Josh Jones traded to the Houston Texans

[Garthshort]

Don't understand WE AREN'T TRYING TO BUILD. What am I missing?

 

[Chopper0080]

Nice comeback lol. Considering I’ve followed this franchise longer than most on this board, I’ve probably been right more times than the number of years you’ve been alive. One thing is certain, I will always give a new GM, or new HC the benefit of the doubt until it’s obvious that change is necessary. Unlike others that just want to bitch, just for the sake of bitching. Old man Bidwill was ill equipped to be an NFL owner, so it never surprised me that he was horrendous. Michael, although nowhere near as bad as his Dad, was still a poor owner. But, you have to credit him to some extent for FINALLY going outside the franchise to hire a GM & let that GM (who spent his entire career with SUCCESSFUL organizations) to at least attempt to build a franchise capable of creating sustainable success. We ALL knew that this process might be a painful one early on, but after decades of bandaids, it was a necessary process. So, after one mere offseason, we have to listen to individuals who just day after day after day, just want to bitch, bitch, bitch, and moan, moan, moan because they apparently know more than said newly hired GM and HC. In a year or two, I may agree it’s time to move on. But, until then, they DESERVE a fair shot at rebuilding this mess of an organization.

It is interesting that despite all of that history, you still give the person calling the shots the benefit of doubt. Yes, he is going a different direction, but that doesn't equate to the right direction because he is still the one driving.

A historic loser franchise that you have followed for longer than most on this board has a plan which is predicated on intentionally losing. And you are lapping it up. That is interesting to me.

 

[Chopper0080]

Don't understand WE AREN'T TRYING TO BUILD. What am I missing?

The greatest trick the Cardinals ever pulled was convincing their fans that winning doesn't exist.

 

[QuebecCard]

Josh Jones will play more snaps this season than Josh Dobbs

Translated: Murray gets back on the field, and the Texans have lost one of their starting tackles.

In both cases, good news for the CARDS.

 

[kerouac9]

The greatest trick the Cardinals ever pulled was convincing their fans that winning doesn't exist.

Many people here have decided that winning is actually bad.

 

[PJ1]

Still don’t get the timing. Jones having a good preseason. Teams sustaining injuries later will be more desperate. Why couldn’t they wait?

 

[CardNots]

Many people here have decided that winning is actually bad.

So now we reach the bullsh##t level…

 

[PACardsFan]

It is interesting that despite all of that history, you still give the person calling the shots the benefit of doubt. Yes, he is going a different direction, but that doesn't equate to the right direction because he is still the one driving.

A historic loser franchise that you have followed for longer than most on this board has a plan which is predicated on intentionally losing. And you are lapping it up. That is interesting to me.

No one has criticized the Bidwills over the years more than I have. Why? Because I have lived through it. It is with a ton of trepidation that I give him credit for finally going outside the organization with the MO hire. Does that mean that I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt? Not necessarily. My fear is that Michael won’t have the stones to endure the painful side of this process rebuild. My fear is that he’ll demand we go back to using bandaids and creating mediocrity as the best case scenario. He’s hired people that have been a part of successful organizations. He now needs to stay the course. Time will tell.

 

[Chopper0080]

Still don’t get the timing. Jones having a good preseason. Teams sustaining injuries later will be more desperate. Why couldn’t they wait?

This is my only issue with the Jones deal but as others have said, a 5th wasn't bad. But then in other threads a 5th rounder doesn't matter so...idk.

 

[Chopper0080]

No one has criticized the Bidwills over the years more than I have. Why? Because I have lived through it. It is with a ton of trepidation that I give him credit for finally going outside the organization with the MO hire. Does that mean that I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt? Not necessarily. My fear is that Michael won’t have the stones to endure the painful side of this process rebuild. My fear is that he’ll demand we go back to using bandaids and creating mediocrity as the best case scenario. He’s hired people that have been a part of successful organizations. He now needs to stay the course. Time will tell.

And again, despite all you have said, I find it amazing that you are buying this new and different strategy of intentionally losing by building a bad roster. (and you can feel how you want to feel, I am just amazed you have bought it)

 

[Krangodnzr]

I don't see the value. Peanuts.

The value is getting some compensation for a guy you aren't resigning. Draft picks are a gamble every time and to turn draft picks that weren't big hits into draft capital is a good move.

It was a pipe dream that the Cardinals could get anything more. Heck you can often get a good starter for a third round pick if you make wise trades.

 

[Stout]

Don't understand WE AREN'T TRYING TO BUILD. What am I missing?

If we're not trying to build, WTF are we trying to do? Because you can't do a rebuild without actually building.

 

[PACardsFan]

And again, despite all you have said, I find it amazing that you are buying this new and different strategy of intentionally losing by building a bad roster. (and you can feel how you want to feel, I am just amazed you have bought it)

And it’s amazing to me that you cannot understand that this is a roster in flux. A process is a SERIES of actions or steps taken in order to achieve a particular end. Those series of actions have just begun. They will emphasize the draft, they will emphasize certain positions early in the draft, and they want a roster where players will put team at the forefront, and lastly, they want players who are willing to learn what winning behaviors are & what losing behaviors are. And you can’t flip your roster to accomplish that overnight. Look, we both want the same thing. I’ve seen the bandaid approach for 60 years. Guess what. That doesn’t work. We haven’t played a single game yet, so I’m nowhere near throwing this new approach aside. MOJG are doing exactly what they said they would do. Time will tell.

 

[BritCard]

I don't see the value. Peanuts.

What do you think the career backup who can't play any position other than LT well, who couldn't beat out 34 year old Kelvin Beachum and only has 1 year left on his contract is worth?

Considering you have repeated shown you think Josh Jones was a JAG.

 

[GatorAZ]

The greatest trick the Cardinals ever pulled was convincing their fans that winning doesn't exist.

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[MadCardDisease]

Except we're not doing that...yet. Solid draft? We'll see, but at least we got good compensation for the future through trading back. The rest? We're not seeing a build yet. We're seeing a tear down, for sure--with Monti selling us short, in a lot of posters' eyes--but a tear down. We are not yet seeing a build up. You have faith he can execute the build. That's awesome, and I'm glad you can have that optimism. I'm not from Missouri, but Monti still needs to show me he's got the chops for this. I'm not enamored with him thus far.

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op·ti·mism
/ˈäptəˌmiz(ə)m/

noun

1. 
   hopefulness and confidence about the future or the successful outcome of something.
   "the talks had been amicable and there were grounds for optimism"
   
   
   
   
2. A feeling that Stout has never experienced.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

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That's perfect

 

[Harry]

Monti just traded a 5th rounder for Josh Dobbs, on an expiring deal, in a year they are trying to lose.

I win.

He should help them lose more if he plays. Horrible passer!

 

[Chopper0080]

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I am so happy you got the reference

 

[Stout]

What do you think the career backup who can't play any position other than LT well, who couldn't beat out 34 year old Kelvin Beachum and only has 1 year left on his contract is worth?

Considering you have repeated shown you think Josh Jones was a JAG.

If that's all he's worth, you keep him rather than thin out your already paper-thin depth on an already suspect line. If that's all he's worth, then he's worth more to you ON the roster.

 

[Stout]

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op·ti·mism
/ˈäptəˌmiz(ə)m/

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   hopefulness and confidence about the future or the successful outcome of something.
   "the talks had been amicable and there were grounds for optimism"
   
   
   
   
2. A feeling that Stout has never experienced.

That was a good one, man! Thanks, I needed that. Well said.

It's when I'm wildly optimistic that you have to be concerned/know the Titanic is about to hit the iceberg. I was going nuts with optimism on that big winning streak, then...yeah...That's what I get for my optimism lol

 

[kerouac9]

What do you think the career backup who can't play any position other than LT well, who couldn't beat out 34 year old Kelvin Beachum and only has 1 year left on his contract is worth?

Considering you have repeated shown you think Josh Jones was a JAG.

Wait... weren't you one of the guys saying that the Cards should trade DJ Humphries because Jones had arrived as a starting-caliber OT? Wasn't that like two months ago?

 

[DVontel]

Wait... weren't you one of the guys saying that the Cards should trade DJ Humphries because Jones had arrived as a starting-caliber OT? Wasn't that like two months ago?

Nah I don’t think that was him. I actually vaguely remember him saying to trade Josh while he still has value when Paris got drafted.

 

[BritCard]

If that's all he's worth, you keep him rather than thin out your already paper-thin depth on an already suspect line. If that's all he's worth, then he's worth more to you ON the roster.

But you said yourself this year is a write off. So why would you keep a backup in a bust year to let him walk for nothing when you can guarantee a 5th?

It makes no sense.

We have Beachum ahead of him. So 2 tackles would need to be hurt for Jones to start, in which case the season really is a write off.

 

[BritCard]

Wait... weren't you one of the guys saying that the Cards should trade DJ Humphries because Jones had arrived as a starting-caliber OT? Wasn't that like two months ago?

Yeah. It was. They are not the same argument.

Before they reworked Humps contract I would have moved him and rolled with the backup that showed decent enough play to cover that position in a year with no expectations and then moved Paris over next year. Shedding Humps expensive contract. I made a similar suggestion last season.

But Humps dead money now makes that less attractive and considering Beachum is on a 2 year deal and Jones can't swing he was surplus to requirements and it was absolutely right to move him.