Kevin Garnett Thread

[elindholm]

Please defend yourself on point #2. Why won't Minny ever win a title w/ KG.

Because he'll be with them a maximum of two more seasons. No way will he re-sign after his contract is up, and he's very likely to opt out in a year.

You are telling me that KG, Foye, Davis and lets say Brewer isn't a near playoff lock?

There is a huge, huge difference between "near playoff lock" and contender. You don't bridge that gap with an MLE player and a 19-year-old prospect.

Minnesota also has one of the worst salary situations in the league. Blount, Hudson, Jaric, and James are all on terrible contracts that go on forever.

The Wolves are in a deep, deep hole. There's no way they can get out quickly, short of winning a top-two pick in next week's lottery.

And no one ever "wants" to trade an elite player. They do it because they know they have to.

 

[SirStefan32]

****.. this is gay.. the suns have tried the superstar route.. we need a team.. does this pic bring back memories?

Are you seriously comparing Stephon Marbury, washed-up Penny Hardaway and Shawn Marion to Steve Nash, Amare Stoudemire and Kevin Garnett? Adding Garnett right now would be the equivalent of adding Patrick Ewing or Hakeem to the Suns back in 1993.

 

[kps0001]

Are you seriously comparing Stephon Marbury, washed-up Penny Hardaway and Shawn Marion to Steve Nash, Amare Stoudemire and Kevin Garnett? Adding Garnett right now would be the equivalent of adding Patrick Ewing or Hakeem to the Suns back in 1993.

are you really comparing Garnett to two of the best true centers that have played the game? Garnett is not a true center or even a center at all.

 

[slinslin]

Garnett is argueably one of best 10 players to ever play the game so he has a point.
If you look at him as a PF he is right up there with Malone and Barkley after Duncan.

Garnett is at least 7'1, I don't care if you think he is not a true center or whatever. He can guard any big man in the league as good as anyone else except MAYBE MAYBE Shaq.

 

[kps0001]

Garnett is argueably one of best 10 players to ever play the game so he has a point.
If you look at him as a PF he is right up there with Malone and Barkley after Duncan.

Garnett is at least 7'1, I don't care if you think he is not a true center or whatever. He can guard any big man in the league as good as anyone else except MAYBE MAYBE Shaq.

Garnett is 6' 11" actually, at least thats what is listed everywhere I looked. Its not a matter of looking at him as a PF thats what he is therefore the comparison was not a good one. He should have said the PF's you mentioned.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

KG came into the league at 6'11 as an 18 year old. He is now at least 7'1 and probably even 7'1.5". It has been 10 years since he was 6'11"....

 

[kps0001]

KG came into the league at 6'11 as an 18 year old. He is now at least 7'1 and probably even 7'1.5". It has been 10 years since he was 6'11"....

thicker soles.

 

[slinslin]

Garnett is 6' 11" actually, at least thats what is listed everywhere I looked. Its not a matter of looking at him as a PF thats what he is therefore the comparison was not a good one. He should have said the PF's you mentioned.

Don't kid yourself..

The league back then was way different except for Shaq none of those Centers were physically bigger than Garnett.

Olajuwon was closer to Amare's size and Ewing was shjorter than KG also. Malone and Barkley weren't taller than Amare, they were shorter. There was no Tim Duncan who is also bigger than any of Ewing, Robinson and Olajuwon.

I would advise to watch Kevin Garnett play, because there is absolutely no doubt that he is 7'1 if not 7'2.

David Robinson was a dominant center, Kevin Garnett defensively has similiar attributes and offensively is way more complete player.

 

[slinslin]

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Garnett is taller than Duncan, despite standing a little in the background but lets not even focus on Duncan.
McGrady is about 6'9 just a little shorter than Amare, look at Garnett he has at least 4-5 inches on McGrady.

Duncan against Phoenix 23ppg 14rpg 34mpg in the regular season, and dominance in the playoffs. 3 games
Duncan against Minnesota 20ppg 9rpg 34mpg, Garnett matches him as well as anyone in the league. 3 games
Garnett against San Antonio 23ppg 15rpg 6apg 2bpg 3 games
Garnett against Phoenix 34ppg 15rpg 1apg 3 games

 

[kps0001]

why are you going through all of this to prove a point over a few inches? nevermind its a guys nature I guess.

You get all worked up and pull all these stats and even a picture with TMAC, which I have no idea what that has to do with anything over a comment I made about a dude comparing Garnett to two of the best true centers to ever play the game.


Whatever keeps ya goin man.

 

[D-Dogg]

go ahead.. tell him he sucks.. he acts as if the Cards are and should be the only one in PHX and treats opposing fans that way if they dont like the Cards..

But for some reason, it doesnt apply to basketball with him..

Gee, you will never understand. I don't care if someone lives in Phoenix and hates the cards or lives in Seattle and hates the Cards. They are a dirty cards hater.

Nor do I care if they love the cards here or there. They are awesome Cards lovers. I don't care if Cards lovers also love the Yankees, the Celtics and worship Satan during lunch hour...as long as they love the Cards.

NBA does not equal NFL. Two different things, two different sports. I don't think you are wrong to yell about people not being Suns fans, but you are wrong to give two craps whether they are Cards AND Suns fans. It isn't about the city...it's about the team. And if the franchise moved, I'd still support it. There are some old St. Louis Cardinals fans on the boards...are they idiots too because they aren't Rams fans? There are some that like the baseball and football Cardinals...how do you reconcile that, or are they not good fans to you?

I like the teams I like...and I like them A LOT. Their city doesn't really matter in the long run, because I follow the franchise and the memories I have of watching the team. Not the memories of Phoenix I have. Now, if you diss my state or city I'll get mad, but the Cards don't = Phoenix, and neither do the Suns.

And I'll yell at people who come into SDS/UoP stadium to cheer against the Cards because they are cheering against the Cards, not because I think they are crappy phoenix fans. But because they are cheering for the wrong team in general, whether they made the road trip from San Fran or they live here already. And I fully expect to hear it when I attend road games for the Cards, or if I went to a Suns/Lakers game.

 

[slinslin]

why are you going through all of this to prove a point over a few inches? nevermind its a guys nature I guess.

You get all worked up and pull all these stats and even a picture with TMAC, which I have no idea what that has to do with anything over a comment I made about a dude comparing Garnett to two of the best true centers to ever play the game.


Whatever keeps ya goin man.

Because labeling Garnett as a PF is what it is, just a label. If you would rather have Patrick Ewing as your center than Kevin Garnett feel free, but I would take Garnett. Between him and Olajuwon it would be tough tough decision.

He has the size to play center. Not to mention you would have Amare and Garnett on the floor.
Garnett would pretty much always guard the best big man (duncan) and Amare would guard what is left (Oberto).

 

[kps0001]

I don't get into the speculations and what-ifs. Sorry it is pointless. But I will slightly entertain this out of boredom.

I would rather have Hakeem or Ewing as my center over Garnett if that is what I was looking at bringing Garnett in for. Which will never happen, imo. I don't care how the game has changed Ewing and Hakeem would give us a lot of what we need on the defensive side of the ball. I don't care if Garnetts offensive game is slightly better than either of those two. I feel those two are far superior low post shot blocking defensive players. I am in no way saying KG is a bad defensive player but if I had two picks of those three players in order to concentrate on the defensive side of the ball, which is what we need not offense, KG is the odd man out. We need a shot blocking center which I realize is asking alot. IMO, we wouldn't be really gaining much in that respect with bringing in KG.

edit: but I guess I can see your point some as KG is much better than what we have in that regard or any other options out there.

 

[CaptainInsano]

Suns have to make it happen, do we really want to be going into the playoffs next year with everyone saying "spurs in 6" again?

 

[slinslin]

I don't get into the speculations and what-ifs. Sorry it is pointless. But I will slightly entertain this out of boredom.

I would rather have Hakeem or Ewing as my center over Garnett if that is what I was looking at bringing Garnett in for. Which will never happen, imo. I don't care how the game has changed Ewing and Hakeem would give us a lot of what we need on the defensive side of the ball. I don't care if Garnetts offensive game is slightly better than either of those two. I feel those two are far superior low post shot blocking defensive players. I am in no way saying KG is a bad defensive player but if I had two picks of those three players in order to concentrate on the defensive side of the ball, which is what we need not offense, KG is the odd man out. We need a shot blocking center which I realize is asking alot. IMO, we wouldn't be really gaining much in that respect with bringing in KG.

edit: but I guess I can see your point some as KG is much better than what we have in that regard or any other options out there.

You can't be serious, you would take Ewing over Garnett because of defense?

Sometimes I wonder if people on here watch NBA games rather than just Suns games.

Garnett is a multiple time ALL-NBA Defensive First Team Player.

All-Time I might give you Duncan, Russell, Olajuwon and Mutombo as better defensive players than Garnett at the 4/5, can't think of anyone else.

 

[kps0001]

You can't be serious, you would take Ewing over Garnett because of defense?

Sometimes I wonder if people on here watch NBA games rather than just Suns games.

Garnett is a multiple time ALL-NBA Defensive First Team Player.

Sometimes I wonder if people on here think they are the know all end all.

You asked my opinion and I gave it to you. Now you act as you have this far superior basketball knowledge. Is KG a better shot blocker than Ewing?

 

[slinslin]

Ewing averaged 0.7bpg more than Garnett on his career, Garnett averges almost 2 rpg more than Ewing and half a steal more.

In 17 seasons Ewing made the ALL-NBA Defensive 2nd Team 3 times, no others. Garnett made ALL-NBA Defensive 1st team SIX times and 2nd team 2 times and 3rd team once in 12 seasons. In fact 3rd team was this season and if Minnesota wasn't so pathetic the awards would have kept coming.

There is absolutely no argument.

Lets not even forget that Garnett played all those seasons in a small market like Minnesota while Ewing was in the biggest market basically his whole career.

 

[tobiazz]

I'm on the verge of finally joining the KG bandwagon. I wonder why he doesn't average more blocks, though. Aside from helping directly on Duncan, I would imagine he would greatly help reduce the layup drills that Parker and Manu enjoy.

 

[btimsah]

Why would the Suns get Kevin Garnett, when we allready have Stoudemire? Furthermore, and I will keep saying this, we need a shooting guard. That's our biggest weakness.

I would not be against trading Barbosa and Marion for Ray Allen or something like that. Then were improved. I'm not against getting Garnett, he's a great player obviously.. but the 2 guard spot is our biggest cavity.

 

[slinslin]

Why would the Suns get Kevin Garnett, when we allready have Stoudemire? Furthermore, and I will keep saying this, we need a shooting guard. That's our biggest weakness.

I would not be against trading Barbosa and Marion for Ray Allen or something like that. Then were improved. I'm not against getting Garnett, he's a great player obviously.. but the 2 guard spot is our biggest cavity.

I don't know where to start.

We need a big man that complements Amare and Garnett is a complete unselfish player with great size, what could be better? You get Garnett and keep Amare and you have the possibly best frontcourt in the history of the NBA.

You want to keep playing with just Amare as your only big man and having a liability like Marion at the 4?

Garnett doesn't average that many blocks because he is always guarding the best player, he is more of a weakside shotblocker in my opinion. I'd bet he changes more shots than almost any other player though with his length.

 

[CaptainInsano]

Why would the Suns get Kevin Garnett, when we allready have Stoudemire? Furthermore, and I will keep saying this, we need a shooting guard. That's our biggest weakness.

Why would the spurs need robinson when they have duncan = championship

Why would they have nazr when they had duncan = championships

Why would they have oberto and elson as foul machines when they have duncan = potential championship this year even though it is their weakest team

Why would detroit have rasheed when they have ben wallace = championship

Kurt thomas is solid, but he is a bencher and unless we could find a 2nd version of him like how spurs have oberto + elson we are still sunk.

So it comes down to the simple fact that marion + stoudamire tandem doesn't work because marion slumps against any competent defense. Amare + KG would be our version of Duncan + Robinson.

 

[kps0001]

I don't know where to start.

We need a big man that complements Amare and Garnett is a complete unselfish player with great size, what could be better? You get Garnett and keep Amare and you have the possibly best frontcourt in the history of the NBA.

You want to keep playing with just Amare as your only big man and having a liability like Marion at the 4?

Garnett doesn't average that many blocks because he is always guarding the best player, he is more of a weakside shotblocker in my opinion. I'd bet he changes more shots than almost any other player though with his length.

I agree we need someone else other than Amare and KT. However KG isn't the answer and imo he doesn't go anywhere and if he does it is going to be to the team located 6 hours west of Phoenix. Again all the speculation and hope is useless. If it happens I will eat my words and honestly be happy he is here.


See I feel the opposite about the blocks and there is quite and arument there if you didn't have such a man crush on KG. Going back to your statement about the game changing. If KG were a true center and actually played against and guarded the guys Ewing played against and guarded I don't think he has as many blocks as he currently does.


The all NBA and defensive team reference is a lame statistic to use in the argument. You are making a comparison that is easily skewed by the pure fact of different eras and conferences. The east was alot more stacked with defensive players in Ewings era while the East was and still is a more defensive oriented conference which, imo, makes it far more difficult to earn those honors. The western conference of today is far lacking in comparison with the defensive play and players making it alot easier for KG to win more. I am not saying Ewing was one of the all time great defenders but I feel he would give us much more on the defensive side of the ball than Garnett which is what we need.

Keep up your KG wishes though. I am not going to entertain the idea or get excited until I hear that a deal has been inked.

 

[elindholm]

The all NBA and defensive team reference is a lame statistic to use in the argument. You are making a comparison that is easily skewed by the pure fact of different eras and conferences. The east was alot more stacked with defensive players in Ewings era while the East was and still is a more defensive oriented conference which, imo, makes it far more difficult to earn those honors. The western conference of today is far lacking in comparison with the defensive play and players making it alot easier for KG to win more.

All-NBA and defensive team honors are league-wide, not conference-based.

 

[kps0001]

All-NBA and defensive team honors are league-wide, not conference-based.

Oh yeah. That was a brain fart and half, possibly two.


Still I stand by my theory of more quality defensive big men in that era making it more difficult.

 

[slinslin]

Garnetts era had some of the best defensive big men ever, Mutombo, Shaq, Duncan, Wallace, Wallace..