Kliff comments on Murray

[RON_IN_OC]

Just heard on NFL Radio it was reported the Raiders are having private workout with Murray. Thank God!

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[Dan H]

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[b8rtm8nn]

Just heard on NFL Radio it was reported the Raiders are having private workout with Murray. Thank God!

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Would love for them to swap with us for Murray, so we could take Oliver or Williams, plus have another high pick.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Except sproles is 4inches shorter than Murray, so not accurate in even the most stretchiest of stretches.

I realize they are not the same size. It was to show how big the NFL linemen are compared to shorter players

 

[Vacard]

Just heard on NFL Radio it was reported the Raiders are having private workout with Murray. Thank God!

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Thank god someone else sees his value as worthy as the number one overall pick so people won’t bitch when he’s our qb. The meltdown will be even more salty than the infamous Bryant Johnson-pace grade

 

[Jetstream Green]

Would that everyone in this community were as thoughtful and gracious as you. It speaks well of your upbringing sir.

As for the next few weeks? I've found that I reach an equilibrium with most posters (e.g. BW52, TJ, and Shane, (but not that awful @GuernseyCard) ), and I think that's where you and I are at. Both positions clearly stated and understood, so no need to belabor the point. Maybe just a little back and forth on some of the finer points of the matter.

Dude, I like Rosen but I am willing also to roll the dice on Murray if that is what Cardinal brass wants to do... after all, Murray is a Texan like most of all the good players which serve mercenary time at Oklahoma

 

[Krangodnzr]

Dude, I like Rosen but I am willing also to roll the dice on Murray if that is what Cardinal brass wants to do... after all, Murray is a Texan like most of all the good players which serve mercenary time at Oklahoma

This is my thinking.

I may trash Rosen abit but that is in relation to Murray.

IMO Murray is just so much better than Rosen, it's not even close.

 

[Jetstream Green]

This is my thinking.

I may trash Rosen abit but that is in relation to Murray.

IMO Murray is just so much better than Rosen, it's not even close.

No, Murray 'might' be much better than Rosen... but as a Rosen fan, all my stupid midget jokes aside, I am not ignorant acknowledging possibilities (no matter how slight) that Murray might be one of those once in a lifetime proverbial lighting bug in a bottle scenarios lol

 

[Krangodnzr]

Just heard on NFL Radio it was reported the Raiders are having private workout with Murray. Thank God!

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If the haul is good enough, I'm down.

 

[Vacard]

No, Murray 'might' be much better than Rosen... but as a Rosen fan, all my stupid midget jokes aside, I am not ignorant acknowledging possibilities (no matter how slight) that Murray might be one of those once in a lifetime proverbial lighting bug in a bottle scenarios lol

There’s too many qb’s in the league that has a better year than Rosen. If Murray doesn’t become better than that, then there’s no point of him being a qb. Josh Mr Inaccurate Allen had a better year than Rosen.

 

[Jetstream Green]

There’s too many qb’s in the league that has a better year than Rosen. If Murray doesn’t become better than that, then there’s no point of him being a qb. Josh Mr Inaccurate Allen had a better year than Rosen.

There have not been many QBs ever which had what Josh Rosen was placed in. Josh Allen still sucks by a country mile in my book and if our QB from the prior draft... I would be screaming from the rafters to select Murray

 

[TheCardFan]

There’s too many qb’s in the league that has a better year than Rosen. If Murray doesn’t become better than that, then there’s no point of him being a qb. Josh Mr Inaccurate Allen had a better year than Rosen.

There aren't any QB's in the history of the NFL that were put in a worse situation than Rosen as a rookie.

 

[Krangodnzr]

There aren't any QB's in the history of the NFL that were put in a worse situation than Rosen as a rookie.

I dont know if that's true.

 

[Vacard]

There have not been many QBs ever which had what Josh Rosen was placed in. Josh Allen still sucks by a country mile in my book and if our QB from the prior draft... I would be screaming from the rafters to select Murray

There aren't any QB's in the history of the NFL that were put in a worse situation than Rosen as a rookie.

And with clean pockets and easy bootlegs, Rosen was STILL was missing easy throws. I remember he missed an easy touchdown to DJ that any backup qb would’ve made. Y’all are starting to make excuses for this man. Easy touchdowns were missed because the wrong read. Receivers wide open in many games but you trying to tell me it’s all Wilks and the line. Lmao. A hs qb would’ve made those throws. If allen sucks by a country mile then what makes Rosen?? Allen would’ve made something that Rosen couldn’t in those drives. Maybe it’s why he had a better year

There’s a reason why Murray is even in the discussion in the first place and it’s not just KK’s love affair for him.

 

[GatorAZ]

Rookie QB’s are put in terrible situations every year; Rosen, Allen, Darnold, Trubisky, Goff, Mariotta to name a few recently.

 

[TheCardFan]

I dont know if that's true.

Rookie QB’s are put in terrible situations every year; Rosen, Allen, Darnold, Trubisky, Goff, Mariotta to name a few recently.

Agreed but pick one situation as bad or worse.

One and done HC
OC that is horrible and then only makes it to week 7
New OC has 1 year of coaching experience and has never called plays
One of the worst olines in the NFL
One of the worst WR groups in the NFL (Sherfield, Chad Williams, JJ Nelson, and Jalen Tolliver)

Add to that the number of pressures, sacks, drops, 1st and second down running plays that get 1-2 yards (setting up too many 3rd and longs), etc.

Look, I am not a Rosen apologist. I am a realist.

I would love to see another situation that was as bad or worse for a rookie QB.

Was Rosen great? No. Did he miss throws? Of course but what rookie doesn't?

This is much bigger than that.

 

[Jetstream Green]

And with clean pockets and easy bootlegs, Rosen was STILL was missing easy throws. I remember he missed an easy touchdown to DJ that any backup qb would’ve made. Y’all are starting to make excuses for this man. Easy touchdowns were missed because the wrong read. Receivers wide open in many games but you trying to tell me it’s all Wilks and the line. Lmao. A hs qb would’ve made those throws. If allen sucks by a country mile then what makes Rosen?? Allen would’ve made something that Rosen couldn’t in those drives. Maybe it’s why he had a better year

There’s a reason why Murray is even in the discussion in the first place and it’s not just KK’s love affair for him.

So what you are saying is that you knew the plays and therefore knew what the right routes where and therefore knew what the proper reads where better than Rosen or a WR not named Fitz . Then you dip into the high school QBs are better than Rosen, which means you should turn the hose off. What about Murray feeling pressure against Alabama and throwing into the dirt on easy screens. It's called pressure upon pressure, and you damn right there will be some errant throws

 

[Vacard]

So what you are saying is that you knew the plays and therefore knew what the right routes where and therefore knew what the proper reads where better than Rosen or a WR not named Fitz . Then you dip into the high school QBs are better than Rosen, which means you should turn the hose off. What about Murray feeling pressure against Alabama and throwing into the dirt on easy screens. It's called pressure upon pressure, and you damn right there will be some errant throws

Clean pocket, no pressure, easy easy reads were missed, easy bootleg to DJ who was right in front of him missed but it’s all Wilks right?? Oh and Murray made made it a game and actually adjusted and came back. He threw for over 300 yards, bad example

 

[GuernseyCard]

Clean pocket, no pressure, easy easy reads were missed, easy bootleg to DJ who was right in front of him missed but it’s all Wilks right?? Oh and Murray made made a game and actually adjusted and came back. He threw for over 300 yards, bad example

And , Johnny Football beat #1 Alabama and in a close loss had 5tds and 464 yards

 

[TheCardFan]

Clean pocket, no pressure, easy easy reads were missed, easy bootleg to DJ who was right in front of him missed but it’s all Wilks right?? Oh and Murray made made a game and actually adjusted and came back. He threw for over 300 yards, bad example

One play missed to DJ?

Murray came back after it was 28-0. Nick Saban was in a prevent defense...it was never close.

I am not Pro Rosen or Murray. I trust that KK will choose the right QB and develop them.

Name a rookie QB that has ever been put in as bad or worse situation as Rosen.

 

[juza76]

Clean pocket, no pressure, easy easy reads were missed, easy bootleg to DJ who was right in front of him missed but it’s all Wilks right?? Oh and Murray made made a game and actually adjusted and came back. He threw for over 300 yards, bad example

not much to add, they dont care

lets stick with rosen and we will enjoy the 2019 season

 

[Krangodnzr]

And , Johnny Football beat #1 Alabama and in a close loss had 5tds and 464 yards

Irrelevant.

Totally different teams.

 

[Jetstream Green]

And with clean pockets and easy bootlegs, Rosen was STILL was missing easy throws. I remember he missed an easy touchdown to DJ that any backup qb would’ve made. Y’all are starting to make excuses for this man. Easy touchdowns were missed because the wrong read. Receivers wide open in many games but you trying to tell me it’s all Wilks and the line. Lmao. A hs qb would’ve made those throws. If allen sucks by a country mile then what makes Rosen?? Allen would’ve made something that Rosen couldn’t in those drives. Maybe it’s why he had a better year

There’s a reason why Murray is even in the discussion in the first place and it’s not just KK’s love affair for him.

Fact, Rosen even in his first year as a Cardinal had more tight window throws which where a success than Murray had at Oklahoma. This is not to say Murray cannot but we have not seen any. Rosen has more than adequate arm strength to throw deep but Murray has more on his deep balls and throws with a lot better touch. Rosen has shown the ability of being able to hit WRs in stride in the interior of the field, Murray has not and any passes completed in the interior on mid routes are static stop and goes. Again, here is another aspect of simply we do not know because apparently it was not required to win for Murray. I like things about both guys. I really like Rosen's form and smooth spiral and when he does have consistent protection his passes are pretty and accurate. Murray has these short but powerful arms which have a light speed release. Point, I will not be upset if it's not Rosen though I would prefer him. I have watched football long enough to have a fair understanding of what I see. I knew Skelton was just throwing dirt to see what would stick and his accuracy was erratic and really Josh Allen is no different. Rosen is not this, he made initial throws which where great and only a few could make, meaning completing that one single out pass to DJ could probably also been completed if the boy calmed down after being used for a tackling dummy but some of his elite completions Josh Allen could have never completed in those tight windows and would have went Derek Anderson more often than naught.

Rosen to me is a Eli Manning type, and that is not bad. Murray now to me has no comp, he has no real comparison. I have no freaking idea what he might be. I see major red flags in relation to what has succeeded before but he is so unique that maybe, just maybe, you cannot judge him by others because he also has that special mojo you either have or not

I have a preference for Rosen, but do not hate Murray. See, I am cool with going to war with either of them. I will take the smart ass or the mighty midget. I would rather have Rosen or Murray over Goff even now

 

[GuernseyCard]

Irrelevant.

Totally different teams.

What part of beating and a close loss to #1 Alabama don't you understand ?

 

[Krangodnzr]

What part of beating and a close loss to #1 Alabama don't you understand ?

It's a ******** argument. Its not the same Alabama team.

Literally no player from that team was on the team that played Kyler Murray.

Just as relevant? That Alabama loss to Tennessee in 1952!