Kelly Oubre Jr.

[devilalum]

I think the bigger question is why the heck did we want Dillon Brooks? I'm still trying to wrap my head around anyone who initially thought that him + Rivers was a good deal.

Getting Oubre was a MUCH better outcome, IMHO. I think he will be a good bench player here, and certainly brings a better attitude than the outgoing guy.

I guess I’m the only one that thinks the Suns got hosed by the Griz then agreed to take Oubre a couple of hours later to minimize all the bad PR and just move on from Ariza? Not saying anything negative about Oubre just that it seemed like damage control.


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[Raindog]

I guess I’m the only one that thinks the Suns got hosed by the Griz then agreed to take Oubre a couple of hours later to minimize all the bad PR and just move on from Ariza? Not saying anything negative about Oubre just that it seemed like damage control.

It probably was damage control, but I think it may end up being serendipitous, as Oubre will likely be better than anyone else they (likely) could have gotten... at least in any deals that were seriously being considered.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I guess I’m the only one that thinks the Suns got hosed by the Griz then agreed to take Oubre a couple of hours later to minimize all the bad PR and just move on from Ariza? Not saying anything negative about Oubre just that it seemed like damage control.

I don't think you're the only one at all. But I doubt we did it solely for damage control. If we didn't have at least some interest in Oubre I'm confident we would have gone elsewhere. Even if our interest in Oubre was primarily what we might be able to get for him if he plays well between now and the deadline.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I guess I’m the only one that thinks the Suns got hosed by the Griz then agreed to take Oubre a couple of hours later to minimize all the bad PR and just move on from Ariza? Not saying anything negative about Oubre just that it seemed like damage control.


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I don't think it was damage control. I think it was simply a case where a three team deal fell through because of one team and the other two teams that got screwed still wanted to make a deal and they did.

 

[devilalum]

I don't think you're the only one at all. But I doubt we did it solely for damage control. If we didn't have at least some interest in Oubre I'm confident we would have gone elsewhere. Even if our interest in Oubre was primarily what we might be able to get for him if he plays well between now and the deadline.

Oh he’s a nice asset but everybody knows the Suns wanted a PG not a 4th SF.


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[AzStevenCal]

Oh he’s a nice asset but everybody knows the Suns wanted a PG not a 4th SF.

Now I'm confused. Neither Dillon nor Oubre are point guards. And neither is Austin Rivers AFAIC so I don't see how any of this connects to "settling" for Kelly. It sounds to me like you might actually be questioning any version of the trade (which would make sense to me) rather than supporting the idea we didn't want Oubre.

 

[devilalum]

Now I'm confused. Neither Dillon nor Oubre are point guards. And neither is Austin Rivers AFAIC so I don't see how any of this connects to "settling" for Kelly. It sounds to me like you might actually be questioning any version of the trade (which would make sense to me) rather than supporting the idea we didn't want Oubre.

The timing of the whole thing was very forced. They obviously wanted Ariza gone weeks ago. The first deal was a PR disaster. They’re still making jokes about it on ESPN. Oubre may turn out to be a great player for the Suns but they didn’t want him until 2 hours after the first deal fell through.



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[Sunburn]

Oh he’s a nice asset but everybody knows the Suns wanted a PG not a 4th SF.


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Dillon Brooks is a SF.

 

[Chaplin]

Now I'm confused. Neither Dillon nor Oubre are point guards. And neither is Austin Rivers AFAIC so I don't see how any of this connects to "settling" for Kelly. It sounds to me like you might actually be questioning any version of the trade (which would make sense to me) rather than supporting the idea we didn't want Oubre.

Ironically, Austin Rivers has by far the best assist numbers out of the 3 of them. (Rivers, Oubre, Brooks)

Brooks' only saving grace was his contract status over Oubre. Other than that, Oubre checks more boxes than Brooks. My first and biggest question is why we wanted Brooks over Oubre in the first place.

 

[devilalum]

Dillon Brooks is a SF.

How about MaShon Brooks? : )

I know. He didn’t make any sense either.


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[CardsSunsDbacks]

The timing of the whole thing was very forced. They obviously wanted Ariza gone weeks ago. The first deal was a PR disaster. They’re still making jokes about it on ESPN. Oubre may turn out to be a great player for the Suns but they didn’t want him until 2 hours after the first deal fell through.



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They wanted to dump Ariza and they had found a three team deal that got that done while also getting some assetts back. That doesn't specifically mean they didn't want Oubre, but that they were happy with the return they were getting in the first trade. Sounds more likely to me that Washington was the team that got desperate and decided to take less back in order to get Ariza than what they would have gotten in the first trade.

 

[JCSunsfan]

They wanted to dump Ariza and they had found a three team deal that got that done while also getting some assetts back. That doesn't specifically mean they didn't want Oubre, but that they were happy with the return they were getting in the first trade. Sounds more likely to me that Washington was the team that got desperate and decided to take less back in order to get Ariza than what they would have gotten in the first trade.

I think it was a little different. The Suns were clearly interested in moving Ariza, and there were teams that wanted him, specifically Washington and the Lakers. Washington put the deal together to compete against what the Lakers were offering. The Suns did not find the deal, the deal found them.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I think it was a little different. The Suns were clearly interested in moving Ariza, and there were teams that wanted him, specifically Washington and the Lakers. Washington put the deal together to compete against what the Lakers were offering. The Suns did not find the deal, the deal found them.

Semantics. Whether it was Washington that called us or the other way around doesn't really matter much. Either way it was Washington that lost on the first deal falling through, not us.

 

[devilalum]

They wanted to dump Ariza and they had found a three team deal that got that done while also getting some assetts back. That doesn't specifically mean they didn't want Oubre, but that they were happy with the return they were getting in the first trade. Sounds more likely to me that Washington was the team that got desperate and decided to take less back in order to get Ariza than what they would have gotten in the first trade.

It wasn’t the trade deadline. They had days and days to iron out the details of this deal and still managed to screw it up.

Good point about Washington. Who knows. Hope Oubre kills it tonight.


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[95pro]

Washington is a mess and shouldn't be this bad, they were needing to get Ariza's over qualified arse hoping it'll save them. We were already a mess, so its all upside when you get someone back like Oubre.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Semantics. Whether it was Washington that called us or the other way around doesn't really matter much. Either way it was Washington that lost on the first deal falling through, not us.

That was my point. Washington was the initiator. They wanted Ariza. They worked out details and we only agreed when we got what we wanted. Both times.

 

[elindholm]

It probably was damage control, but I think it may end up being serendipitous, as Oubre will likely be better than anyone else they (likely) could have gotten... at least in any deals that were seriously being considered.

For all we know, the Suns preferred Oubre all along, but settled for Dillon when the Grizzlies upped the price for Oubre by including picks.

 

[JCSunsfan]

For all we know, the Suns preferred Oubre all along, but settled for Dillon when the Grizzlies upped the ante for Oubre by including picks.

Yep. Here is what we know. Oubre is better than Josh Jackson and better than what we were getting from Ariza (much better). Win.

He will push JJ. If it motivates JJ. win.
If it doesn't and he fails, we still have Oubre. Win

 

[SirStefan32]

I guess I’m the only one that thinks the Suns got hosed by the Griz then agreed to take Oubre a couple of hours later to minimize all the bad PR and just move on from Ariza? Not saying anything negative about Oubre just that it seemed like damage control.


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If anyone was doing damage control, it was Washington. They ended up trading Oubre and Rivers for Ariza instead of trading them for Ariza and two picks. Perhaps Memphis was originally involved because the Suns did not want to trade two picks, or because they were higher on D. Brooks than on Oubre. There is no way to know, but if anyone was engaging in damage control, it's the Wizards.

 

[SirStefan32]

Yep. Here is what we know. Oubre is better than Josh Jackson and better than what we were getting from Ariza (much better). Win.

He will push JJ. If it motivates JJ. win.
If it doesn't and he fails, we still have Oubre. Win

And if it doesn't motivate JJ and Oubre signs elsewhere, it's still OK because all we gave up was an expiring contract of Ariza.

 

[JCSunsfan]

And if it doesn't motivate JJ and Oubre signs elsewhere, it's still OK because all we gave up was an expiring contract of Ariza.

Yes. I just don't see any downside to this trade, except the fact that we all wanted a pg. So, I will continue to watch Melton's development.

 

[BC867]

Here is the Suns roster with the addition of Oubre. A lot more balanced than anytime this season. Especially with the stat that does not show -- defense.

The whole team has five years or less with the exception of Anderson's 10 and Crawford's 18 years. It is not ideal, of course, with no lead Point Guard or
Power Forward. But we are moving in the right direction. We have only one player under 6'4".

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[vince56]

Kid was nails tonight. While we don't look inventive at all on offense, the team played with intensity tonight. Great to see!

 

[Evil Ash]

Just out of curiosity, what would the cap hold be for Oubre and Holmes (assuming we want to keep the both of them)?

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Just out of curiosity, what would the cap hold be for Oubre and Holmes (assuming we want to keep the both of them)?

9.6m for Oubre and 1.6m for Holmes.