Kolb Deal done - Including Contract

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I am no fan of DRC, but, I have to admit that I would've preferred this option...
Still, if Korn proves to be a solid QB, I can get right with this move as well... ;)

I'm no fan of the neckbeard.

Kolb is a much riskier play, but with the potential of a long term solution at the position. As much as I dislike the odds game on it, it's a worthy gamble.

It will be the defining move of Whis, however. He'll either hang his hat on it or be hung from it.
 

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You mean when he'd been with the Packers for 3 years, had started 7 games that season and had a QB rating of 99?

He wasn't an unproven back up.

Save the cowboys game where Kolb played with bench guys, he started six games with a QB rating of 100. He was 3 time NFC player of the week..multiple 300 yard games...

You were saying?
 

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You mean when he'd been with the Packers for 3 years, had started 7 games that season and had a QB rating of 99?

He wasn't an unproven back up.

He got that contract in October of 08. He was easilly as unproven as Kolb.

They were in totally similar situations. You're just using Rodgers (who turned out to be HOF caliber) to make it seem worse than it is and you know it.
 
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Says who?

Go after Luck or Jones next year.

Says anyone who actually covers the team and knows the kind of guy Fitz is. Dude wants to win, go to playoffs, and make the hall of fame. He doesnt do that with no QB this year and a rookie next year, he will not waste two years to reach his goals.
 

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I'm no fan of the neckbeard.

Kolb is a much riskier play, but with the potential of a long term solution at the position. As much as I dislike the odds game on it, it's a worthy gamble.

It will be the defining move of Whis, however. He'll either hang his hat on it or be hung from it.

Agreed! Ballsy play by Whis... I like his moxy! ;)
 

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Well, let's see if the Cards spread out the cap hit on the bonus evenly. I'm guessing we will shove almost all of his bonus into this year, crippling our ability to do a lot more in free agency.

I don't think it works that way. I'm pretty sure you can only shove salary into certain years and the signing bonus is automatically spread evenly and it has already been stated that his 2011 salary is unchanged.
 

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Got schooled based on what, at this point in time no one knows anything we could get schooled we could end up getting a great QB for the next ten years so unless Nostradums has joined this forum its all a guess. Lets see how this and next season play out if Fitz stays and we make the playoffs in any of the next few years it was a great trade if not it was a bad trade. Now you can either like the trade or hate the trade but you have no idea how the trade is going to play out. And remember DRC is going to want a new phat contact real soon!

I think this was a real driver in the trade. I'm thinking the Cardinals thought it would be better to trade him than let him walk.
 

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If it is a trade, why can't Kolb be on the practice field once the trade is consummated. Why does he have to wait till Aug. 4? His old contract should be in effect until the new league year starts no? Same with DRC? He should be able to practice with Philly immediately IMO.

Or is it something about injury liability?
 

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Take a breath everyone. Only time will tell if it was a good or bad deal. Best thing about the deal, imo, was that our FO targeted Kolb, and made the deal happen.
 

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Meaning what exactly? my position on Kolb hasn't changed.

Meaning I did a direct quote from your post and the original had no mention of Orton as the QB in it. Therefore it would have been easy to say for a Packer's fan that had Rodgers as a QB on a Super Bowl winning team to say go for Luck next year. The Cards fan base (or at least the majority of it) does not want to see them go 1-15 or 2-14 to be the worst team in the NFL so as to garner the number 1 pick next year.
 

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Rodgers was never benched, and Rodgers was never shopped around at any time. Obviously the eagles saw something in Kolb that wasn't similar to that of an actual franchise QB. For someone with 3 career wins, its a huge price to pay.
 

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I think this was a real driver in the trade. I'm thinking the Cardinals thought it would be better to trade him than let him walk.

Backwards thinking. DRC has good trade value. They could have traded him next year.
 

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Save the cowboys game where Kolb played with bench guys, he started six games with a QB rating of 100. He was 3 time NFC player of the week..multiple 300 yard games...

You were saying?

You just pulled that number out of your ass. Kolb hasn't averaged a QB rating of 100 in his starts. Not even close.
 

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well sadly I hanged my drc jersey up in my closet along with leinart and boldin :(, i'm kind of iffy on this movie but lets hope Kolb works out and he makes fitz happy. I just hope we get a solid corner to replace drc. Man would have been fun to watch peterson and drc play atleast one game togather :(. But whatever go Kolb you better lead us to the playoffs.
 

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We play in the NFC West, if he can get us 6 wins in division. All good
 

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well sadly I hanged my drc jersey up in my closet along with leinart and boldin :(, i'm kind of iffy on this movie but lets hope Kolb works out and he makes fitz happy. I just hope we get a solid corner to replace drc. Man would have been fun to watch peterson and drc play atleast one game togather :(. But whatever go Kolb you better lead us to the playoffs.

don't buy Fitz #11 shirt please :D
 

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Agreed! Ballsy play by Whis... I like his moxy! ;)

I'm going to say it. (Though I might be suffering from brain melt from having to look at that picture of the Wicked Witch of St. Louis)....

In Whiz I Trust.

Go Cardinals!!

Now Fitz, you better catch everything that's thrown in your vicinity.
 

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Got schooled based on what, at this point in time no one knows anything we could get schooled we could end up getting a great QB for the next ten years so unless Nostradums has joined this forum its all a guess. Lets see how this and next season play out if Fitz stays and we make the playoffs in any of the next few years it was a great trade if not it was a bad trade. Now you can either like the trade or hate the trade but you have no idea how the trade is going to play out. And remember DRC is going to want a new phat contact real soon!

Based on they could have had Orton for much less or that they could have told the Eagles to stick it and either take it or leave the Cards best offer and roll the dice with Orton, Young or whomever and snagged Kolb for nothing next year when he walks away! The Eagles were shrewed and knew the Cards were desperate and exploited them. Kolb maybe great and I hope he is, and maybe DRC would want a big extension but if he plays well this year he would have deserved it. On July 28 the Cards traded a young Pro Bowl, talented CB AND a second rounder for a system QB who only started 7 games in 4+ years in the NFL. Yeah, the Cards got schooled.
 

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Cards are already getting killed out here in LA on the radio. MAX KELLERMAN was laughing statin Philly straight robbed the team.
 
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Rodgers was never benched, and Rodgers was never shopped around at any time. Obviously the eagles saw something in Kolb that wasn't similar to that of an actual franchise QB. For someone with 3 career wins, its a huge price to pay.

He didnt get benched, he got injured then Vick had a career year.
 

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Meaning I did a direct quote from your post and the original had no mention of Orton as the QB in it. Therefore it would have been easy to say for a Packer's fan that had Rodgers as a QB on a Super Bowl winning team to say go for Luck next year. The Cards fan base (or at least the majority of it) does not want to see them go 1-15 or 2-14 to be the worst team in the NFL so as to garner the number 1 pick next year.

Luck isn't the only QB in this class. Barkley and Jones are both significantly better than any of the crap that came out this year.
 

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Well we could of had it like this, so looking at it that way just allows one to forget what optimal most likely would have been (given our situation) to fool oneself that a lesser path is good enough.

Perhaps it is better, if he turns out to be a good player, but you make the deal with the info you have, and the info on Kolb leads to alot of ????

DRC
Orton (proven)
PP7
Kept 2nd rounder

Gave up
3-4th, or nil for Orton (besides contract)

An unproven Kolb could just as easily crash and burn, in which case we would have given up.

2nd rounder
Money
DRC
for a Bust

Draft picks are draft picks and always crapshoots. But trading a high future pick, a proven player, giving a huge contract, for an unknown is a completely different beast, especially when players are rarely traded for anything beyond 3-5th round compensation.

Hopefully he has a good head, which is something I don't have the knowledge of about him. I'll hope for the best, even if it doesn't change anything. But wherever we go from here, how we got there is very important. We got wherever we are going, in an un-optimal, bumbling fashion. Let's hope our margin of error in the future is more than what we gave up by being fools in this scenario. That's something we won't know for awhile.

That said, since Kolb is the guy, go Kolb, I'll be rooting for you. It ain't your fault our front office is often incompetent.
 
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