sense of personal integrity. I'm competitive only within those limits. That means that, when push comes to shove, I will lose to someone who can match my talent level (whatever arena we are talking about) and dedication, and who will exceed my willingness to go beyond that.

Everyone used to talk about how competitive Michael Jordan was. It was celebrated as one of his strengths. But in fact, in his case, it meant he was willing to cheat to win. On the NBA court, it's not cheating if you get away with it. But one hush-hush report after another exposed Jordan as a cheater in pick-up games, cards, golf, you name it. Okay, so that's "competitive." We can say that it weakens Jordan's legacy, but the fact is that he probably would not have been as successful without having a drive to win that surpassed his drive to be honest or fair.

I agree with all of this.

 

[Raindog]

One very interesting and positive thing that could come of the NCAA instituting some kind of nominal "pay for play" system would be that although there would still be programs that cheat the system, when those programs were caught doing it, the NCAA would be even more justified in throwing a very, very heavy book at the offenders... as in death penalty for the school and immediate ban for the coach and player.

Instituting a system like that would certainly remove any bit of sympathy for coaches or players who break the rules... no more "everybody does it" or "players deserve to be conpensated" excuses to excuse those who are corrupting the system.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Josh is becoming increasingly more consistent. He played in 10 games in Feb. 7 of those were high quality games where he averaged 20 points and 7 rebounds in roughly 30 minutes. He had one mediocre game with 13 points and 6 rebounds in 30 minutes and 2 bad games averaging 6.5 points and 5.5 rebounds in less than 30.

Having 7 out of 10 very good games is excellent for a rookie. He started out rough but he has turned it around quickly. To be honest, this is about how Devin Booker's rookie year went.

He had a better Feb than Jason Tatum, Kyle Kuzma, or Laurie Markkanen.