KC Star: Deal in Place to Trade Alex Smith to Washington

[DevonCardsFan]

It's all hearsay at this point, but both Houston and KC traded up from the mid 20's to grab their QB's. AZ was in a prime position to trade into the top 10 to guarantee a QB, but Keim lacks any conviction when it comes to QB's. Instead, he stayed pat hoping for a miracle, and when that miracle passed...he selected a position-less LB. His credibility is wearing thin...to say the least.

No, he had Reddick above Watson and Mahomes on the board; he said they had Reddick at some stupid number I think 3 or 4 on the board. Keim falls in love with drafting players playing positions they are new too. He wasn't waiting on Watson to drop. He was thirsty for a ILB most of thought wasn't even the best ILB at the time of the pick. Cards we're targeting Buchanon when most thought it should be Carr and Targeting Reddick when alot of people wanted Watson; Mahommes and Foster, the opportunities were there. Keim likes to get cute during the draft and it's leaving the cupboard empty for the Cards.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

Here is the Reason there is no QB of the future
That's why I wish the the other half of BASK left as well

Bruce Arians: Haason Reddick was better than any QB on draft board http://es.pn/2psc5nm
via @ESPN App http://es.pn/app

 

[TRW]

yeah..it suxx. I have a different opinion on Leinart then some... but it is safe to say that changing coaches when we did, didnt really help the guy out any...and injuries suck.

I like Darnold and would be thrilled if he fell to us. The kid was on Players Only last night on NFLN at the SB... he said a few things that surprised me a bit... the dude is pretty humble but his confidence is insanely high. He mentioned he studies Tom Brady...how he prepares and how he trains..."because he is the best in the game and he is the only one to ever do what he has done...so far".... those last two little words say an awful lot about what Sam Darnold expects from himself and his NFL career..... I hope he achieves it... even more so I hope its with the redbirds, lol.

I hear ya. I was speaking a bit tongue in cheek but not really sarcasm. Just been a fan for 50+ years LOL

 

[GimmedaBall]

Here is the Reason there is no QB of the future
That's why I wish the the other half of BASK left as well

Bruce Arians: Haason Reddick was better than any QB on draft board http://es.pn/2psc5nm
via @ESPN App http://es.pn/app

The organizational chart established by MB has SK in charge of the draft . . . note that BA didn't say that he personally had Reddick rated higher than any QB. Instead, he referred back to the SK's draft board that had Reddick above any QB. BA toed the line in regards to the Org Chart that was established when he was hired to be head coach.

There's variation around that management model with some guys demanding to not just be the head coach but in charge of everything including the draft. Other teams use the separation of duties used by the Cards with the GM handling the draft, contracts, signings and the HC taking care of business on the field.

I'm not aware of a single time that SK stepped forward and stated that he wanted a given player to start or to sit. It looks as if SK stayed true to the Org Chart as well.

Right or wrong, SK will be the one held accountable for the decisions on the draft since that is one of his primary responsibilities. If BA was in charge of the draft we may well have a QBOTF . . . or we may have an empty draft pick pantry and a string of QB busts.

Assigning 'blame' may be harsh but it is the reality when things within your realm of responsibility don't pan out.

 

[TJ]

Here is the Reason there is no QB of the future
That's why I wish the the other half of BASK left as well

Bruce Arians: Haason Reddick was better than any QB on draft board http://es.pn/2psc5nm
via @ESPN App http://es.pn/app

Arians is as honest as Donald Trump.

What is he supposed to do? Say, "yeah, we wanted Deshawn Watson, but we settled for Reddick." That would go over like a fart in church for the player, team, and fans.

 

[Southpaw]

There is no pleasing most of the crowd here.

Yup. Those are called opinions and debate.

 

[WildBB]

Arians is as honest as Donald Trump.

What is he supposed to do? Say, "yeah, we wanted Deshawn Watson, but we settled for Reddick." That would go over like a fart in church for the player, team, and fans.

Arians was also pretty sure that unless he got them FAR into the playoffs he wasn't going to get another deal (presuming he even wanted one). He didn't want someone sitting and learning last year. It was his swan song. They needed immediate help in a few spots.It's always an issue in the early rounds. Same will always be true pretty much.

That's why this is their best shot NOW drafting their QBOF.

 

[oaken1]

The organizational chart established by MB has SK in charge of the draft . . . note that BA didn't say that he personally had Reddick rated higher than any QB. Instead, he referred back to the SK's draft board that had Reddick above any QB. BA toed the line in regards to the Org Chart that was established when he was hired to be head coach.

There's variation around that management model with some guys demanding to not just be the head coach but in charge of everything including the draft. Other teams use the separation of duties used by the Cards with the GM handling the draft, contracts, signings and the HC taking care of business on the field.

I'm not aware of a single time that SK stepped forward and stated that he wanted a given player to start or to sit. It looks as if SK stayed true to the Org Chart as well.

Right or wrong, SK will be the one held accountable for the decisions on the draft since that is one of his primary responsibilities. If BA was in charge of the draft we may well have a QBOTF . . . or we may have an empty draft pick pantry and a string of QB busts.

Assigning 'blame' may be harsh but it is the reality when things within your realm of responsibility don't pan out.

I think we witnessed some blowback on that when most of our first round picks ended up sitting out their rookie years because "They aint ready to play"... a coach stating a first round pick isnt ready after a full camp and pre season is a condemnation of the draft choice...IMO of course. I can see it happening occasionally... but not consistently

 

[cardncubfan]

No, he had Reddick above Watson and Mahomes on the board; he said they had Reddick at some stupid number I think 3 or 4 on the board. Keim falls in love with drafting players playing positions they are new too. He wasn't waiting on Watson to drop. He was thirsty for a ILB most of thought wasn't even the best ILB at the time of the pick. Cards we're targeting Buchanon when most thought it should be Carr and Targeting Reddick when alot of people wanted Watson; Mahommes and Foster, the opportunities were there. Keim likes to get cute during the draft and it's leaving the cupboard empty for the Cards.

Link? From what I remember reading was they tried to trade up. It does take two to make the trade. I haven't read anywhere that they had Reddick rated higher on their board than Mahomes or Watson.

 

[cardncubfan]

Here is the Reason there is no QB of the future
That's why I wish the the other half of BASK left as well

Bruce Arians: Haason Reddick was better than any QB on draft board http://es.pn/2psc5nm
via @ESPN App http://es.pn/app

Any articles with Keim saying the same? I know BA is a big bullshitter when it comes to the draft so I take what he says here with a grain of salt.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

Link? From what I remember reading was they tried to trade up. It does take two to make the trade. I haven't read anywhere that they had Reddick rated higher on their board than Mahomes or Watson.

The link was under this post; I can find the exact number on the board he was at as well; it was said several times

http://www.espn.com/blog/arizona-ca...reddick-was-better-than-any-qb-on-draft-board

 

[Cheesebeef]

Arians was also pretty sure that unless he got them FAR into the playoffs he wasn't going to get another deal (presuming he even wanted one). He didn't want someone sitting and learning last year. It was his swan song. They needed immediate help in a few spots.It's always an issue in the early rounds. Same will always be true pretty much.

That's why this is their best shot NOW drafting their QBOF.

BINGO! Fresh start. HC gets at least a two year window before seat gets hot... unless they're just a train wreck for his first couple years.

 

[Solar7]

The funny thing is that last year everyone on this board was clamoring that we needed to wait until this year because all of the QBs would be better, and I was saying we should try to get Mahomes, Watson, or Trubisky, even if we had to move up a little.

Now the situations are reversed and I don’t want to move up while everyone else does.

 

[oaken1]

The funny thing is that last year everyone on this board was clamoring that we needed to wait until this year because all of the QBs would be better, and I was saying we should try to get Mahomes, Watson, or Trubisky, even if we had to move up a little.

Now the situations are reversed and I don’t want to move up while everyone else does.

last year lots of folks were claiming that by now, this draft would be down to one or two good QB's... that they always say next year is better then disect the crap out of everybody until there is only one or two guys.
but guess what?? There are still six guys. This is an excellent QB class.

of course... three years from now they could all be working the drive thru at taco charlies and then maybe it wasnt so great a class.... poo happens.

of course.. three years from now Watson, Mahommes, and Trubisky could be selling used cars too... but it sure looks good for them right now.

Watson was pimping one of these guys last night on Players Only... didnt hear which guy but I am guessing either Mayfield or Jackson. He said, "Love that guy. He do it just like I do, somebody gonna get a great QB"...

I loved Watson at this point last year but I got a little scared off when his passing velocity came out... so far it hasnt hurt him, but he wasnt horribly low... just a tad lower than any successful QB's... some of these dudes this year got cannons... be interesting to see how their pass velocity shows up at the combine.

 

[Solar7]

last year lots of folks were claiming that by now, this draft would be down to one or two good QB's... that they always say next year is better then disect the crap out of everybody until there is only one or two guys.
but guess what?? There are still six guys. This is an excellent QB class.

of course... three years from now they could all be working the drive thru at taco charlies and then maybe it wasnt so great a class.... **** happens.

of course.. three years from now Watson, Mahommes, and Trubisky could be selling used cars too... but it sure looks good for them right now.

Watson was pimping one of these guys last night on Players Only... didnt hear which guy but I am guessing either Mayfield or Jackson. He said, "Love that guy. He do it just like I do, somebody gonna get a great QB"...

I loved Watson at this point last year but I got a little scared off when his passing velocity came out... so far it hasnt hurt him, but he wasnt horribly low... just a tad lower than any successful QB's... some of these dudes this year got cannons... be interesting to see how their pass velocity shows up at the combine.

We haven’t even gotten to the Combine yet. The dissection is on its way. Mayfield will come in too short, or have tiny hands, or his alcohol issues will come to light in interviews (just using this as a possible example). Lauletta is already rising thanks to the Senior Bowl. These guys are going to shake out, but there’s a long time to go.

 

[Chopper0080]

The tough part about the Keim evaluation is that it started out looking really good, and now has settled somewhere in the middle.

Keim has hot on middle round picks...missed on high ones.

Keim has hit value on vet FAs on one year deals, but has not had a big free agent signing whom has paid off.

Keim has done well in trades. Palmer and Chandler Jones were pretty good deals. I am critical of the Peterson trade, but his success far outweighs his failure in that category.

Keim has done pretty well in keeping the Cardinals out of bad salaries, but has misplayed a couple situations. The Mathieu contract was risky from the start, and now puts the team in a tough spot. Waiting on Calais was a risk, and ended up causing the Cards to lose him. Gresham's contract looks bad as well. That being said, he made market value deals for Jones and Peterson which was huge. Very few of the players that Keim has let leave have done well in other spots.

Keim is just average, which isn't great, but isn't terrible.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

When the Cards drafted, Reddick probably was rated better than any QB on the board. Mahomes, Trubisky, and Watson were all gone by time the Cards picked.

 

[GimmedaBall]

The tough part about the Keim evaluation is that it started out looking really good, and now has settled somewhere in the middle.

Keim has hot on middle round picks...missed on high ones.

Keim has hit value on vet FAs on one year deals, but has not had a big free agent signing whom has paid off.

Keim has done well in trades. Palmer and Chandler Jones were pretty good deals. I am critical of the Peterson trade, but his success far outweighs his failure in that category.

Keim has done pretty well in keeping the Cardinals out of bad salaries, but has misplayed a couple situations. The Mathieu contract was risky from the start, and now puts the team in a tough spot. Waiting on Calais was a risk, and ended up causing the Cards to lose him. Gresham's contract looks bad as well. That being said, he made market value deals for Jones and Peterson which was huge. Very few of the players that Keim has let leave have done well in other spots.

Keim is just average, which isn't great, but isn't terrible.

Pretty fair summary of the situation. The average person---and GM---is about average.

 

[GimmedaBall]

When the Cards drafted, Reddick probably was rated better than any QB on the board. Mahomes, Trubisky, and Watson were all gone by time the Cards picked.

Technically correct but . . .

The link provided by DevonCardsFan had this statement:

Two weeks after the Cardinals made Reddick the No. 13 overall pick, coach Bruce Arians told ESPN that it wouldn't have mattered if any or all of the top quarterback prospects were still on the board as long as Reddick was still available.

 

[GimmedaBall]

Arians is as honest as Donald Trump.

What is he supposed to do? Say, "yeah, we wanted Deshawn Watson, but we settled for Reddick." That would go over like a fart in church for the player, team, and fans.

You mean you're not supposed to fart in church???

I guess all those people shouting out "OH LORD!" were not in holy rapture after my rolling thunder response to the sermon.

 

[GimmedaBall]

Palmer retired one year early leaving BA to decide if he wanted to hang around for a year without a starting vet QB. Palmer probably had enough broken bones to last him a lifetime and walked away from his final contract year.

Believe the master plan was to get that QBOTF in this draft and let him sit with Palmer and Firz both under contract and giving it one last go---as soon as the season was hopeless we would have seen our rook QB.

Palmer's earlier than expected retirement settled the deal for BA with SK left holding the QB-empty bag.

 

[oaken1]

Palmer retired one year early leaving BA to decide if he wanted to hang around for a year without a starting vet QB. Palmer probably had enough broken bones to last him a lifetime and walked away from his final contract year.

Believe the master plan was to get that QBOTF in this draft and let him sit with Palmer and Firz both under contract and giving it one last go---as soon as the season was hopeless we would have seen our rook QB.

Palmer's earlier than expected retirement settled the deal for BA with SK left holding the QB-empty bag.

our salary cap points to that plan as well...we had around 20mil this year and over 100mil next year... they wanted to build around the rook I would guess.

 

[Stout]

The funny thing is that last year everyone on this board was clamoring that we needed to wait until this year because all of the QBs would be better, and I was saying we should try to get Mahomes, Watson, or Trubisky, even if we had to move up a little.

Now the situations are reversed and I don’t want to move up while everyone else does.

It riles me, it really does. Every year people say NEXT season is the year to get a QBOF. I've been banging that drum for years.

 

[Southpaw]

When the Cards drafted, Reddick probably was rated better than any QB on the board. Mahomes, Trubisky, and Watson were all gone by time the Cards picked.

and none of them were good enough for the Browns.