Keep Nash or trade Nash?

What would you like the Phoenix Suns to do?


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slinslin

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This is better

Jameer Nelson to the Lakers for TPE and 2012 pick either Mavs or Lakers

Daniel Orton, Orlando 2012 and 2014, Lakers 2012 pick and TPE to Phoenix

Steve Nash to Orlando for Nelson, Orton, 2012 and 2014 pick
 

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Basically it is Nash for Nelson and two first round picks, they key being 2014 unprotected which has a chance of Orlando sucking.

Then flip Nelson to the Lakers for their TPE.
 

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That's not a bad deal, but I really don't have any interest in Reddick, who is exactly the kind of player that the Suns are trying to move away from -- undersized, one-dimensional, and soft. I'd rather take back Jason Richardson. He's been a big disappointment this year and it wouldn't surprise me if Orlando has some buyer's remorse after re-upping with him this summer. Would Richardson be any better back in Phoenix, no, probably not, but he'd at least have decent resale value if his scoring picked back up (with more touches). And with Frye's contract moving out, the Suns could take back Richardson without changing their cap space situation. They'd still have room for one max FA, which is plenty, because there's no way in hell they're getting two anyway.

It's a big gamble for Orlando, because if Howard walks, then they've given up Anderson and a pick for Frye, for basically no reason. But I like it for the Suns, because now you have four decent players moving forward with Gortat/Anderson/Morris/Dudley -- well, plus Richardson, really, who even in his current condition is vastly better than any SG on the Suns' current roster -- plus two picks this summer, plus a lot of cap space ... it could be worse.

Reddick is only partially guaranteed next year.

Dumping Frye and Childress for Reddick, Anderson and Orton while swapping Nash for Nelson and dealing Nelson or Reddick for a TPE to some team could clear a lot of money.

The question is what would we do with it, seems unlikely we can make much use of our capspace anyway.

I'd rather target a 2014 unprotected Magic pick because the Magic could suck soon.
 

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Orlando's the best place to try and do this... there's NOTHING in FA this year so taking on a contract that still has a year on it isn't a big deal to me. As long as they get a future first round pick, say 2014, in the deal, it's a huge win as far as i'm concerned. This is LeBron all over again and Nash is basically like Shaq. Still can't believe we gave Cleveland, who was bent over a barrel having to do SOMETHING for LeBron, Shaq and didn't even get a future pick in return.
 

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you mean like the Bulls, who have gone 7-3 with their MVP PG out of the lineup for 10 games this year?

or what about the Spurs who routinely lose Tony Parker for extended periods of time and usually keep on keeping on?

And those aren't just normal starting point guards... those are two of the best PGs in the league who's teams don't sink to the bottom when they're injured.

Agreed. Those teams are usually much deeper versus the Suns too. This goes back to filling our bench with crap, not grooming anybody and not having a secondary go to player.

When teams like the Spurs lose Duncan, Ginobli or Parker for games they kept winning at their peak because they have guys who can step up.

It's freaking scary that the Suns have Nash. He goes down and this team doesn't win a game unless they meet a team with an off night. That is how horrible I think this team becomes.
 

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Still can't believe we gave Cleveland, who was bent over a barrel having to do SOMETHING for LeBron, Shaq and didn't even get a future pick in return.

Not only that, but the Suns took on Ben Wallace in that deal on the promise that he was going to retire and agree to a modest buyout. Then he demanded nearly the full amount of his salary and trotted back off to Detroit, where all he did was average 9 boards a game in 2009-10. Wallace could have been a pretty darn useful player for the Suns that season -- remember, they went to the WCF in spite of Stoudemire getting routinely abused inside without any muscle to back him up -- but instead they paid the former DPOY to play for someone else.
 

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Not only that, but the Suns took on Ben Wallace in that deal on the promise that he was going to retire and agree to a modest buyout. Then he demanded nearly the full amount of his salary and trotted back off to Detroit, where all he did was average 9 boards a game in 2009-10. Wallace could have been a pretty darn useful player for the Suns that season -- remember, they went to the WCF in spite of Stoudemire getting routinely abused inside without any muscle to back him up -- but instead they paid the former DPOY to play for someone else.

yup... putting him in there next to Amare would have been nice in the WCF.
 

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"Never before has a team done so little with so much." Phoenix Suns - 2004-2010
 

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But I like it for the Suns, because now you have four decent players moving forward with Gortat/Anderson/Morris/Dudley -- well, plus Richardson, really, who even in his current condition is vastly better than any SG on the Suns' current roster -- plus two picks this summer, plus a lot of cap space ... it could be worse.
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That's not a bad deal, but I really don't have any interest in Reddick, who is exactly the kind of player that the Suns are trying to move away from -- undersized, one-dimensional, and soft. I'd rather take back Jason Richardson. He's been a big disappointment this year and it wouldn't surprise me if Orlando has some buyer's remorse after re-upping with him this summer. Would Richardson be any better back in Phoenix, no, probably not, but he'd at least have decent resale value if his scoring picked back up (with more touches). And with Frye's contract moving out, the Suns could take back Richardson without changing their cap space situation. They'd still have room for one max FA, which is plenty, because there's no way in hell they're getting two anyway.

It's a big gamble for Orlando, because if Howard walks, then they've given up Anderson and a pick for Frye, for basically no reason. But I like it for the Suns, because now you have four decent players moving forward with Gortat/Anderson/Morris/Dudley -- well, plus Richardson, really, who even in his current condition is vastly better than any SG on the Suns' current roster -- plus two picks this summer, plus a lot of cap space ... it could be worse.

I want no part of Jrich for our team at this point in time and I liked him a lot when he was with us.

The absolute goal for us has to be to get younger and better in time. Anderson and draft picks make us younger and imporves our future.

Reddick is filler for Orlando to take on Anderson's replacement, Frye. He is just a piece in the deal to make the numbers work.

Baiscally I am saying that if you want Nash bad enough I am going to end up with Anderson and a pick or 2 and no long term contracts.
 

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I want no part of Jrich for our team at this point in time and I liked him a lot when he was with us.

The absolute goal for us has to be to get younger and better in time. Anderson and draft picks make us younger and imporves our future.

I understand that, but I still think the damage of how Reddick would undermine the Suns' culture is greater than the expense of taking on Richardson for two extra years. Plus I maintain that Richardson would be easier to move in another deal later on.
 

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I understand that, but I still think the damage of how Reddick would undermine the Suns' culture is greater than the expense of taking on Richardson for two extra years. Plus I maintain that Richardson would be easier to move in another deal later on.

JRich undoubtedly whould have more value than Reddick in our next move.

However the only way Orlando does any deal is if at the end of things they are better in the short term and possibly capable of winning a championship. This might convince Dwight to stay in Florida.

JRich and Nash were good toghether in Phoenix and should do just as well in Orlando which gives them a chnace this year.

That means we possibly could end up with 2 first rounders and Anderson. I think that would be just what we are looking for.

Dwight
Frye
Turkoglu
JRich
Nash

Not Bad - they need some depth up front at the 4 huh

They might even take Warrick off our hands.

We then Amnesty Childress this summer and we have lots of room to go after free agents.

We end up with

Gortat
Anderson
Morris
Dudley
Reddick
Nelson
2 first round picks
??? free agents

The rebuild will be fully underway.

Maybe we can flip Brooks for something of need whenever he returns from China. I believe he is still our property, isn't he.

If I could get a snickers bar for Lopez I would trade him. A 2nd rounder would do.
 

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Originally Posted by ASUCHRIS
"Never before has a team done so little with so much." Phoenix Suns -

2004-2010
The truth really hurts.

Our style of play highlighted the talents of many of those guys. As for as pure basketball talent, I think there have been a lot of non-championship teams that were stronger than our Nash teams were.

How about that group of players during the Kings flirtation with relevance - Vlade Divac, Chris Webber, Peja Stojakovic, Mike Bibby, Hedo Turkoglu, Doug Christie, Bobby Jackson, Corliss Williamson, Gerald Wallace etc.

Steve
 

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Am I the only one who is not that excited hearing these Nash to Orlando rumours?

1st of all, we are not going to get any future 1st rounders from the Magic without heavy protections. They are not that stupid.

Secondly, Ryan Anderson will be one of the most coveted 2nd tier FA's (next to Batum and Mayo) this summer and there will be at least 10 teams with enough cap space to sign him for at least 6-8 mil. as a statring salary.

Is the possible overpaying of a nice role player indeed the right 1st step of our rebuilding?

BTW, the trade works also without Redick in form of Nash, Frye for Anderson, Nelson, Earl Clark, Justin Harper.
 

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Originally Posted by ASUCHRIS
"Never before has a team done so little with so much." Phoenix Suns -

2004-2010

Our style of play highlighted the talents of many of those guys. As for as pure basketball talent, I think there have been a lot of non-championship teams that were stronger than our Nash teams were.

How about that group of players during the Kings flirtation with relevance - Vlade Divac, Chris Webber, Peja Stojakovic, Mike Bibby, Hedo Turkoglu, Doug Christie, Bobby Jackson, Corliss Williamson, Gerald Wallace etc.

Steve

Unfortunatley we only had the original group: (My Avatar) The Fantastic Four

Amare
Johnson
Marion
Nash

Together only one season - after winning 62 games - Johnson went to Atlanta.

Hard to believe any other franchise did that. The Kings were kept in tact for several seasons as I remember. They were given several chances to win in all. We only gave our group one chance.
 

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Am I the only one who is not that excited hearing these Nash to Orlando rumours?

1st of all, we are not going to get any future 1st rounders from the Magic without heavy protections. They are not that stupid.

it's all in the negotiating. the Magic are DESPERATE to make a move. we just have to play on that. desperate teams have to take desperate measures. make that first rounder in 2015 with no protection. force their hand.
 

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Am I the only one who is not that excited hearing these Nash to Orlando rumours?

1st of all, we are not going to get any future 1st rounders from the Magic without heavy protections. They are not that stupid.

Secondly, Ryan Anderson will be one of the most coveted 2nd tier FA's (next to Batum and Mayo) this summer and there will be at least 10 teams with enough cap space to sign him for at least 6-8 mil. as a statring salary.

Is the possible overpaying of a nice role player indeed the right 1st step of our rebuilding?

BTW, the trade works also without Redick in form of Nash, Frye for Anderson, Nelson, Earl Clark, Justin Harper.

I'm with you. Unless we get a third team involved, I'd rather let Nash walk than take back some the packages I've seen getting proposed. Outside of a third team, the only way I deal with Orlando is if they give two unprotected picks or they take back a couple of our bad contracts.
 

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I'm with you. Unless we get a third team involved, I'd rather let Nash walk than take back some the packages I've seen getting proposed. Outside of a third team, the only way I deal with Orlando is if they give two unprotected picks or they take back a couple of our bad contracts.

I agree. I am OK with taking back a bad contract for 2-3 years if it involves unprotected future picks. Garbage and/or bad contract along with a 20-something draft pick this year is just not appealing at all.
 

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it's all in the negotiating. the Magic are DESPERATE to make a move. we just have to play on that. desperate teams have to take desperate measures. make that first rounder in 2015 with no protection. force their hand.

And you are exactly right! No unprotected pick- no Nash. Orlando is a lot more desperate than Phoenix is. Phoenix isn't going anywhere for a couple of years no matter what, while Orlando is desperate to win this year and/or keep Howard.
 

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Originally Posted by ASUCHRIS
"Never before has a team done so little with so much." Phoenix Suns -

2004-2010

Our style of play highlighted the talents of many of those guys. As for as pure basketball talent, I think there have been a lot of non-championship teams that were stronger than our Nash teams were.

How about that group of players during the Kings flirtation with relevance - Vlade Divac, Chris Webber, Peja Stojakovic, Mike Bibby, Hedo Turkoglu, Doug Christie, Bobby Jackson, Corliss Williamson, Gerald Wallace etc.

Steve

I said it somewhat jokingly, although I think our top end talent was better.
 

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I said it somewhat jokingly, although I think our top end talent was better.

I know what you mean. I really wish we had been able to win a ring or two but still, I look back on that period quite fondly. It was a blast to follow that team the first couple years that Nash and Dantoni were here. I think in 5 years we'll be looking back longingly at even the worst of those seasons of the Nash era (prior to this year, that is).

Steve
 

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I know what you mean. I really wish we had been able to win a ring or two but still, I look back on that period quite fondly. It was a blast to follow that team the first couple years that Nash and Dantoni were here. I think in 5 years we'll be looking back longingly at even the worst of those seasons of the Nash era (prior to this year, that is).

Steve

Yep, especially the first year where they were just burying teams and almost literally running them out the building. Q and JJ bombing 3's, Marion and Amare filling the lanes, and Nash orchestrating the show. I doubt we'll ever see better bball.
 

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I'm afraid if the Suns do not trade Nash by the trade deadline, the Suns will pull an Amare or a Shaq and let Nash walk for nothing or next to nothing.

A worst yet option, the Suns pay Nash big bucks for at least a two year contract and perhaps a team (or player) option for a third year. I think this is Babby's primary plan. I don't think Nash will accept a high-end one year contract.

If there is reasonable trade to be had for Nash and the Suns do not do it, I think they will be left with egg on their face again.
 
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