Kliff comments on Murray
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GatorAZ
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He won’t fall past Jacksonville’s spot.
I don’t know. I’ve thought and said the same thing but you’d be rolling the dice IF you absolutely wanted Murray. If we traded down to 6 with the Giants (day Haskins) would that kind of say to the other teams we weren’t interested in Murray and that any team wanting Murray would only have to move up to 10 or 12 to get him? Except we pull a switcheroo and take Murray at 6? I don’t mind taking Murray but I don’t feel we are maximizing the value of the first pick. I know Murray supporters won’t agree with that but I would love some insurance picks to back it up. Shane, I think we have to get our minds wrapped around Murray as our Qb .
He would fall. We could get him at 4 or 6 possibly lower. Nobodies coming up to get Mighty Mouse.
so you think they would take Murray even though they signed Foles?
GatorAZ
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I think they would trade out.
GatorAZ
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I don’t think these QB’s are worth trading up in the top-5 for. I think the Giants will get their guy at 6 then teams will starting moving and grooving.
Krangodnzr
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And he still had moments he excelled.
Only second QB in college football history who threw for 200 and rushed for 100 in his first start. Showed promise...unlike a certain QB who is about to be kicked to the curb
Krangodnzr
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Krangodnzr
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How do you know they arent?
HeHasRosen
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And he still had moments he excelled.
Only second QB in college football history who threw for 200 and rushed for 100 in his first start. Showed promise...unlike a certain QB who is about to be kicked to the curb
You dont become a top 10 pick and start as a freshman in college without showing promise.
Sorry you took an L on that one brah
Delmar M Lewis
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Maybe because they see something that we don't as fans Not the front Office but the Murray fanboys
juza76
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glad u joined us , so now u can see how hard is the job facing the antimurray crew, they have just one purpose, finding everything possibile, even the smallest issue to detract him
i would like if they would use the same criteria for the worst qb in the nfl last season
Solar7
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@Krangthebrain
I think we've made it clear I'm not a Murray guy, but if we were at say, pick #13, like we were with Watson, Mahomes, etc., I'd be way more prone to support the guy than I am right now. I just don't like him at #1.
But I think it's kinda silly to argue that Rosen has never done anything as a QB. He warranted his status with games like the comeback against A&M, and even came out of the gate with some dazzling throws for our team. He brought us back in the clutch against the 49ers. It's not over yet, the book isn't written.
Rosen's not a plucky 5th round pick that we ended up starting because we're crazy outliers, he's someone that is going to get some value if we trade him based off of his pedigree. He showed poise.
I think we've made it clear I'm not a Murray guy, but if we were at say, pick #13, like we were with Watson, Mahomes, etc., I'd be way more prone to support the guy than I am right now. I just don't like him at #1.
But I think it's kinda silly to argue that Rosen has never done anything as a QB. He warranted his status with games like the comeback against A&M, and even came out of the gate with some dazzling throws for our team. He brought us back in the clutch against the 49ers. It's not over yet, the book isn't written.
Rosen's not a plucky 5th round pick that we ended up starting because we're crazy outliers, he's someone that is going to get some value if we trade him based off of his pedigree. He showed poise.
Solar7
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You're obviously shortsighted and should see an optometrist before April 25.
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Mayfield struggled some as a freshman at Texas Tech. So what?
You guys getting really really desperate.
Solar7
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"So what?"
He proved everyone wrong for three years, and put every effort into showing the NFL he was the right guy.
Kyler has taken every single opportunity to shield himself from anything that could possibly hurt him, and played one year.
Krangodnzr
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They cant attack his on field play. Their argument is weak sauce, bitchmade smack.
Solar7
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Not interested in even engaging the argument that playing on one of the best coached teams in football with extremely superior talent around you is a little concerning?
I played flag football with some 15 year old kids and my old high school QB/DE that played at Michigan the other day, you'd be amazed at how often he was open by 9 yards. I'm about Kyler Murray's size.
Okay. I could see how someone might look at it like that.
But Baker had something to prove. His #1 draft status was in doubt until the last minute. Kyler does (did) not. His #1 draft status was decided by his pro day.
You can say I'm spinning it, but, when you read the following, doesn't it sound like Murray is playing it smart?
Freshman year - played at TAMU, was up and down in a dysfunctional program.
Sophomore year - transferred away from a bad situation, and to a good one at OU, where he sat behind the eventual Heisman winner for that year. Learning from the touchdown maker, and soaking in the teachings of Riley. Played well in mop up duty.
Junior year - The best overall (rushing/passing) year by a QB ever Solar.
Senior year: Chose to forego it with millions waiting in either baseball or football.
Combine: Proved the "less than 5-10"ers wrong, but deferred running and throwing until his pro-day.
Pro-day: By this time, he knew the die had been cast Solar, so he threw, but avoided risking injury by running. No upside what-so-ever to running a 40 then sir. None. Why risk it?
In hindsight, and perhaps because I have crimson colored glasses on, all his behavior seems rational, and logical.
One more thing Solar....
His lack of starts... have you ever considered that, because limited time as a starter, he might still have some room to grow as a QB? That he might not yet have reached his ceiling as a passer sir?
What a chilling thought that must be for NFL defensive coordinators not named Joseph.
Solar7
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@Crimson Warrior, I get your excitement. I've said in other posts, I really understand wanting the guy that is the unequivocal truth, the dynamic player that changes the sport.
You're just rationalizing away so many enormous red flags like they never existed. I'll never question that Kyler isn't playing it smart, but I don't think that the Cardinals are playing it smart. It is 100% this kid's mission in life to maximize his money, grow the hype, and then if all else fails, stumble back into baseball where his athletic ability will get him a the kind of money I can't dream of.
"Best overall" stats don't count to me, not in the college game. I love Donnel Pumphrey, but he's FBS' leading rusher of all time, and you probably don't know where he plays right now.
Murray being 5'10 instead of 5'8 doesn't change that he's still way too short for the position, and short enough to get me passed over on Tinder.
Pro-Day? Die is cast? That's the same thing Doctor Octopus said when he took over as Spider-Man, and Peter Parker is Spidey again.
Murray might grow as a player, maybe. But the evidence says he isn't going to physically grow, and I'm not willing to believe you guys who think that the tape proves he's going to evade every NFL defender for all of time.
You're just rationalizing away so many enormous red flags like they never existed. I'll never question that Kyler isn't playing it smart, but I don't think that the Cardinals are playing it smart. It is 100% this kid's mission in life to maximize his money, grow the hype, and then if all else fails, stumble back into baseball where his athletic ability will get him a the kind of money I can't dream of.
"Best overall" stats don't count to me, not in the college game. I love Donnel Pumphrey, but he's FBS' leading rusher of all time, and you probably don't know where he plays right now.
Murray being 5'10 instead of 5'8 doesn't change that he's still way too short for the position, and short enough to get me passed over on Tinder.
Pro-Day? Die is cast? That's the same thing Doctor Octopus said when he took over as Spider-Man, and Peter Parker is Spidey again.
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Murray might grow as a player, maybe. But the evidence says he isn't going to physically grow, and I'm not willing to believe you guys who think that the tape proves he's going to evade every NFL defender for all of time.
Let’s face it. There isn’t a person on this board who wouldn’t take Murray right now if we knew he was the next Patrick mahomes and that’s not even knowing if mahomes is the real deal yet. Imagine Murray with Fitz, DJ, Kirk and maybe Hollywood Brown or Harry and perhaps Fant. We also have options to add to our o-line before the season starts. Could cause quite an offensive stir. Of course this is adding a Mahomes type performance from Murray. Mahomes success was a direct result of having a plethoras of talent around him. If we go with Murray then we have to go all in.
Solar7
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Whoa man, gutsy take there!
I'm pretty sure every fan in the NFL right now would take any player who was going to have Mahomes' year.
The point is, we don't know at all.
