Kobe strikes again

[Folster]

Last night against the Timberwolves Kobe delivered another elbow on his release similar to the one given to Ginobli, only this time Marko Jaric was the recipient. Also the ref was on top of it and called it an offensive foul. Looks like the league made the right call on the earlier suspension. On "1st and 10" Skip Bayless said that Kobe should get 5 games for it. It's clear two times is no accident.

No footage yet on YouTube. Whoever finds it, please post it. You guys are going to trip because it is exactly the same.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Last night against the Timberwolves Kobe delivered another elbow on his release similar to the one given to Ginobli, only this time Marko Jaric was the recipient. Also the ref was on top of it and called it an offensive foul. Looks like the league made the right call on the earlier suspension. On "1st and 10" Skip Bayless said that Kobe should get 5 games for it. It's clear two times is no accident.

No footage yet on YouTube. Whoever finds it, please post it. You guys are going to trip because it is exactly the same.

The problem with this is, that offensive players look to generate contact after the ball is released by flailing their arms/legs etc. I have not seen the footage.

Skip Bayless is an idiot though. I would take EVERYTHING he says with a grain of salt.

 

[Folster]

For what it's worth, Bayless's counterpart thought that Kobe should get two or three games.

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2790534

There's a story with the video evidence. I think he'll get two games, considering he did this before.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

0-1. He is doing no different than Reggie Miller did throughout his entire career. This one was far less "intentional" and it looks like there was even contact by Jaric.

 

[sunsfn]

0-1. He is doing no different than Reggie Miller did throughout his entire career. This one was far less "intentional" and it looks like there was even contact by Jaric.

Reggie Miller??? Baloney!!


He did it "intentional"!

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Reggie Miller??? Baloney!!


He did it "intentional"!

Huh?

I am not quite sure where you are going with this, but Reggie Miller all but wrote the book on getting fouled after a long jumpshot by flailing your body in all different directions to cause body contact.

 

[Covert Rain]

Huh?

I am not quite sure where you are going with this, but Reggie Miller all but wrote the book on getting fouled after a long jumpshot by flailing your body in all different directions to cause body contact.

Yeah but when Reggie did it, he did it by jumping into the other guy. Most of his he used his body to jump into the other guy as he was going up. If Kobe threw an elbow again (I have not seen it) then Kobe needs to take some lessons from Reggie. A player will never be suspended for throwing his body into another player when going up for a shot.

At first when I read this thread I was thinking -----> (hotel again?!).

 

[Skumbag]

how was that NOT intentional?!?!?!

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Yeah but when Reggie did it, he did it by jumping into the other guy. Most of his he used his body to jump into the other guy as he was going up. If Kobe threw an elbow again (I have not seen it) then Kobe needs to take some lessons from Reggie.

A player will never be suspended for throwing his body into another player when going up for a shot.

Not true, Reggie also extended his arms to create contact, kick is feet out so that he would fall after making contact etc.

 

[Covert Rain]

Not true, Reggie also extended his arms to create contact, kick is feet out so that he would fall after making contact etc.

I didn't say he never did but most of his were he would jump into the player as the player was coming down toward him. I also never remember an instance as bad as these 2 with Kobe. Not comparible IMO.

 

[TucsonDevil]

Well, with the pending suspension, there goes the opportunity to stop the Dallas win streak on Sunday. I thought that maybe Kobe would get the Lakers the win on national TV... not while he is suspended.

And for the record, that was very intentional.

 

[D-Dogg]

Shouldn't have got a suspension for the first one, damn sure better not for that one. Saw it live, no big deal. Kobe always flails out trying to get a foul call...does it all the time. Isn't intentional at all, and Skip Bayless is a clueless moron no matter what he is blabbering on about.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Shouldn't have got a suspension for the first one, damn sure better not for that one. Saw it live, no big deal. Kobe always flails out trying to get a foul call...does it all the time. Isn't intentional at all, and Skip Bayless is a clueless moron no matter what he is blabbering on about.

I have the same take. As soon as the league stops rewarding players by trying to draw contact after the fact, you will see this less and less.

I didn't think that he should have been suspended last time, but because he was, he will probably get suspended again.

 

[Ryanwb]

Kobe is reaching thug status

 

[mribnik]

Reggie didn't retire that long about, but the league isn't the same as it was then.

Also, it doesn't really matter. Kobe is stupid for doing the same thing after getting a suspension for it the last time. It doesn't matter if he feels that action doesn't warrant a suspension, the league has said it does and he was stupid for not listening.

Oh, and the reasoning some gave for him not deserving a suspension last time is that it was clearly "not intentional." I'm pretty sure this second offense proves otherwise. Again, if you believe that particular type of play doesn't warrant a suspension that's fine, but the league has said in the past that it does and Kobe did it again, so he deserves to be suspended for it. I wouldn't be surprised if Kobe got 2 games for this because he didn't learn from the last one-game suspension.

 

[Covert Rain]

Shouldn't have got a suspension for the first one, damn sure better not for that one. Saw it live, no big deal. Kobe always flails out trying to get a foul call...does it all the time. Isn't intentional at all, and Skip Bayless is a clueless moron no matter what he is blabbering on about.

Did you actually write this with a straight face?

 

[D-Dogg]

Did you actually write this with a straight face?

If it was anyone else in the league I'd say the same thing. Even a Celtic.

The guy always flails like that (especially does it in the paint when he's driving for layups and gets contact...it's a ploy to get a foul call). Not saying I like that he flails and tries to get a call, but that's what he is doing, not trying to hit someone intentionally.

 

[mribnik]

Shouldn't have got a suspension for the first one, damn sure better not for that one. Saw it live, no big deal. Kobe always flails out trying to get a foul call...does it all the time. Isn't intentional at all, and Skip Bayless is a clueless moron no matter what he is blabbering on about.

What isn't intentional exactly? It's not intentional that he flails, or he's not intentionally trying to hurt someone? I have no idea how you can argue the first point (especially considering a second offense), and the second point is irrelevant.

 

[Covert Rain]

If it was anyone else in the league I'd say the same thing. Even a Celtic.

The guy always flails like that (especially does it in the paint when he's driving for layups and gets contact...it's a ploy to get a foul call). Not saying I like that he flails and tries to get a call, but that's what he is doing, not trying to hit someone intentionally.

Wow. I think he was intentionally trying to create contact both times I agree. However, I am not against him getting suspended for both of these either. After all Kobe has a habit of flailing "limbs" of his around where they shouldn't be.

 

[msdundee]

It's not like this is something new. There were other incidents last year, then the Bell/Bryant thing in the playoffs drew a lot of attention from everybody, including the league. Add to that the fact that Kobe split LB's lip with an elbow in the very next game while Raja was suspended. This year he smacked Manu and caused enough damage that it could hardly be ignored even with no foul called.

When it happens over and over again, they have no choice but to look at it. This one looks pretty much the same as the last time, plus they called the OF. I hope they decide to be consistent.

 

[TucsonDevil]

The guy always flails like that...not trying to hit someone intentionally.

If I 'always' liked to shoot a gun in public places, would I be at fault if someone got hit by the bullet?

 

[elindholm]

If I 'always' liked to shoot a gun in public places, would I be at fault if someone got hit by the bullet?

Not if you were shooting the gun in order to get the attention of NBA referees.

 

[Covert Rain]

Not if you were shooting the gun in order to get the attention of NBA referees.

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

Shouldn't have got a suspension for the first one, damn sure better not for that one. Saw it live, no big deal. Kobe always flails out trying to get a foul call...does it all the time. Isn't intentional at all, and Skip Bayless is a clueless moron no matter what he is blabbering on about.

That's like saying that although he intentionally drove drunk, he didn't intend to hit anybody. It's kind of obvious that when you swing your elbows around when you're near somebody there's a good chance you're going to hit them in the face. It shouldn't matter whether or not there was any malice involved (though that remains to be seen), but he practially punched him none-the-less.

But hey, at least he's assaulting men this time.