Jurecki: Cards to target both QB Cousins and OG Norwell

[dreday]

Does anyone think AZ would be an easier sell to Cousins, if BA hadn't retired?

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With BA's style and limited protection for the QB? Nope.

 

[Solar7]

Does anyone think AZ would be an easier sell to Cousins, if BA hadn't retired?

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Actually, no. BA was very close to retirement anyways. I think one of the main appeals to the Vikings and Cardinals over the other suitors is that our front office and coaching staff aren't going anywhere anytime soon. Kirk can be comfortable in knowing that a year from now, he's not going to be proving himself to an entirely different regime that is bringing in an offense he doesn't want to learn.

 

[Arz101]

If I am reading reading tea leaves correctly, vikings and cousins are at a death stare.

1. It has emerged that Vikings are the favorites to land Cousins over the last fortnight. There is mutual interest there.
2. Enter March 12, 2 days before signing, Cousins in good bye letter puts jets ahead of vikings in letter tag
3. An hour latter word emerges that Vikings put a word out to Brees's agent Tom Condon
4. An hour later, Cousins camp sells the idea Cardinals are strongly in the mix by citing a strong family connection.

Vikings and Cousins are both waiting for the other to blink on asking price. In short, like Andy Reid, Cardinals are just fodder. They have little to no chance at Cousins

 

[overseascardfan]

If I am reading reading tea leaves correctly, vikings and cousins are at a death stare.

1. It has emerged that Vikings are the favorites to land Cousins over the last fortnight. There is mutual interest there.
2. Enter March 12, 2 days before signing, Cousins in good bye letter puts jets ahead of vikings in letter tag
3. An hour latter word emerges that Vikings put a word out to Brees's agent Tom Condon
4. An hour later, Cousins camp sells the idea Cardinals are strongly in the mix by citing a strong family connection.

Vikings and Cousins are both waiting for the other to blink on asking price. In short, like Andy Reid, Cardinals are just fodder. They have little to no chance at Cousins

Not quite sure money is the issue if it’s true ARZ is planning to make huge offer. It’s about who has the best chance of winning now IMO it’s MIN or DEN.

 

[AZ Native]

This is Arizona, not Alabama

Maybe they’re kissin’ Cousins.

 

[juza76]

So boring this free agency

 

[daves]

It’s about who has the best chance of winning now IMO it’s MIN or DEN.

Curious why many people seem to think that Denver would have a better chance of winning immediately with Cousins than Arizona?

...dbs

 

[Proximo]

Not quite sure money is the issue if it’s true ARZ is planning to make huge offer. It’s about who has the best chance of winning now IMO it’s MIN or DEN.

Denver is almost identical to us. I really don't think they are any more attractive of a destination than us.

Minnesota is clearly the best team looking for a qb, and it is not close.

 

[kerouac9]

Curious why many people seem to think that Denver would have a better chance of winning immediately with Cousins than Arizona?

...dbs

Demaryius Thomas and Emmanuel Sanders are a good start. The Broncos can add a back or two in the draft and give themselves 80% of the production of David Johnson.

 

[CardsFan88]

Curious why many people seem to think that Denver would have a better chance of winning immediately with Cousins than Arizona?

...dbs

Denver has issues. Thomas and Sanders are both *rumored* to be on the way out. Rumor out today that Anderson is on the trading block.

https://www.milehighreport.com/2018/1/13/16887210/broncos-demaryius-thomas-contract

According to The Denver Channel’s Troy Renck, wide receiver Demaryius Thomas has a wrinkle in his contract where he could end up being a free agent this offseason.

Thomas’ contract contains a $4 million option bonus due by the last day of the league year on March 14. If the Broncos decline to exercise it, the final two seasons of Thomas’ contracts are voided, making him a free agent. The dead money makes this interesting. It would be $4.4 million less a $1.33 million cap charge already absorbed for one-third of the bonus.

Translation: the dead cap money would be $3.07 million.

Elway has said they're coming back, but there was a lot of talk about it, and in his comments he isn't too happy

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...ncludes-wrs-demaryius-thomas-emmanuel-sanders

"We want to have them come back and play the way they're capable of,'' Elway said. "They still have a lot of football and still (are) a top receiving pair in the league, so we have got high expectations, but they've got to come back and play a lot better.''

This also could be GM talk not to scare off Cousins a couple of weeks ago.

They also have a coach that is on the hot seat and easily could of been fired this year.

Elway also turns on people quickly. Whether it's coaches or players. He's done a bunch of 180's since he's got the job.

 

[daves]

Demaryius Thomas and Emmanuel Sanders are a good start. The Broncos can add a back or two in the draft and give themselves 80% of the production of David Johnson.

They had those guys last year and were 5-11. Meanwhile, relative to last year, the Cardinals will be "adding" a guy with 100% of the production of David Johnson.

...dbs

 

[Jetstream Green]

Denver is almost identical to us. I really don't think they are any more attractive of a destination than us.

Minnesota is clearly the best team looking for a qb, and it is not close.

Minnesota is also in a division with Green Bay which had their share of injuries like us and will be a lot stronger this season. The Lions have enough talent to throw a nice monkey wrench into the NFC North. It's not just about what you think the roster looks like, it's what it looks like in relation to your division. Even with that, only the Patriots with Tom Brady seem to have any consistency year to year... which again one must consider, the NFC version of him will be under center for Green Bay and one must discount double check the Vikings doing that well again

 

[oaken1]

Curious why many people seem to think that Denver would have a better chance of winning immediately with Cousins than Arizona?

...dbs

solid defense, good running game (draw)...a pair of experienced vet WR's...(Denver wins) History of going to and winning super bowls...(again Denver wins)



oh yeah, and when the CBA is renegotiated in a couple years...and the owners remove weed testing,.... smoking is legal in colorado

 

[kerouac9]

Denver has issues. Thomas and Sanders are both *rumored* to be on the way out. Rumor out today that Anderson is on the trading block.

The new league year begins — and that bonus is paid — in two days. So... You're gonna have to provide a fresher link if you're gonna make me a believer.

 

[oaken1]

Minnesota is also in a division with Green Bay which had their share of injuries like us and will be a lot stronger this season. The Lions have enough talent to throw a nice monkey wrench into the NFC North. It's not just about what you think the roster looks like, it's what it looks like in relation to your division. Even with that, only the Patriots with Tom Brady seem to have any consistency year to year... which again one must consider, the NFC version of him will be under center for Green Bay and one must discount double check the Vikings doing that well again

True. Denver looks to be the team with the easiest route to a divisional title and a playoff berth.

 

[AZfaninMN]

solid defense, good running game (draw)...a pair of experienced vet WR's...(Denver wins) History of going to and winning super bowls...(again Denver wins)

They just lost one of their key members of the “no fly zone.” Both WRs mentioned aren’t guaranteed money after next season, so who knows what will happen to them when their cap hits are around $30m combined(info from over the cap). Lastly, and as crazy as it seems, their oline was just as bad as ours, but I’m not sure if injuries hit them hard or not. I’d say we’re slightly better just because we went 8-8 while they went 5-11

 

[CardsFan88]

The new league year begins — and that bonus is paid — in two days. So... You're gonna have to provide a fresher link if you're gonna make me a believer.

A believer? Huh? That doesn't make much sense.

What I said was, there have been tons of articles talking about them on the way out, I just posted a couple.

Take that with Elway's 180's and there's reason to believe they might be gone sooner or later. 2018 might be it for one or both of them.

It's not something to 'believe' in. It's something to make a free agent take pause, yes.

 

[kerouac9]

They had those guys last year and were 5-11. Meanwhile, relative to last year, the Cardinals will be "adding" a guy with 100% of the production of David Johnson.

...dbs

Because their quarterbacks were Trevor Simian, Paxton Lynch and Brock Osweiler. For 16 games. Denver's offense was right behind ours in DVOA. Their defense was 10th and ours was 4th, which isn't nothing.

I'd guess that Denver can make an argument that Cousins is the difference between a deep playoff run and 5-11.

Two years ago, we had David Johnson and Carson Palmer and went 7-8-1. Is Cousins gonna be much better than Carson Palmer this year?

 

[kerouac9]

A believer? Huh? That doesn't make much sense.

What I said was, there have been tons of articles talking about them on the way out, I just posted a couple.

Take that with Elway's 180's and there's reason to believe they might be gone sooner or later. 2018 might be it for one or both of them.

It's not something to 'believe' in. It's something to make a free agent take pause, yes.

Ones from January. Nothing on their contract status since then.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Two years ago, we had David Johnson and Carson Palmer and went 7-8-1. Is Cousins gonna be much better than Carson Palmer this year?

Yes.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Because their quarterbacks were Trevor Simian, Paxton Lynch and Brock Osweiler. For 16 games. Denver's offense was right behind ours in DVOA. Their defense was 10th and ours was 4th, which isn't nothing.

I'd guess that Denver can make an argument that Cousins is the difference between a deep playoff run and 5-11.

Two years ago, we had David Johnson and Carson Palmer and went 7-8-1. Is Cousins gonna be much better than Carson Palmer this year?

Remove from the injuries, Palmer had way more talent than Cousins too. I think when all is said and done, Palmer will be remember as a better QB than Cousins, as Brees is a way better QB than Palmer was. All three are starters but the drops offs are there in my opinion... I think Brees would have a similar effect on the Cardinals as Warner did

 

[CardsFan88]

Ones from January. Nothing on their contract status since then.

I get what you're saying. Nothing new or imminent. But enough is out there to question it in January and February. Always a chance Cousins might smell bs out of Elway. (llinks also from jan/feb)

But it also shows some about Sanders situation.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...nuel-sanders-demaryius-thomas-this-offseason/

https://www.denverpost.com/2018/01/...ons-demaryius-thomas-aqib-talib-c-j-anderson/

https://www.milehighreport.com/2018...manuel-sanders-is-good-as-gone-this-offseason

http://www.westword.com/news/emmanu...laim-doesnt-net-grand-jury-indictment-9899096


Also here's the link of the C.J. Anderson article from today

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...will-listen-to-trade-offers-for-c-j-anderson/


Until the date passes, its up in the air. Lots of guys are going to get cut or traded between now and then. Their mood may change if they don't think they are getting Cousins (though it seems they have resigned themselves for McCarron/Keenum and/or one in the draft).

But what happens if they can't land plan B or C?

It may not be a bunch of smoke, but there is some. Even then Elway recently only said 'the plan is' and plans can go sideways.

As I said, Elway has done a bunch of 180's, I wouldn't trust a thing out of his mouth unless it's him ripping someone.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Because their quarterbacks were Trevor Simian, Paxton Lynch and Brock Osweiler. For 16 games. Denver's offense was right behind ours in DVOA. Their defense was 10th and ours was 4th, which isn't nothing.

I'd guess that Denver can make an argument that Cousins is the difference between a deep playoff run and 5-11.

Two years ago, we had David Johnson and Carson Palmer and went 7-8-1. Is Cousins gonna be much better than Carson Palmer this year?

Well, both Carson and Cousins would have piloted the Cards to 10 wins with better special teams play .

 

[juza76]

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[Jetstream Green]

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Uses the word 'hearing' to cite a source... well, whatever Art