Kliff comments on Murray

[MadCardDisease]

That's fair MadCard. AL was the best defense Murray faced all year.

But Murray had zero turnovers, 450 yards of offense, and a 139.0 QB rating for that game. All of that with basically one above average WR target (Hollywood Brown of course had the lis franc injury) Are you saying that if an NFL QB posts those numbers in a game, that.. it's not good enough?

If Murray "struggles" his way to a 139.0 rating in our games, I think we'll take it.. right?

Alabama was the ONLY real defense that Murray faced all year.

When Murray hits the NFL he won't be facing defenses from the Florida Atlantics, Kansas, Texas Techs, UCLAs, or Baylors of the world.

You can claim Murray had a solid game against Alabama with a high QB rating but the film says otherwise IMO. Most of his yards came off of gadget or broken plays. Most of his success came late in the game when the game was already out of reach.

This game proved that Tua got snubbed and should have won the Heisman. That's what happens when you only look at the Stat Line.

 

[juza76]

Alabama was the ONLY real defense that Murray faced all year.

When Murray hits the NFL he won't be facing defenses from the Florida Atlantics, Kansas, Texas Techs, UCLAs, or Baylors of the world.

You can claim Murray had a solid game against Alabama with a high QB rating but the film says otherwise IMO. Most of his yards came off of gadget or broken plays. Most of his success came late in the game when the game was already out of reach.

This game proved that Tua got snubbed and should have won the Heisman. That's what happens when you only look at the Stat Line.

can u list the nfl defense faced by mahomes when he played at texas tech, but he has been phenomenal in the nfl, cause he has the great arm,quick delivery and mobility in the pocket which are traits that belong to murray too

this is not the case for rosen unfortunately, who struggle also against very sub par defense even in college

and considering u use the alabama game to detract him, the terrible start didnt affect him at all and he was able to stand up and fight till the end, that is a strong mindset

 

[Krangodnzr]

A reporter found a clip from a college game where KK was talking up his opponent & made a story out of it. From there it blew up giving all of the talking heads something to discuss predraft. The Cards used this to their advantage to drive up the trade value of the #1 pick to a QB needy team. Keim knew what he was doing when he answered the Josh is our QB right now. He wouldn't have said the ''right now'' part if he was going to ditch JR for KM. It was a comment with purpose.

Maybe. It's a possibility.

Kingsbury did recruit Murray heavily TWICE and legitimately loves his game.

 

[Krangodnzr]

This game proved that Tua got snubbed and should have won the Heisman. That's what happens when you only look at the Stat Line.

Bull crap. Kyler Murray was a better college player last year.

Tuas play against Clemson proved he didnt deserve the Heisman (two can play this game)

 

[MadCardDisease]

can u list the nfl defense faced by mahomes when he played at texas tech, but he has been phenomenal in the nfl, cause he has the great arm,quick delivery and mobility in the pocket which are traits that belong to murray too

Yes Mahomes didn't go against a NFL Caliber Defense while at Tech. Which means he also didn't struggle against a NFL caliber defense while there. So he was more of an unknown coming out. He was a big kid with a cannon of an arm who could make every NFL throw. Hence why he wasn't the first pick in the draft or even the first QB selected.

 

[juza76]

Yes Mahomes didn't go against a NFL Caliber Defense while at Tech. Which means he also didn't struggle against a NFL caliber defense while there. So he was more of an unknown coming out. He was a big kid with a cannon of an arm who could make every NFL throw. Hence why he wasn't the first pick in the draft or even the first QB selected.

Murray didnt struggle against Bama, after the first 3 series has been good, its like to judge a movie for the first 15 minuts

about Mahomes:
The nfl changed, he wasnt selected 1st cause they thought( old school mentality) that his style of play customized for spread offense required more time to adjust to the nfl offense

 

[Crimson Warrior]

Alabama was the ONLY real defense that Murray faced all year.

When Murray hits the NFL he won't be facing defenses from the Florida Atlantics, Kansas, Texas Techs, UCLAs, or Baylors of the world.

You can claim Murray had a solid game against Alabama with a high QB rating but the film says otherwise IMO. Most of his yards came off of gadget or broken plays. Most of his success came late in the game when the game was already out of reach.

This game proved that Tua got snubbed and should have won the Heisman. That's what happens when you only look at the Stat Line.

MadCardDisease, let's just agree to disagree here on the first part of your post.

Regarding the 2nd part of your post, Tua didn't look so hot against Clemson. They benched him for Hurts IIRC. Getting benched in the championship game doesn't exactly count as a heisman moment does it sir?

Murray is going to wear #1 for your Cardinals in 2019 MCD. Hope you're okay with that.

 

[DVontel]

Mahomes played great against LSU in the bowl game.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Mahomes played great against LSU in the bowl game.

50% completion percentage.....56-27 loss.....I'd say no.

LSU was Mahomes' Bama game.

 

[Krangodnzr]

And OU clearly was out talented against Alabama. The amount of push the Crimson Tide got in the pass game and how much smaller the windows for completion were was striking compared to other games.

 

[DVontel]

50% completion percentage.....56-27 loss.....I'd say no.

LSU was Mahomes' Bama game.

4 TDs with 1 INT, with a team that was out-manned at every position. Made some quality NFL throws in that game, too.

Mahomes could only dream of having the supporting cast Kyler did in college, now it’s actully look like it’s going to be a flip flop in a couple months.

 

[Krangodnzr]

4 TDs with 1 INT, with a team that was out-manned at every position. Made some quality NFL throws in that game, too.

Mahomes could only dream of having the supporting cast Kyler did in college, now it’s actully look like it’s going to be a flip flop in a couple months.

And OU Murray didn't have the supporting cast that Tua had

 

[DVontel]

And OU Murray didn't have the supporting cast that Tua had

Better OLine

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[Krangodnzr]

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LOL

Huge difference in Big 12 talent and SEC talent. That Alabama front seven is nasty every year. The fact that guys like Q. Williams barely play shows just how much depth they have.

Clemson might play in the ACC, but they are recruiting SEC talent and playing a lesser conference.

 

[DVontel]

LOL

Huge difference in Big 12 talent and SEC talent. That Alabama front seven is nasty every year. The fact that guys like Q. Williams barely play shows just how much depth they have.

Clemson might play in the ACC, but they are recruiting SEC talent and playing a lesser conference.

I’d argue SEC puts out better defensive players while BIG 12 puts out better offenses, especially OL.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Great post.

When there is smoke, there is fire. Rosen has been bashed over and over with few people coming to his defense. Why is that? Maybe the comments are true.

Guess when there's smoke on a concert stage you think it's caused by fire.

This is rank speculation and there was a feature piece following the draft that put a lie to your 'douche ' storyline.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I can't believe y'all haven't got posted to death on this subject.

I've always been one to rub against the "why don't we just wait and see what happens" responses to passionate debates where there's no knowable answer, but this is ridiculous at this point.

 

[slanidrac16]

I can't believe y'all haven't got posted to death on this subject.

I've always been one to rub against the "why don't we just wait and see what happens" responses to passionate debates where there's no knowable answer, but this is ridiculous at this point.

Lol! It won’t be over even after it’s over. Rosen and Murray will be forever tied to the hip.

 

[dscher]

I can't believe y'all haven't got posted to death on this subject.

I've always been one to rub against the "why don't we just wait and see what happens" responses to passionate debates where there's no knowable answer, but this is ridiculous at this point.

This board is the definition of insanity.. lol. But I love it.. good times! Strike while the iron is hot!

 

[Cardiac]

Lance Zierlein was just on Doug and Wolf talking about why he changed his mock to have Murray going to the Cardinals.

He said that he started hearing Murray to the Cards in January.

An interesting thing he said: he said that he thinks Murray projects to being a good NFL QB. He doesnt think hes going to be great, but being a good starter is not a bad thing.

When he talked about his grade on Rosen he said he thought that Murray is better because of his leadership ability. He has spoken with someone on last years staff and the coach didnt believe in Rosen as a leader of a football team.

I for one don't give a flying F.... about what any coach on the team thinks about anything. Bunch of ******** losers.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I can't believe y'all haven't got posted to death on this subject.

I've always been one to rub against the "why don't we just wait and see what happens" responses to passionate debates where there's no knowable answer, but this is ridiculous at this point.

I'm having fun. That's all that matters.

I'm 80% trolling 20% serious.