Kolb not worrying about concussions.

[Dr. Jones]

Uh, what?

It sounded good when I thunk it.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Well, like I said, I dont think Reid was ever high on Kolb, he may have been curious at one point but never saw him as a long term solution. The Kolb trade rumors had been circulating for a long time and Reid spoke of it openly more than once. Between the benching, the shopping, the one year extension I think its pretty clear that Reid saw Kolb as a trade commodity and not much else. And from what we've seen of QBs who Reid is willing to deal it meant Reid had figured out his boy stunk and did so before the rest of the league caught on.

After fooling the rest of the NFL 3 times I doubt he will find many suitors for his next "franchise QB" that he is desperately attempting to trade.

so you're sticking to the "contract was all a ploy to raise his trade value" assessment? Maybe Graves should give Bartel 15 mill, then we can get a 1st rounder for him. Hell, we should trade Stewart Bradley. We may get TWO first rounders for him.

 

[Phrazbit]

so you're sticking to the "contract was all a ploy to raise his trade value" assessment? Maybe Graves should give Bartel 15 mill, then we can get a 1st rounder for him. Hell, we should trade Stewart Bradley. We may get TWO first rounders for him.

... it was a ONE YEAR extension, ONE... I dont care what he was getting paid, if you think a player is a future cornerstone you dont give him a ONE year deal. The money in the ONE year is moot because the commitment ends there. The debate was what Reid thought of Kolb's potential, if he was a future franchise QB and every action he took in regards to Kolb screams otherwise.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

... it was a ONE YEAR extension, ONE... I dont care what he was getting paid, if you think a player is a future cornerstone you dont give him a ONE year deal. The money in the ONE year is moot because the commitment ends there. The debate was what Reid thought of Kolb's potential, if he was a future franchise QB and every action he took in regards to Kolb screams otherwise.

Your argument has been that Reid knew he didn't have anything and thought he was trade bait. $10 million IS VERY SIGNIFICANT. They didn't have to give him anything. No matter what you say, teams don't extend a guy for 10 million dollars for no reason.

I say Reid planned on him being the starter, he did use a high 2nd round pick on him, unless that was all part of the scam the rest of the NFL scheme too, but wanted to see how he performed over th course of an entire year. A one year extension is neither a condemnation or a show of confidence. It was more of a, we think you're the guy but show me, contract. Like I said, it was smart by the Eagles. Many guys have been thought to be the guy but haven't. If Vick doesn't go nuts, I venture to say Kolb would still be in Philly.

Another thing is this bogus Andy Reid fleeces the rest of the NFL idea. Teams do their own homework on players and don't really on another teams coach to make or break an opinion on any player. That whole argument, or thought, is purely ridiculous.

 

[Duckjake]

so you're sticking to the "contract was all a ploy to raise his trade value" assessment? Maybe Graves should give Bartel 15 mill, then we can get a 1st rounder for him. Hell, we should trade Stewart Bradley. We may get TWO first rounders for him.

Unfortunately Bartel would have to be named NFC Player of the Week and then get benched for the rest of the season for that to work.

 

[Phrazbit]

Your argument has been that Reid knew he didn't have anything and thought he was trade bait. $10 million IS VERY SIGNIFICANT. They didn't have to give him anything. No matter what you say, teams don't extend a guy for 10 million dollars for no reason.

I say Reid planned on him being the starter, he did use a high 2nd round pick on him, unless that was all part of the scam the rest of the NFL scheme too, but wanted to see how he performed over th course of an entire year. A one year extension is neither a condemnation or a show of confidence. It was more of a, we think you're the guy but show me, contract. Like I said, it was smart by the Eagles. Many guys have been thought to be the guy but haven't. If Vick doesn't go nuts, I venture to say Kolb would still be in Philly.

Another thing is this bogus Andy Reid fleeces the rest of the NFL idea. Teams do their own homework on players and don't really on another teams coach to make or break an opinion on any player. That whole argument, or thought, is purely ridiculous.

You cant trade a guy you dont have under contract. If Reid honestly thought Kolb was a viable option as his future, then he signs him to a long term deal. If he views Kolb as a potential trade chip and wants to keep his options open... then he does exactly what he did.

In 2010 Philly went 2-4 with Kolb under center, despite starting in only 6 games he accounted for the majority of their defeats, he regressed in his 4th year in the offense and he'd been injured. If Vick didnt go nuts Philly would be doing exactly what we should be doing... looking for a viable long term solution at QB.

And Reid is considered to be a "QB guru", he has shipped off 3 QBs for solid trade value and they each have been unmitigated disasters for their subsequent teams, its pretty easy to understand most teams understand the value of their own players better than the rest of the league does, or at least they should. I say Reid fleeces the league because its exactly what he has done.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

You cant trade a guy you dont have under contract. If Reid honestly thought Kolb was a viable option as his future, then he signs him to a long term deal. If he views Kolb as a potential trade chip and wants to keep his options open... then he does exactly what he did.

In 2010 Philly went 2-4 with Kolb under center, despite starting in only 6 games he accounted for the majority of their defeats, he regressed in his 4th year in the offense and he'd been injured. If Vick didnt go nuts Philly would be doing exactly what we should be doing... looking for a viable long term solution at QB.

And Reid is considered to be a "QB guru", he has shipped off 3 QBs for solid trade value and they each have been unmitigated disasters for their subsequent teams, its pretty easy to understand most teams understand the value of their own players better than the rest of the league does, or at least they should. I say Reid fleeces the league because its exactly what he has done.

I guess your and my definitions of fleecing are different. Reggie Brown was who they selected with the pick for Feeley. He had 1 decent year and is out of the league. DRC has been a nickel CB and we'll have to wait and see about their draft pick this year, which is another 2nd rounder that people seem to way over value. Nate Allen, first pick they used the for McNabb was promising but tore his patellar tendon. The way I look at it is they have been pretty insignifcant trades for both teams. Not quite the fleecing you make it out to be.

 

[clif]

He's not worried, because he won't remember the next one.

 

[Phrazbit]

I guess your and my definitions of fleecing are different. Reggie Brown was who they selected with the pick for Feeley. He had 1 decent year and is out of the league. DRC has been a nickel CB and we'll have to wait and see about their draft pick this year, which is another 2nd rounder that people seem to way over value. Nate Allen, first pick they used the for McNabb was promising but tore his patellar tendon. The way I look at it is they have been pretty insignifcant trades for both teams. Not quite the fleecing you make it out to be.

2nd round picks have value, good value. No one knew what was going to come out of those picks, while Andy knew exactly what he was selling when he shipped off his junk QBs. That is fleecing.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

2nd round picks have value, good value. No one knew what was going to come out of those picks, while Andy knew exactly what he was selling when he shipped off his junk QBs. That is fleecing.

there you go contradicting yourself again. How many junk QB's do you know that get $10 million extensions with their original team? I'll wait for your answer.

2nd round picks have a very high failure rate, over 50%, which is well worth taking a chance on a QB who has shown to have had some success in the league.

 

[Duckjake]

there you go contradicting yourself again. How many junk QB's do you know that get $10 million extensions with their original team? I'll wait for your answer.

2nd round picks have a very high failure rate, over 50%, which is well worth taking a chance on a QB who has shown to have had some success in the league.

Doesn't every round have a very high failure rate? I'm still waiting for an answer to why Kolb was benched for the rest of the season after winning NFC Player of the Week for a guy the Eagles shipped out the next season and thought so little of they sent him to a Division rival.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Its a one year deal, coin isnt the question, its about commitment and clearly he had none. I did not say he had no interest, but he clearly was not sold on him as the future QB when he signs him to a 1 year deal, then watches him stink up the joint. Then spends the next several months announcing to the world that he intends to ship off his boy, and we know from past experience that when Reid is shipping off a QB then Reid knows exactly what he is selling and the buyer has no clue what they are getting.

How do you "stink up the joint" and win player of the week?

So Reid gave Kolb $1OM bucks of the owner's $$$ as part of an elaborate plan to fleece some gullible team of, as it turns out, a player and a 2nd round pick. Got it!

 

[JeffGollin]

Still a lot of woulda-coulda and second guessing of the move to trade for Kolb.

From the very beginning, I thought Kolb was a system QB who, at best could be an efficient but not spectacular manager of the game and, at worst, one of a mediocre majority who'll hang around for a few years and then quietly fade into the sunset. And there might be a one-in-a-thousand possibility that he could turn into a Drew Brees or Joe Montana.

Under the right circumstances, there's nothing wrong with being a Jeff Garcia type game manager who won't make many mistakes and will get enough points for an otherwise talented team to win a majority of its games. But...

• Whether Kolb will emerge at least as good as Garcia remains to be seen.
  
  
• As does whether or not the rest of the Cardinal team (including the O-line) is good enough.
  
  
• And whether he turns out to be better than Skelton.
  
  
• And whether a good Cardinal team surrounding a Game Manager will be good enough to beat out the Niners, Hawks and Rams.

All of which is meant to say: Past QB history and comparisons won't help much to predict the future - "the future will determine the future" (as in which QB performs best and whether that's good enough).

 

[john h]

Good for him... No sense in worrying about. If it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen...

It is one thing to proclaim you are not going to worry about something and it is another to actually be able to eliminte worry from you mind. Sort of like being in combat and saying I am not going to worry about gettin shot when there are people being shot all around you. Does anyone really have control over what they think?

 

[JeffGollin]

It is one thing to proclaim you are not going to worry about something and it is another to actually be able to eliminte worry from you mind. Sort of like being in combat and saying I am not going to worry about gettin shot when there are people being shot all around you. Does anyone really have control over what they think?

Good point.

Another way to illustrate it is: "Try not to think of the color green."

 

[john h]

If Mike Kafka goes into the last year of his contract and is the presumptive starter for that season then yes, I virtually guarantee he woud get an extension in that hypothetical scenario. Might not be 10 million, depends on how much "Andy hype" he uses to inflate his value, but he will get extended.

And if Andy truly thought he had a franchise QB he would not have signed him to a one year extension.

It slays me that some of you are trying to convince yourselves otherwise... he gives the guy a ONE year deal and then proceeds to trade him. And that somehow gets interpreted as that Reid thought Kolb was a future stud.

GM's sometimes trade QBOTF by accident/poor judgement but rarely by design. I am still sort of amazed the Cards bought into all the Kolb hype. I assume they thought they actually saw a QBOTF in him. What other team was really trying hard to sign him? I think if he wins the job out of spring training it wil take about 4 games to figure out just who Kevin Kolb is? I would guess Whiz will have a short lease on him and not allow him to lose 5-6 games in a row. In any event he is subject to bein injured like any other QB and we will likely see Skelton in some games.

 

[CardLogic]

Maybe its just that Kolb makes whoever takes his place at QB better? First McNabb who one writer said had one of his best seasons in 2009, then Vick whose play surprised almost everyone, and finally Skelton who had those late game comebacks? OK I'm officially on the Kolb bandwagon.

Ha ha ha! Impeccible logic, I love it!

 

[chickenhead]

Kevin Kolb was expected to take over for McNabb for the 2010 season, through which he was under contract. The Eagles then extended him one year through the 2011 season. So basically they have a guy they think could be their long-term starter, and they now get to watch him for an entire season before they give him a long-term deal with more upfront money. And if they don't like him, they are still able to trade him--and without having to move a monster contract.

To me this sounds like...exactly where you'd want to be if you were the Eagles in that situation. Machiavellian, or just balancing some security with leaving options open? Just seems smart to me. Kolb was in their organization. You have to give big contracts to big free agents or players who are a year away from becoming big free agents. In 2010 the Eagles pushed that possibility back a year.

Then Vick played out of his mind, and the Eagles suddenly had two QBs on short term deals. They excercised a team option on Vick for 2010 and franchised him for 2011 before signing his big deal. They had to trade one of them. The Eagles got a lot for Kolb, but that doesn't make the whole thing a scheme. When it comes to the Cardinals paying too much, I think the posters who claim the Cardinals were bidding against themselves are more onto something than those who say the Eagles swindled them.

For what it's worth (and I may have said this before), someone I know whose son works for the Eagles said before the McNabb trade that people in the organization felt Kolb was the guy. Might just have been the normal backup QB Koolaid combined with McNabb having grown stale. But in any case, being optiomistic about Kolb is not a pure invention by the Cardinals.

 

[Phrazbit]

How do you "stink up the joint" and win player of the week?

So Reid gave Kolb $1OM bucks of the owner's $$$ as part of an elaborate plan to fleece some gullible team of, as it turns out, a player and a 2nd round pick. Got it!

Last I checked there was more than 1 week that Kolb played. He sucked in 2010.

Its cute how you're trying to twist one part of his contract as being hugely consequential while completely ignoring that it was a ONE year deal. Thats quite the "commitment" for a player you think he liked so much.

And the success-rate for 2nd round picks is infinitely higher than the success-rate for crappy QBs that Andy Reid has dumped off on other teams.

 

[Shane]

Last I checked there was more than 1 week that Kolb played. He sucked in 2010.

Its cute how you're trying to twist one part of his contract as being hugely consequential while completely ignoring that it was a ONE year deal. Thats quite the "commitment" for a player you think he liked so much.

And the success-rate for 2nd round picks, is infinitely higher than the success-rate for crappy QBs that Andy Reid has dumped off on other teams.

Dude we get it. We do. We ALL get it. You hate kevin Kolb. Your rooting for him to fail. etc.. etc.. etc.. You are the hating Kevin Kolb version of TheSmel.

You have 1600 posts and 1450 of them are about your hate of KK.

 

[Phrazbit]

Dude we get it. We do. We ALL get it. You hate kevin Kolb. Your rooting for him to fail. etc.. etc.. etc.. You are the hating Kevin Kolb version of TheSmel.

You have 1600 posts and 1450 of them are about your hate of KK.

Except my arguments makes sense...

I am not creating Kolb hating topics, I am answering the same blind faith BS that has been supporting Kolb since before the trade. If people want to stop hearing about Kolb then they should stop talking about him.

 

[Shane]

Except my arguments makes sense...

I am not creating Kolb hating topics, I am answering the same blind faith BS that has been supporting Kolb since before the trade. If people want to stop hearing about Kolb then they should stop talking about him.

People have their opinions you have yours. Just because its how you feel doesn't make you right. FYI. People are entitled to those opinions. You arguing with them on a consistent constant basis doesn't seem to change their minds does it?

 

[PortlandCardFan]

Guess you have to pick your poison. Kolb- more accurate but pocket awareness doesn't seem to exist. Skelton-Good pocket awareness but accuracy lacking...

 

[Phrazbit]

People have their opinions you have yours. Just because its how you feel doesn't make you right. FYI. People are entitled to those opinions. You arguing with them on a consistent constant basis doesn't seem to change their minds does it?

lol, hi pot, meet the kettle.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Last I checked there was more than 1 week that Kolb played. He sucked in 2010.

Its cute how you're trying to twist one part of his contract as being hugely consequential while completely ignoring that it was a ONE year deal. Thats quite the "commitment" for a player you think he liked so much.

And the success-rate for 2nd round picks is infinitely higher than the success-rate for crappy QBs that Andy Reid has dumped off on other teams.

Something tells me, that you can easily imagine the conversation between Reid and his owner where he laid out the plan to pay Kolb $10M as way of suckering in some team to trade for him down the road. Not $1M or 2 or 3 or 4 or 5... no let's make it 10!!! That should convince some team that we like him, when we really, really don't.

Brilliant!