Kevin Kolb is done (IMO)

[Shane]

Yeah, I quoted Lombardi saying that last year. He went on an ESPN podcast right at the end of the lockout and when Kolb was mentioned and the potential trade market he went on and on about how Kolb did not stand out on film, talked about the "low eye level" thing and said he thought he would end up in Seattle and that they would be back in the QB market soon after.

Personally, I thought he seemed to be like a right handed Matt Leinart when I saw him playing for Philly. Just a bit more mobile. I was against the trade because I thought he would be extremely mediocre and have a low ceiling and I didnt want the Cards to commit to such an average prospect.

I really never imagined he would be this bad.[/QUOTE


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Miami came out and flat out said Kolb sucked and wasnt worth a second round pick

Link?

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Yeah yeah yeah, I am a hater... because I was ahead of the curve on Kolb.

Once again, throwing at Floyd's feet is a much better option than taking a safety, Doucet has leverage on his man. Even one of his patented ducks to Fitz is a better play. He is snapping from the one (because he butchered a play from the 10), he needs to make a very quick decision and he froze... as per usual.

Ahead of the curve... how would we know?

You signed up in Oct, 2011... and believe me... there were posters who beat you on decrying the trade.

 

[Phrazbit]

Ahead of the curve... how would we know?

You signed up in Oct, 2011... and believe me... there were posters who beat you on decrying the trade.

A few, not many. I remember how hostile some of the reactions were to Kolb dislike at the time. I came when ESPN's forums went through a really stupid format change and the community died.

I'll give you my honest opinion on guys and you can hold me to it. And I honestly hated the idea of getting Kolb early in 2011 when it emerged as a rumor. But, I will admit, I didnt think he would be this awful. I hated the idea of the Cardinals locking themselves into a very mediocre player, and I thought thats what Kolb's ceiling was, and his floor probably wasnt far below. I didnt realize he would be this inept.

 

[Mainstreet]

A little off topic. I just have to say it. I'm watching reruns of "CSI:NY" on TV and perhaps Kolb's ceiling is looking like an older version of Gary Sinise. The more I watch Sinise, the more I think of Kolb. Anyone else think there is a resemblance? I can't flip channels... my wife won't let me.

 

[Shane]

A little off topic. I just have to say it. I'm watching reruns of "CSI:NY" on TV and perhaps Kolb's ceiling is looking like an older version of Gary Sinise. The more I watch Sinise, the more I think of Kolb. Anyone else think there is a resemblance? I can't flip channels... my wife won't let me.

KINDA!

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[Mainstreet]

KINDA!

Thanks for posting the pics.

I did Google image searches on both and some were remarkably close. Kolb resembled a younger version of Sinise in many.

 

[Big Deal]

Thanks for posting the pics.

I did Google image searches on both and some were remarkably close. Kolb resembled a younger version of Sinise in many.

Yes, but why did we have to get stuck with the LT Dan version?

 

[Mainstreet]

Yes, but why did we have to get stuck with the LT Dan version?

This was my favorite acting role for Gary Sinise as LT Dan in the movie "Forest Gump." Too bad it doesn't work in football.

 

[Chopper0080]

The RB is uncovered and what those still screen shots dotn tell you or show you is time. time to react and watch it unfold. Watched it over and over in real and slow motion. That throw to the RB is impossible to make. IMPOSSIBLE.

Both of those WR's arent even through their respective route or looking for the ball yet. The CB on Floyd has the inside to Floyds route if he wants it. Doucett is cover even closer and not to mention shielded by a wall of OL and DL in that screen shot. You dont throw a floater over the top in this instance you need I to be a laser. You a hater we all get it. But his option on this play were ZERO.

Professional QBs have to demonstrate the abilty to diagnose defenses pre-snap in order to determine the best possible options for any given play call. Everyone in the stadium knew the Raiders were going to blitz on that play, and Kolb STILL acted surprised and panicked. So either he can't make pre-snap reads or he gets so flustered by the blitz that he can't remember he has a running back open in the flat. Neither is a good sign for a QB who should be your starter.

I find it hilarious someone saying Kolb looked ok, his protection was bad, and Skelton's was better. Please realize that part of being the QB of a team is minimizing your personnel's definciancies and carring the team when things go to crap. Kolb does neither of these things. He doesn't get rid of the ball to beat the blitz which just increases the amount teams will blitz him and he just folds the tougher things get. I applaud Kevni Kolb working to come back from a serious concusson like he did, but facts are he is terrified of taking a hit. That is why when he drops back, he is looking at the rush which causes him to be late on throws.

I wanted Kob to succeed as much as anyone on this board, but if you can't see he is broken and terrified as a QB, then you aren't looking at this objectively. It is time to move on.

 

[D-Dogg]

Odd play call from your own 1 yard line.

No argument there! But the system works.

 

[D-Dogg]

ugh at the elevate horton lines. a year ago everyone was irritated we signed horton instead of pitts LB coach, now he is suddenly the messiah.

And wanted him fired in the first 7 weeks.

HUH?

I don't recall that. I loved the hire, and loved it immediately from camp on.

 

[D-Dogg]

Both of those WR's arent even through their respective route or looking for the ball yet. .

Uhm, bro...you don't throw the ball when they are through their routes or looking for it. You release it BEFORE then, so that when they turn to look the ball is there. Whis uses timing routes like crazy.

I love you man, but that's a bad statement right there. And you know it.

 

[D-Dogg]

Thanks for posting the pics.

I did Google image searches on both and some were remarkably close. Kolb resembled a younger version of Sinise in many.

Sinese is not afraid of getting hit. He's lost his legs already, FFS.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

I was watching the game again today, and here's a screenshot from the safety.

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Edit: And in fairness, here's the back shot so Qb perspective is clearer.

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Kolb has to realize that is as good as a pocket as he is going to get at that point in the field. He also failed to recognize that if the WR's are not open quickly that he has to throw the ball away in that situation.

What drives me even more crazy is the play before this one that resulted in a near safety.

If watch the play, the RB clearly (and in sight of Kolb) picks up the blitzer perfectly and instead of steping into a throw, he flinches and scramble rolls to his left...Kolb simply does not have the instincts to stick with a play.

 

[az1965]

I was watching the game again today, and here's a screenshot from the safety.

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Edit: And in fairness, here's the back shot so Qb perspective is clearer.

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That is a pretty solid pocket... why did he not throw to Floyd who appears to be open at that time and even looking for the ball??? Jarvis James looks to be open but never turned back for the ball. He should have stepped up into the pocket buying 1-2 extra seconds and possibly getting 2-3 options.


EDIT: Ok, I just went and looked at the clip several time... to be fair to Kolb, the pocket lasted all of 2 seconds and collapsed FAST. I looked at the play clock. The play started at 4:43 and by 4:41 the defender was on Kolb's face and by 4:40 Kolb was being pulled down. However, Kolb should have dumped the ball to Jarvis James who was wide open to his right with arms spread begging for ball but Kolb was looking at the rushers ready to go down instead of his options. He kept looking towards his left for the first 1.5 or so seconds without scanning the full field while Floyd and Jarvis were open to his extreme and front right. But he never looked to his right.

 

[Phrazbit]

That is a pretty solid pocket... why did he not throw to Floyd who appears to be open at that time and even looking for the ball??? Jarvis James looks to be open but never turned back for the ball. He should have stepped up into the pocket buying 1-2 extra seconds and possibly getting 2-3 options.

Burris (#56) comes up the middle right after that shot is taken, which removes stepping up. However, it does not change that Kolb reacted to the pressure by tucking and attempting to roll... into more pressure (as always), rather than getting rid of the ball.

 

[az1965]

Burris (#56) comes up the middle right after that shot is taken, which removes stepping up. However, it does not change that Kolb reacted to the pressure by tucking and attempting to roll... into more pressure (as always), rather than getting rid of the ball.

I updated my comments as I went and watched the clip several times.

He should have immediately dumped the ball to Jarvis who did not have a defender for at least 10 yards or so and could have easily gotten out of the end zone.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

 

[Phrazbit]

Sadly I cant even say which play that is. Did that one end with the grounding penalty or was that the later one where even our announcers (who desperately were searching for excuses) said "at some point you gotta get rid of the ball"?

Thats a pretty damn good pocket, and he is turning his back on the receivers and rolling out. In frames 3 and 4 you can blatantly see that he is no longer looking up field but staring at the right side of the pocket. The guy is pitiful.

 

[Shane]

That is a pretty solid pocket... why did he not throw to Floyd who appears to be open at that time and even looking for the ball??? Jarvis James looks to be open but never turned back for the ball. He should have stepped up into the pocket buying 1-2 extra seconds and possibly getting 2-3 options.


EDIT: Ok, I just went and looked at the clip several time... to be fair to Kolb, the pocket lasted all of 2 seconds and collapsed FAST. I looked at the play clock. The play started at 4:43 and by 4:41 the defender was on Kolb's face and by 4:40 Kolb was being pulled down. However, Kolb should have dumped the ball to Jarvis James who was wide open to his right with arms spread begging for ball but Kolb was looking at the rushers ready to go down instead of his options. He kept looking towards his left for the first 1.5 or so seconds without scanning the full field while Floyd and Jarvis were open to his extreme and front right. But he never looked to his right.

Thats the problem with still shots. that makes it look like Kolb was set up all fine and dandy in a nice clean pocket which is the farthest from the truth.

 

[Shane]

I updated my comments as I went and watched the clip several times.

He should have immediately dumped the ball to Jarvis who did not have a defender for at least 10 yards or so and could have easily gotten out of the end zone.

yea watch it again. James is completely covered and not only out of view of Kolb but with how quickly Kelly is in the pocket and on Kolb from his right side there is no way in hell Kolb can even make that throw.

 

[az1965]

yea watch it again. James is completely covered and not only out of view of Kolb but with how quickly Kelly is in the pocket and on Kolb from his right side there is no way in hell Kolb can even make that throw.

But Doucet on his left is not... in fact, Kolb is looking in his direction all the way, Doucet is open, Kolb could have thrown to him but for some reason held on to the ball and the pressure was on him immediately afterwards.

 

[az1965]

"I've been in games when it's hard to get the game to slow down, and it's not a fun place to be," Warner said. "Everything looks like a jumbled mess. Sometimes you're nervous, sometimes you're anxious.

"When I watch him on film, it looks like he's looking in the right spots. But that doesn't mean he's seeing it, or that he's seeing what I'm seeing. But he's looking at it and not letting the ball go. What's causing that?"​

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/sports/car...eat-organizational-failure.html#ixzz24H3CXDpX​

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This is exactly what I felt on the safety... he kept looking in Doucet's direction who was wide open but for some reason did not let the ball go.​

 

[PitchShifter]

Revenge of the Birds has more detail of Kolb's plays versus the Raiders @ http://www.revengeofthebirds.com/2012/8/21/3257280/kevin-kolb-by-the-throws-against-the-raiders

 

[Duckjake]

Revenge of the Birds has more detail of Kolb's plays versus the Raiders @ http://www.revengeofthebirds.com/2012/8/21/3257280/kevin-kolb-by-the-throws-against-the-raiders

Whisenhunt said the play wasn't ideal because the routes for receivers took too long to develop. A better option would have been something shorter that called for Kolb to get rid of the ball more quickly.

I guess the Cards Receivers should have run 1 yard curls.

Pass attempt 8: Kolb is sacked again. Only a four-man rush and this play is a disaster. Adam Snyder holds on the play and then Kolb throws the ball as he is getting pulled down.

I've watched that play several times and there was no way Snyder holds on the play unless falling on top of a defender is holding. It looks like Batitste may have been holding and the ref just called out the wrong #.