Keep Nash or trade Nash?

[JustWinBaby]

I'm afraid if the Suns do not trade Nash by the trade deadline, the Suns will pull an Amare or a Shaq and let Nash walk for nothing or next to nothing.

A worst yet option, the Suns pay Nash big bucks for at least a two year contract and perhaps a team (or player) option for a third year. I think this is Babby's primary plan. I don't think Nash will accept a high-end one year contract.

If there is reasonable trade to be had for Nash and the Suns do not do it, I think they will be left with egg on their face again.

Totally agree.

Some say there are bad contracts coming back. I ask, which one? Nelson is done after next year, Reddick can be bought out next year and Anderson is 24 and should be a better version of Frye along with a couple of draft picks. He is someone we should look at signing anyway.

The bonus is that we will be able to watch Nash in the playoffs if we do this deal. If he stays with us he may never participate as a player in the NBA playoffs again.

The thought that we keep Nash or let him go for nothing is what has got this franchise in the mess it is in.

 

[Michael]

Unfortunatley we only had the original group: (My Avatar) The Fantastic Four

Amare
Johnson
Marion
Nash

Together only one season - after winning 62 games - Johnson went to Atlanta.

Hard to believe any other franchise did that. The Kings were kept in tact for several seasons as I remember. They were given several chances to win in all. We only gave our group one chance.

And even that one chance wasn't at full strength (JJ's injury) and without any bench to speak of. Tough to swallow - even after so many years

 

[Griffin]

I see a few problems with the proposed Magic deals.

1) Is Magic willing to part with Anderson? If they want Nash, that means they want to make a run at a title this year as well as to get Howard to re-sign. Anderson figures to be a big part of that run. Frye will help, but they will take a step back in the front court. I don't think Orlando will give up any pieces that make them weaker this season and they have no other young talent.

2) Are the Suns willing to match any offer Anderson might get? Sure they'll have the money, but Anderson will surely be overpaid by someone. That's the only way to pry away RFA's. The Suns will be forced to match a large, multi-year contract for a player who had one solid season in the NBA. And if they are indeed high on Morris and hope to groom him into their future starting PF, then why spend all that money on Anderson? I don't see Anderson as having any more potential than Morris, he's just a few years ahead in development.

3) Is Orlando willing to give up unprotected picks? I would like someone to find me a trade in recent history where a team gave up a future unprotected first round pick that has a potential to be very high. It just doesn't happen.

It all hinges on whether Orlando believes that Howard will re-sign if they acquire (and re-sign) Nash. I don't know that he will. I think he really wants to follow in LeBron's footsteps and get to a bigger market with more superstars around. Orlando may be desperate, but they are not dumb. They know that the Suns don't have a lot of options with Nash so they are not going to give up much when there's no other competition for Nash.

 

[slinslin]

They won't give up Anderson AND picks. Anderson is a good young player. A better younger version of Frye. But he is not that good that we should use part of our capspace on him to keep him or sign him.

The most we could hope for is Nash and Childress for Nelson, Reddick, Orton and picks.
That would be great value by the way.

I'd definitely do just Nash for Nelson, Orton and 2012 and 2014 pick if we could flip Nelson to another team, for example the Lakers for a pick and the TPE.

Maybe if we got Reddick we could send him to a team looking for a shooting guard like Minnesota.

 

[Mainstreet]

The Trail Blazers have just waived Armon Johnson, a very athletic PG for which they moved up to draft 44th in the second round in 2010. He hasn't shown much in limited minutes, but he has to be better backup than the Suns have now. He could be worth a look for the rest of the season.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/219232/Blazers_Waive_Armon_Johnson

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/armon-johnson

 

[SirStefan32]

I'd definitely do just Nash for Nelson, Orton and 2012 and 2014 pick if we could flip Nelson to another team, for example the Lakers for a pick and the TPE.

You keep repeating this, but why would anyone give up a draft pick for Nelson?

 

[hcsilla]

I'd definitely do just Nash for Nelson, Orton and 2012 and 2014 pick if we could flip Nelson to another team, for example the Lakers for a pick and the TPE.

I think that something like that seems to be the most realistic trade scenario if talks heat up between the Suns and the Magic.

The Lakers probably won't swallow Nelson and give a pick unless we take Fisher, at the very least.

I would have no problem with this, neither with adding Lopez to the deal if ORL wants him.

 

[sunsfan88]

The Trail Blazers have just waived Armon Johnson, a very athletic PG for which they moved up to draft 44th in the second round in 2010. He hasn't shown much in limited minutes, but he has to be better backup than the Suns have now. He could be worth a look for the rest of the season.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/219232/Blazers_Waive_Armon_Johnson

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/armon-johnson

Dont the Suns already have 3 PGs with one possibly coming in from China to make it 4?

I highly doubt they look at adding PGs for depth.

 

[hcsilla]

Dont the Suns already have 3 PGs

They do, but two of them are definitely among the worst PG's in the NBA:

 

[jagu]

Sebastian Tel-Un-Fair... My hate for him grows everytime he touches the ball.

 

[Mainstreet]

Dont the Suns already have 3 PGs with one possibly coming in from China to make it 4?

I highly doubt they look at adding PGs for depth.

The Suns are unlikely to keep Brooks and as noted by hcsilla, the other two backup PGs are among the worst in the NBA.

 

[AsUdUdE]

How is this poll so close?? anyone who says keep him, is saying they are happy and satisfied with the Suns currently and they should be able to compete for a championship year in and year out...

Wrong on all points.. So the suns have become completely irrelevant.. Soo depressing..

 

[Mainstreet]

How is this poll so close?? anyone who says keep him, is saying they are happy and satisfied with the Suns currently and they should be able to compete for a championship year in and year out...

Wrong on all points.. So the suns have become completely irrelevant.. Soo depressing..

It is hard to know what the Suns are being offered for Nash. I'd trade Nash if he could bring something positive in return that could help their future. I'm expecting that Nash will be the big FA signing this summer. Did you read the article at the link below?

Nash is not the problem. The Suns ownership is the problem. However, I think if the Suns had a good FO, Nash would have been traded when Amare walked for nothing.

http://www.foxsportsarizona.com/12/...or-shopping-/landing_suns.html?blockID=619858

 

[Chaz]

How is this poll so close?? anyone who says keep him, is saying they are happy and satisfied with the Suns currently and they should be able to compete for a championship year in and year out...

Wrong on all points.. So the suns have become completely irrelevant.. Soo depressing..

Nothing happens overnight.

Trading Steve Nash to get worse as a team is a panic move.


You only trade Steve Nash if it makes your team better.

His cap space this summer is more valuable than medium value players with high value contracts.

 

[AsUdUdE]

It is hard to know what the Suns are being offered for Nash. I'd trade Nash if he could bring something positive in return that could help their future. I'm expecting that Nash will be the big FA signing this summer. Did you read the article at the link below?

Nash is not the problem. The Suns ownership is the problem. However, I think if the Suns had a good FO, Nash would have been traded when Amare walked for nothing.

http://www.foxsportsarizona.com/12/...or-shopping-/landing_suns.html?blockID=619858

Yes Sarver os absolutely the problem.. You are 100% correct..

And you trade Nash if you can get ANYTHING for him.. A late first rounder, a role player who has a reasonable contract.. Really the only thing you dont trade him for is someone with a fat contract...

Losing Nash would atleast get the suns out of where they are currently which is the worst place to be in the NBA.. an older team that is just good enough to not get a top pick, but sucks enough that they are not legititamently competing for the playoffs...

Just pitiful.. Trading nash atleast would give them a leg up, EVEN IF THEY WANT TO RETOOL, by adding a top 5 player in this draft.. And with so many top free agents this year reupping with their respective teams, that plan is pretty much out the window..

And the only thing that could make the suns more depressing is if they overpay this summer for 2 mediocre players and waste their cap space.. Which is exactly what I expect them to do..

 

[Mainstreet]

Yes Sarver os absolutely the problem.. You are 100% correct..

And you trade Nash if you can get ANYTHING for him.. A late first rounder, a role player who has a reasonable contract.. Really the only thing you dont trade him for is someone with a fat contract...

Losing Nash would atleast get the suns out of where they are currently which is the worst place to be in the NBA.. an older team that is just good enough to not get a top pick, but sucks enough that they are not legititamently competing for the playoffs...

Just pitiful.. Trading nash atleast would give them a leg up, EVEN IF THEY WANT TO RETOOL, by adding a top 5 player in this draft.. And with so many top free agents this year reupping with their respective teams, that plan is pretty much out the window..

And the only thing that could make the suns more depressing is if they overpay this summer for 2 mediocre players and waste their cap space.. Which is exactly what I expect them to do..

I think Babby plans to sign Nash as at least one of their big FA signings this summer whether another big name FA can be lured in or not. This is not my idea, but I believe it is Babby's plan.

It would not be a terrible strategy if Nash would only sign one year contracts (or a team option for a second year) since the Suns are unlikely to sign two top FAs. Again, Nash should have been traded when Amare left. However, unless a good trade is offered for Nash, I do not see the Suns moving him.

 

[SirStefan32]

How is this poll so close?? anyone who says keep him, is saying they are happy and satisfied with the Suns currently and they should be able to compete for a championship year in and year out...

Wrong on all points.. So the suns have become completely irrelevant.. Soo depressing..

It's close not because many people think keeping Nash is a good idea. It's really because we recognize that the Suns won't get anything valuable in return.

Might as well keep him as a PR move.

 

[slinslin]

PR move to get us a lottery pick outside of the top 12 for the 3rd time in 4 years... smart..

Hopefully we can grab another allstar stud like Lopez, Clark or Morris at that spot.

 

[Mainstreet]

PR move to get us a lottery pick outside of the top 12 for the 3rd time in 4 years... smart..

Hopefully we can grab another allstar stud like Lopez, Clark or Morris at that spot.

So who are good draft candidates at this spot if the Suns select in this area? I thought this draft was deeper.

 

[slinslin]

I would take Tony Wroten at that spot but him being available is not even a sure thing if Rivers, Gilchrist and others stay another year.

As it looks at that spot you wont even have Terrence Jones available at that spot.

 

[sunsfan88]

Yes this draft is getting weaker and weaker by the second cause all players are deciding to stay back another year.

Maybe getting a late pick this year won't matter if we can tank next season?