Kobe is a bad man

[D-Dogg]

Well, Donald is very confident that he'd just get a slap on the wrist, so it shouldn't be a problem for him. Just curious if that is true.

Uhm, I clearly said IF I were top three. Which I'm not.

And your clever little strawman doesn't prove anything - a top three executive wouldn't be making recorded statements like that because they aren't stupid enough to do it on camera. If they did do it, they'd apologize, do some PR and it would blow over. But unlike the NBA, most companies front men don't do their job in the public eye with cameras on them, otherwise you'd have huge numbers of execs making apologies for their gaffes. See Congress, The.

So, if I were a top three and face of a company, I'd tell you to learn how the PR game is played if you want to get into my chair.

Nice try, though.

 

[Rivercard]

You are now my favorite poster.

Nice try, though.

An A for effort! Thank you for playing. Please come again.

 

[D-Dogg]

An A for effort! Thank you for playing. Please come again.

Are you claiming victory with your strawman on the ground all disheveled?

 

[Mulli]

Are you claiming victory with your strawman on the ground all disheveled?

That scarecrow needed a brain and a heart. Hey-o!

We must not enable RC.

 

[Rivercard]

Are you claiming victory with your strawman on the ground all disheveled?

Victory isn't a word I'd use. Though your reluctance to follow through on the challenge is predictable (and smart). Sometimes it's better not to practice what you preach.

Do you think the $100,000 penalty was too harsh, too lenient, or just right?

 

[Rivercard]

That scarecrow needed a brain and a heart. Hey-o!

We must not enable RC.

I didn't invent the scarecrow - Donald is the one who brought his workplace into the discussion. I was just following through on his post.

 

[Mulli]

I didn't invent the scarecrow - Donald is the one who brought his workplace into the discussion. I was just following through on his post.

You mischaracterized the "ifs" in Donald's post. He is clearly too dopey to be top three.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Interesting. Where do you work Donald? You are a smart guy, so you may just be 1 of the 3 best employees at your company. So I challenge you to test your theory on yourself (or if you don't think you are worthy of top 3 consideration, ask a top 3 employee to do this for you)!! Sometime this week at work, while you are in a very public place and where your boss can hear you, yell at one of your co-workers and call him/her a "******" to their face. Let's see what happens!

Will you accept the challenge?

do it donald! this would just be awesome.

 

[Rivercard]

You mischaracterized the "ifs" in Donald's post. He is clearly too dopey to be top three.

hey-yo!!!!!!

 

[Southpaw]

You mischaracterized the "ifs" in Donald's post. He is clearly too dopey to be top three.

Double standard? Super star, gets a pass? My money says Kobe doesn't know about a bundle of sticks, just faggots, so I would suggest we don't believe his, "we don't understand what he meant" Onto the playoffs and Kobe will be anointed again.

 

[Mulli]

Interesting. Where do you work Donald? You are a smart guy, so you may just be 1 of the 3 best employees at your company. So I challenge you to test your theory on yourself (or if you don't think you are worthy of top 3 consideration, ask a top 3 employee to do this for you)!! Sometime this week at work, while you are in a very public place and where your boss can hear you, yell at one of your co-workers and call him/her a "******" to their face. Let's see what happens!

Will you accept the challenge?

I am almost certain that if I had done this at the first law firm I worked at I would most likely have been praised for calling a certain attorney a "flippin bundle of sticks"

 

[Mulli]

Double standard? Super star, gets a pass? My money says Kobe doesn't know about a bundle of sticks, just faggots, so I would suggest we don't believe his, "we don't understand what he meant" Onto the playoffs and Kobe will be anointed again.

Of course it is a double standard. A security guard at Staples (or Luke Walton, if his dad wasn't Bill) would have been canned, most likely.

Black Mamba, yeah sure, the Lakers are going to hold this against him. Yeah, right.

 

[D-Dogg]

Victory isn't a word I'd use. Though your reluctance to follow through on the challenge is predictable (and smart). Sometimes it's better not to practice what you preach.

I don't play with strawmen. I also find it hard to believe that you've not heard of executives of companies apologizing for things they say and trotting out tired PR platitudes because they offended someone. It's pretty common.

Do you think the $100,000 penalty was too harsh, too lenient, or just right?

I think it was hypocritical and inconsistent. Compared to the $5K that AI got for saying it to a fan, and the $0 that Kmart and KG got, it's incredibly excessive. Compared to Kobe's pocketbook, it's nothing.

 

[D-Dogg]

You mischaracterized the "ifs" in Donald's post. He is clearly too dopey to be top three.

 

[Mulli]

No offense, friend.

 

[D-Dogg]

Double standard? Super star, gets a pass?

DUH! Superstar, executive, congressman, movie star, etc. Maybe you did just land on earth this month.

My money says Kobe doesn't know about a bundle of sticks, just faggots, so I would suggest we don't believe his, "we don't understand what he meant"

I would suggest you take a lesson in context and alternative meanings and connotations of the word. Or just read the posts where I spell it out in plain English for you.

Onto the playoffs and Kobe will be anointed again

Now, finally you get something right.

 

[Rivercard]

I don't play with strawmen.

Dude, what's with the strawmen? You are the one who invented the "top 3 theory" - not me.

 

[D-Dogg]

Dude, what's with the strawmen? You are the one who invented the "top 3 theory" - not me.

You are the one who twisted it into some challenge that was entirely irrelevant to my analogy in point, purpose and scope.

The very definition of a strawman.


And my top 3 response was in direct response to your initial strawman of "yeah, lets see any of you do it to your co-workers and you'll get fired" opening gambit.

My top 3 response was an attempt to remind you that this isn't some random employee in a company, and rather one of the best employees EVER at that company and a bonafide face of the NBA. Which somehow you stuffed back up with straw and concocted some awesome scenario where I too wield that kind of power at the office and should thus act like a bonehead like Kobe did.

 

[Rivercard]

I would suggest you take a lesson in context and alternative meanings and connotations of the word. Or just read the posts where I spell it out in plain English for you.

What?? The day you take the challenge and get away with it is the day that you can give Wally a lesson on context and alternative meanings. By wussing out on the challenge you have admitted that the meaning and connotation of the word is just as he says - offensive. And that is no strawman my friend.

 

[D-Dogg]

What?? The day you take the challenge and get away with it is the day that you can give Wally a lesson on context and alternative meanings. By wussing out on the challenge you have admitted that the meaning and connotation of the word is just as he says - offensive. And that is no strawman my friend.

Strawman. See my post directly above yours.

 

[Mulli]

What?? The day you take the challenge and get away with it is the day that you can give Wally a lesson on context and alternative meanings. By wussing out on the challenge you have admitted that the meaning and connotation of the word is just as he says - offensive. And that is no strawman my friend.

The challenge was if Donald was top three right?

 

[Rivercard]

You are the one who twisted it into some challenge that was entirely irrelevant to my analogy in point, purpose and scope.

The very definition of a strawman.

The challenge is not irrelevant at all, though it's clearly inconvenient for your argument. You said a top 3 employee at your "company" would get a wrist slap. So the challenge was set under your terms - we're merely trying to see if that would be true.

 

[Rivercard]

The challenge was if Donald was top three right?

Yes. Or if he felt he's not up to that standard, then he would ask a top 3'er to take the bullet for him.

 

[D-Dogg]

you have admitted that the meaning and connotation of the word is just as he says - offensive.

See, you also aren't understanding my point. I have not said the word isn't offensive, it CLEARLY is. However, wally feels that simply using the word means you are homophobic, and you think gay people are less than human, despicable creatures (closely paraphrased).

My point is that the word doesn't hold that same connotation for many people, who simply use it as a form of jerkface ***** (offensive as it is to a certain group of people). Still not right, still shouldn't be used, but also is not meant in the way it would be if said to a gay kid in the halls of a high school.

Now, if the ref in question were gay, I would have an entirely different perspective on the matter. But, given the CONTEXT of the situation, Kobe was using an offensive word in a way that does not necessarily imply he is a homophobe.

 

[D-Dogg]

The challenge is not irrelevant at all, though it's clearly inconvenient for your argument. You said a top 3 employee at your "company" would get a wrist slap. So the challenge was set under your terms - we're merely trying to see if that would be true.

Yes. Or if he felt he's not up to that standard, then he would ask a top 3'er to take the bullet for him.

I clearly answered your idiotic strawman "challenge." When you find out what a strawman is, you can kindly get back to arguing salient points.

I also find it hard to believe that you've not heard of executives of companies apologizing for things they say and trotting out tired PR platitudes because they offended someone. It's pretty common.

There's your top 3 in a nutshell. Superstars of their sport, trade, industry, government, etc, get a slap on the wrist for their lunacy and most often a PR spin and an apology are the only thing it amounts to.